Peacekeeper83

This is an article by Terry Garlock, who flew cobras in 334th
Armed Helicopter Company in RVN. He was severely
injured when a surface to air missle blew off his tail rotor and
> a portion of the tail boom.
> Terry spent several years in hospital and therapy.
> The Atlanta Journal
> Constitution has an exclusive on this for 30 days,
> so it can't be published
> in a newspaper or magazine until after that; but
> he is allowing this to be
> sent to you with that understanding.
>
> "Many Vietnam Vets Will Object to Kerry"
> by Terry Garlock
> Now that Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry is
> claiming the veteran vote based
> on his war record, both sides of that story should
> be told. To appreciate the
> dark side of Sen. Kerry's war record, you should
> know a few things about
> Vietnam veterans.
> For example, having fought in an unpopular war 30
> something years ago, and
> having been awarded medals, is noteworthy. But it
> doesn't give anyone a
> pass - their record and their ideas should be
> examined on their own merit.
> And reporters make a mistake when they divide us
> into decorated veterans
> like Sen. Kerry and then all the others. We like
> to think of ourselves as
> brothers, whether we fought the enemy directly in
> combat or served in vital support roles in protected
> areas that were often exposed to attack.
> Even today, after all this time, when two
> Vietnam veterans meet one
> another for the first time they are likely to say
> "Welcome home brother!"
> because many were never welcomed home - they met
> the cold shoulder of
> an ungrateful nation on their return.
> Those of us whose job was combat feel a very
> special brotherhood. We
> learned to trust our brothers on the ground, on
> the water and in the air to do the
> right things to protect one another, even under
> fire. We came to deeply value
> the same trust they placed in us, and that mutual
> trust would form a bond
> that cannot be fully explained in words. We
> quietly feared dying in battle, but
> there was something we feared even more. We knew
> if we should panic under fire and fail to do our
> job, we might lose our brothers' trust or we might
> lose
> their lives, and this we feared more than
> anything.
> Like Sen. Kerry, I have a few medals. But among
> combat veterans, who has
> what medal doesn't make a dime's worth of
> difference between us. What
> matters is that we are, for the rest of our life,
> brothers who kept faith with one another in a
> miserable war.
> A young John Kerry, however, broke faith with his
> brothers when he returned
> to the US. With the financial aid of Jane Fonda
> he led highly visible protests
> against the war.
> He wrote a book that many considered to be
> pro-Hanoi, titled The New
> Soldier. The cover photo of his book depicted
> veterans in patchwork military
> uniforms, holding the American flag upside down
> and mocking the legendary image of Marines raising
> the American flag atop Mount Suribachi in the 1945
> battle for Iwo Jima.
> Sen. Kerry publicly supported Hanoi's position to
> use our POWs as a
> bargaining chip in negotiations for a peace
> agreement.
> Sen. Kerry played a key role in "Winter Soldier,"
> a Jane Fonda event where
> over 100 men, many of whom were later discredited,
> testified about atrocities
> committed in the Vietnam war by American soldiers.
> In 1971 Sen. Kerry
> testified before the Senate Foreign Relation
> Committee and said our soldiers
> in Vietnam were not America's best as Vice
> President Agnew had claimed,
> but that they were committing widespread rape,
> torture and murder
> of Vietnamese civilians. We who were there know
> that to be untrue. Later
> that same day Sen. Kerry threw what he said were
> his medals over a fence
> in front of the capitol building in protest, on
> camera of course, but was years
> later caught in his lie when his medals turned up
> displayed on his office wall.
> Some say Sen. Kerry's anti-war stance arose from
> his political ambitions
> since the war was so unpopular, and I cannot say I
> know his motivations. But when he ran for congress
> in 1972 maybe he thought his book and it's cover
> would be an embarrassment since it remarkably
> disappeared from store and library shelves. I would
> guess Hercule Poirot himself could not find a copy
> today. Many good and decent people other than Sen.
> Kerry opposed the
> Vietnam war. Many of us who fought it hated it,
> too, I know I did. But like Jane Fonda's infamous
> visit to Hanoi in 1972, Sen. Kerry's public actions
> encouraged our enemy at a time they were killing
> America's sons. Decades
> after the war was done, interviews with our former
> enemy's leaders confirmed that public protests in
> the US, like Sen. Kerry's, played a significant role
> in their strategy and worked against our chances of
> victory. Many of us wonder which
> of our brothers who died young would be alive
> today had people like Jane
> Fonda and Sen. Kerry objected to the war in a more
> suitable way.
> Now that it serves his ambition to be President,
> Sen. Kerry reminds the
> public of his war record daily, but the story of
> the dark side of that record is
> not being told. Many Vietnam veterans have taken
> notice, and many of us will
> vigorously oppose Sen. Kerry's election to any
> office. I will be one of them.
> ---------
> Terry L. Garlock of Peachtree City, GA was a Cobra
> helicopter pilot in
> Vietnam.

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Stirbaby

Well, did you think i could pass on this?
Here we go.


Now that Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry is claiming the veteran vote based
on his war record, both sides of that story should
be told.

