Reservist fighting his fifth deployment...

**50cal** · 07-08-2007, 06:10 PM

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Reservist fighting his fifth war call-up

After serving in Afghanistan and three times in Iraq, an Army Reserve sergeant from Port St. Lucie recoiled at still another deployment.

BY AMY DRISCOLL

adriscoll@MiamiHerald.com

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Erik Botta is an Army Reservist who has done four combat tours in Iraq and Afghanistan. He is now being called for a fifth tour.

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PORT ST. LUCIE --
Erik Botta believes he's done right by his country.

Days after 9/11, as a young Army reservist, he volunteered to go to war. He was soon in Afghanistan.
The next year, he was sent out again, this time to Iraq, part of a Special Operations team.
In the next two years, he was sent to Iraq again. And again.
He thought he was done. But now, the Army wants Sgt. Botta one more time.
The 26-year-old Port St. Lucie man has been ordered to report to Fort Jackson, S.C., on July 15 for his fifth deployment. And that has compelled Botta, a first-generation American who counts himself a quiet patriot, to do something he never thought he'd do: sue the Army.
''I'm proud of my service,'' he said. ``I never wanted it to end like this.''
Nearly seven years into his eight-year commitment to the reserves, the personal costs are higher for Botta. He could lose his home. His job at Sikorsky, working on the Black Hawk military helicopter, could be on the line. He's halfway to his electrical engineering degree, planning a career in defense work, but his professors say he'll suffer a significant setback if he is deployed. He doesn't mention the danger another deployment would bring, but his wife and parents do.
''I'm proud of being in the Army,'' he said. ``They taught me responsibility. They taught me maturity. And they gave me a good toolbox of technical skills to work with. I think I'd be more valuable to my country at this point by being here, getting my degree and working at Sikorsky.''
In a lawsuit he expects to file this week in federal court in Florida, Botta says he will ask for an exemption or delay so that he can complete his engineering studies. He will also ask the court to prevent the Army from requiring him to report for duty until the legal questions are settled.
His attorney, Mark Waple -- a West Point graduate and former military judge advocate who practices in Fayetteville, N.C. -- says Botta's case shows that the Army is inconsistent in its decisions when selecting reservists for involuntary mobilization, over and over.
''This is an arbitrary decision by the Army Human Resources Command with no rational basis,'' Waple said.
THE CONSEQUENCES
Deployment now would mean that he could no longer afford his house -- his wife would probably have to move in with her parents. Plans to start a family would be on hold. He would probably have to repeat some engineering courses after his return, and he might even lose the job he just landed about a month ago. Previously, he worked at Pratt & Whitney in the Joint Strike Fighter and Raptor engine programs.
''This is no peace protester,'' Waple said. ``I wouldn't have touched this case with a 10-foot pole if it was. He's put the boots on and been in combat.''
Although Botta knew there was a risk that he would be called to duty again, he assumed that it was very slight, given his four combat deployments, pursuit of an engineering degree and employment with military contractors, he said.
''The world pretty much stopped when I got the notice,'' said Botta, weighing each word. ``I've sacrificed a lot for the military. I didn't want to end with litigation, but I feel I've done my service to my country. I've done what I signed up for in more ways than one.''
The Army doesn't agree. It turned down one appeal, with another pending but unofficially denied. Last year, it granted Botta a 287-day delay, pushing his deployment date to this month, after an inquiry by U.S. Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Fla.
''This is something we're starting to see more of,'' Bryan Gulley, Nelson's spokesman, said about repeat deployments. ``It's one of the reasons Nelson has been saying we have to stop relying so heavily on the [National] Guard and the Reserve.''
Army spokeswoman Maj. Cheryl Phillips issued a statement Friday regarding Botta's case, saying in part that the Army evaluates ``each request independently to determine if the mobilization will cause undue hardship for the soldier or the family. We appreciate the sacrifice our citizen soldiers and their families make when called to active duty.''
The Army has granted 87 percent of delays requested by soldiers -- most are 90 days or less -- and 54 percent of exemptions, the statement said. It did not comment on Botta's case, but the Army said in a letter sent to him regarding one of his appeals that he did not ``meet the requirements for a hardship exemption/discharge.''
Botta joined the reserves in 2000 and asked to be activated in 2001 -- ''I felt like I had to do something'' after 9/11, he said -- and his tours of duty have lasted up to eight months. He left active duty at the end of 2004.
Under his current reporting date, he might not even complete the semester; classes end in August.
Attorney Waple says the Army has granted an exemption in at least one similar case, in 2005. A 24-year-old North Carolina enlisted Army reservist with two combat tours under his belt -- in Iraq and Kosovo -- was involuntarily mobilized while attending community college in Raleigh, pursuing a degree in chemical engineering.
He had completed five of his eight years in the service, Waple said. The man's first appeal was denied, but after Waple filed a second appeal, he was given an exemption and honorably discharged, Waple said.
Botta's case may be even stronger. He has completed more years of service and more combat tours, has a job in the defense industry while pursuing his engineering degree, and was granted a 287-day delay already, Waple noted.
Botta has tried hard to avoid a suit, Waple said, filing every appeal available within the Army's justice system. Botta and his wife have sent letters to everyone from Sen. Nelson to the White House. His professors and employers have sent letters, too, on his behalf.
''It's an awkward thing for any serviceman,'' Waple said. ``He has a very strong sense of responsibility and duty to serve.''
In his own letters to the Army, Botta notes that he is attending school on the GI Bill, maintaining a 3.9 grade-point average, and is grateful that he can use his Army skills in his work with military contractors.
''If I was to go back to the Army at this juncture in my life, I could very well lose my house and be in considerable debt for years to come,'' Botta wrote. ``I am proud of the fact that I can still continue to serve my country with the knowledge that I have acquired from the U.S. Army.''
The Army's response during the appeals, Botta said, has been ``minimal communication.''
Carlos Botta, his father, a naturalized U.S. citizen from Argentina, said he applauded his son's military service -- until now. ``He served in Afghanistan. He served three times in Iraq. The odds are getting slimmer and slimmer for him. He might get hurt. Don't you think he has served the country enough already?''
WIFE'S CONCERNS
Botta's wife, Jennifer, who married him between Iraq stints, said she can't face the idea of his returning to combat. Losing their house, painful as that would be, is the least of her worries.
''He's been over there four times. There's only so many times you can go over without something happening . . . .'' Her voice trailed off.
During his deployments, she said, she would watch television news reports about bombings and then count the hours until he called. ''My cellphone was in my hand 24 hours a day,'' she said. ``I never let it go.''
For Erik Botta, who keeps his hair military-short, the last few months have played out as a struggle between his battle-hardened loyalty to the Army and an abiding sense of what's right.
''We were in a wartime situation,'' he said. ``I did what they asked me to do. I went over and did it. And then when I was leaving, they told me I could leave. They told me to get on with my life, and I did. Now it seems they've changed their mind.''
But he doesn't regret his service -- at all. ``I'm proud to be in the Army, and I'm proud -- cheesy as it might sound -- I'm proud to be an American.''

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What do you all think of this???....personally, I think he would be in the right but then again he also signed a contract....this is like a kick in the nuts.....I did 3 tours...1 in the 'Stan and 2 in the Rock....so I could understand what he is talking about....what do ya'll think???

**Annie Fawn** · 07-08-2007, 11:07 PM

His family came to this country for the provides. He joined the Reserves and acted to be activated for duty. He is going to college on the GI Bill. If he refuses to go when called back up, he should lose his GI Bill college and be disownerbly discharged.
He signed that contract on of his own free will, knowing he could be called back again.
I say he should go.

**Joe's Dad** · 07-08-2007, 11:11 PM

If I was on the jury, I 'd let him stay stateside.

Privateer6 · 07-08-2007, 11:26 PM

Tough, tough call. As others have pointed out, he did sign the contract and knew what he was getting into. On the other hand, he's been deployed 5 times already so he not a coward. Plus he is working in a defense industry, which during WWII created a lot of exemptions until '44 or '45.

Question, I thought you could only be deployed twice and then you are ineligible to be involuntarily recalled for X number of years.

My solution, give him another extension so that he can complete his degree AND get enough time under his belt at the new job so that the civilian job cannot terminate him, since my understanding of the law is that he doesn't have the time requirement under his belt since he is a new hire. However He would need to extend his contract by 1 year, and be drilling on the weekends during the extension.

**billyjoejimbob** · 07-09-2007, 02:02 PM

C'mon now, there are PLENTY of other people out there who DESERVE extra tours.

He did WAY more than his time for his citizenship here.

But that is AMERICA. Even the armed forces use false and deceptive advertising.

Damn shame.

Privateer6 · 07-09-2007, 02:17 PM

BillyJoeJimBob,
Who are you kidding, most of the people I know who DESERVE to go over there haven't been there once. LOL

Seriously, this is a really complicated and tough call. Also can any active or reserve folks tell me if it's true or not about the 2 deployment rule for reservists.

**Annie Fawn** · 07-12-2007, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Privateer6

BillyJoeJimBob,
Who are you kidding, most of the people I know who DESERVE to go over there haven't been there once. LOL

Seriously, this is a really complicated and tough call. Also can any active or reserve folks tell me if it's true or not about the 2 deployment rule for reservists.

I know several active revervist who have gone more than once and retired military pesonal who have been called back to duty because of the war.

**Josiah** · 07-12-2007, 01:29 PM

Damn tough call
For this individual he signed a contract cut and dried...
Unless they come up with an exemption he will be forced to go
or suffer the consquences and lose all that he has worked for!

I Know that if he were a person that had some strings he would not go...
Its the the poor and the minorities that fight our countries' wars!!! Always been that way

In my heart he should not have to go again, there are far too many others that should go when needed.

Privateer6 · 07-13-2007, 09:04 AM

Annie,
I was referring to those protesters who have interrupted funerals, vandalized recruiting offices, shot our soldiers when on leave, etc. Whatever you think about the war, you need to respect and honor those willing to put their lives on the line to defend you.

I also have several friends who have been deployed. One of whom has been to the sandbox 2 times and the 'Stan once.

**Ndnsoldierboy** · 07-19-2007, 01:51 AM

Send em back, or send em to jail....I been there four times and wanted to go back for a fifth tour but the Army sent me to work with the Natl Guard and Reserves for a period of 3 years.

He signed the papers...no one held a gun to his head...

**Ta'neeszahnii Techno** · 07-19-2007, 08:22 PM

The article doesn't really state how long the tours are: 6-months, 7 months, 12 months, or 15 months. With that said, I assume that all four tours were 6-7 months long.

My only son finished two year-long tours (Iraq and Afghanistan) within the last four years. He recently started his third tour in Afghanistan for 15 months with backing out or hesitation.

Hopefully, the best comes out for this soldier that is fighting his fifth deployment.

**Annie Fawn** · 08-19-2007, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Privateer6

Annie,
I was referring to those protesters who have interrupted funerals, vandalized recruiting offices, shot our soldiers when on leave, etc. Whatever you think about the war, you need to respect and honor those willing to put their lives on the line to defend you.

I also have several friends who have been deployed. One of whom has been to the sandbox 2 times and the 'Stan once.

I totally support our soldiers and military personal who are fighting as well as those who are their support here in the U.S.
My son-in-law served 7 years in the army the last 3 1/2 in Afgainstain 18 months and 2 years in Iraq. He went where he was ordered, it didn't matter that he wasn't given a chance to spend time stateside between his tours. He was needed, so he went. My son-in-law is a paramedic he was discharged with post tramatic stress after years of patching soldiers while dodgeing bullets, bombs ect....
No I don't have too much sympathy for a reserveist who doesn't do as he is told.

07-08-2007, 11:07 PM	#2 (permalink)
Annie Fawn PowWows.com Addicts Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Rico, Ga. Posts: 4,629	His family came to this country for the provides. He joined the Reserves and acted to be activated for duty. He is going to college on the GI Bill. If he refuses to go when called back up, he should lose his GI Bill college and be disownerbly discharged. He signed that contract on of his own free will, knowing he could be called back again. I say he should go. __________________ Courage is just fear that has said it's prayers.

07-08-2007, 11:11 PM	#3 (permalink)
Joe's Dad Shhh...I'm watching TV Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: I'm right here! Posts: 8,558	If I was on the jury, I 'd let him stay stateside. __________________ Why must I feel like that..why must I chase the cat?

07-09-2007, 02:02 PM	#5 (permalink)
billyjoejimbob Fat Singer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: white guy land Posts: 1,525	C'mon now, there are PLENTY of other people out there who DESERVE extra tours. He did WAY more than his time for his citizenship here. But that is AMERICA. Even the armed forces use false and deceptive advertising. Damn shame. __________________ There are 2 types of people in the world... Really stupid people who think they are smart and Really smart people who think they are smart.

07-12-2007, 01:29 PM	#8 (permalink)
Josiah PowWows.com Addicts Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Oklahoma City Oklahoma USA Posts: 4,347 Blog Entries: 4	Damn tough call For this individual he signed a contract cut and dried... Unless they come up with an exemption he will be forced to go or suffer the consquences and lose all that he has worked for! I Know that if he were a person that had some strings he would not go... Its the the poor and the minorities that fight our countries' wars!!! Always been that way In my heart he should not have to go again, there are far too many others that should go when needed. __________________

07-19-2007, 01:51 AM	#10 (permalink)
Ndnsoldierboy PowWows.com Addicts Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Home of the Brave Posts: 11,640	Send em back, or send em to jail....I been there four times and wanted to go back for a fifth tour but the Army sent me to work with the Natl Guard and Reserves for a period of 3 years. He signed the papers...no one held a gun to his head... __________________ R.I.P. my Bros from the 1st MAR DIV, 3rd MAR DIV, 25th I.D., 10th MTN DIV, who gave their lives in the Cold War, Marines we lost in Korea during Team Spirit '89 & Okinawa '89- bodies never recovered, Panama, 1st Gulf War, Somalia, Afghanistan, Iraq... Semper Fi...

07-08-2007, 11:26 PM	#4 (permalink)
Privateer6 Like my new toy? Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Cylon occupied North Carolina Posts: 775	Tough, tough call. As others have pointed out, he did sign the contract and knew what he was getting into. On the other hand, he's been deployed 5 times already so he not a coward. Plus he is working in a defense industry, which during WWII created a lot of exemptions until '44 or '45. Question, I thought you could only be deployed twice and then you are ineligible to be involuntarily recalled for X number of years. My solution, give him another extension so that he can complete his degree AND get enough time under his belt at the new job so that the civilian job cannot terminate him, since my understanding of the law is that he doesn't have the time requirement under his belt since he is a new hire. However He would need to extend his contract by 1 year, and be drilling on the weekends during the extension.

07-09-2007, 02:17 PM	#6 (permalink)
Privateer6 Like my new toy? Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Cylon occupied North Carolina Posts: 775	BillyJoeJimBob, Who are you kidding, most of the people I know who DESERVE to go over there haven't been there once. LOL Seriously, this is a really complicated and tough call. Also can any active or reserve folks tell me if it's true or not about the 2 deployment rule for reservists.

07-13-2007, 09:04 AM	#9 (permalink)
Privateer6 Like my new toy? Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Cylon occupied North Carolina Posts: 775	Annie, I was referring to those protesters who have interrupted funerals, vandalized recruiting offices, shot our soldiers when on leave, etc. Whatever you think about the war, you need to respect and honor those willing to put their lives on the line to defend you. I also have several friends who have been deployed. One of whom has been to the sandbox 2 times and the 'Stan once.

07-19-2007, 08:22 PM	#11 (permalink)
Ta'neeszahnii Techno PowWows.com Addicts Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Tsézhintah, AZ Posts: 7,171	The article doesn't really state how long the tours are: 6-months, 7 months, 12 months, or 15 months. With that said, I assume that all four tours were 6-7 months long. My only son finished two year-long tours (Iraq and Afghanistan) within the last four years. He recently started his third tour in Afghanistan for 15 months with backing out or hesitation. Hopefully, the best comes out for this soldier that is fighting his fifth deployment. Last edited by Ta'neeszahnii Techno; 07-19-2007 at 08:30 PM.