{Great debate tool, say that the other guy said this or that, with no prooof. follow the news Pea Skeeper, it has never been said by Kerry or anyone associated with him.
The Bush is starting the dirty stuff early looks like, and non thinking reactionaries will us this to bash Kerry, not for any legit reason, but because to Rednecks, Democrat seems to be pro brown, red, and yellow and gay, but you cant say you hate them for that, so you grab any excuse.
No you arnt a redneck, but, as a guy who easily passes for pure white, i hear what the whites say about the people of color, and the dems, and they hate Red, black, brown, yellow, and gay.
Dumb azz people allways lead with their fears.}

you should
know a few things about
Vietnam veterans.
( And THIS guy is the one to teach me. Go to a VA hospital when you want to talk about vets. Bet you want find any of Bushs war buddies there!)



And reporters make a mistake when they divide us
into decorated veterans
like Sen. Kerry and then all the others.

( Well, did they do that/ If they say Kerry is tall, are the short guys going to start an anti Kerry movement}



> Like Sen. Kerry, I have a few medals.

{ This guy is a sleaze ball. Kerry cant have medals, but this guy can? Is anyone think this journalism is yellow?}

What
> matters is that we are, for the rest of our life,
> brothers who kept faith with one another in a
> miserable war.
{Absolute pie in the sky crap. IIf this was 10% true, the VA hospitals would be the finest in the world, not some dog pound for people waiting to die}


> A young John Kerry, however, broke faith with his
> brothers when he returned
> to the US.

{ A young Kerry really earned his medals when he came back and Fought to stop the killing. I know . i am a Vietnam Veteran Peace Actiuvist. we didnt get a parade either, but we were certainly shot at, and killed. }

With the financial aid of Jane Fonda

(This guy is a drunk republican. Does he know that Kerry never met Jane, and that Kerry had, and has, more money thean Jane would see thill Ted Turner?)

> he led highly visible protests
> against the war.

( Oh, MY, GAWD. Kerry is a leader, and a succesful one. We sure dont need a man like that!}


> He wrote a book that many considered to be
> pro-Hanoi, titled The New
> Soldier.

( And bush colored in a book.)

The cover photo of his book depicted
> veterans in patchwork military
> uniforms, holding the American flag upside down
> and mocking the legendary image of Marines raising
> the American flag atop Mount Suribachi in the 1945
> battle for Iwo Jima.

(cool book, great cover. and very true. do you think that the soldiers that followed orders at Wounded Knee are Patriots, are not to be held responsable for their war crimes. American soldiers cannot absolve their responsability for killing the vietnam Patriots because some one told them. god dont play that game homeee}


> Sen. Kerry publicly supported Hanoi's position to
> use our POWs as a
> bargaining chip in negotiations for a peace
> agreement.

(Holy szhit. Kerry supported keeping the pows alive as a way to force the americans to stop their invasion... OH my Gawd, a PEACEMAKER!}

> Sen. Kerry played a key role in "Winter Soldier,"
> a Jane Fonda event where
> over 100 men, many of whom were later discredited,
> testified about atrocities
> committed in the Vietnam war by American soldiers.

( Now this guy accuses Kerry of being honest. the nerve of Kerry.)


> In 1971 Sen. Kerry
> testified before the Senate Foreign Relation
> Committee and said our soldiers
> in Vietnam were not America's best as Vice
> President Agnew

( ( OH, you dont want to use Agnew as a charactor Reference. }
he had claimed,
> but that they were committing widespread rape,
> torture and murder
> of Vietnamese civilians.

(Well, this guy is delussional. The Vietnamese were really liking those gang bangs of their daughters, burning of their villages, and the killing of their old women. }

We who were there know
> that to be untrue.
{Whi is this WE. Republican Vets with head wounds?)

Later
> that same day Sen. Kerry threw what he said were
> his medals over a fence
> in front of the capitol building in protest, on
> camera of course, but was years
> later caught in his lie when his medals turned up
> displayed on his office wall.

{Hay, i lost my medals and got replacements, am i a liar too.}

> Some say Sen. Kerry's anti-war stance arose from
> his political ambitions
> since the war was so unpopular, and I cannot say I
> know his motivations.

(Some say this guy is a retard)

But when he ran for congress
> in 1972 maybe he thought his book and it's cover
> would be an embarrassment since it remarkably
> disappeared from store and library shelves.

( Like Bushs Military records?)

I would
> guess Hercule Poirot himself could not find a copy
> today.

( Like Bushs Military records?)

Many good and decent people other than Sen.
> Kerry opposed the
> Vietnam war.

(Yes, this guy is covering his assz)

Many of us who fought it hated it,
> too, I know I did.

But like Jane Fonda's infamous
> visit to Hanoi in 1972, Sen. Kerry's public actions
> encouraged our enemy at a time they were killing
> America's sons.

(Jane Fonda, ME, Kerry, and the Dead at Kent state, all saved American lives. It was the US Government that was killing our boys.}

Decades
> after the war was done, interviews with our former
> enemy's leaders confirmed that public protests in
> the US, like Sen. Kerry's, played a significant role
> in their strategy and worked against our chances of
> victory.

( What worked against our "Victory, in this Police action against rice farmers, was the fact that
1- By 68, EVERYONE knew we were leaving, that we were just looking for a gracefull way out. I dont think waiting 5 more years, and 24,000 more dead americans made us graceful.
2- we all knew that it was a poor boys war, and the rich played Air National Guard in Texas. Cant motivate a grunt when he knows he is dieing and killing for nuttin.
#. the cong were real fuching tuff. And, they were fighting the most powerful army in the history of the world.
It shows that might does not make right. these little men , and women, were indegenous tribes fighting off the colonialist. they thru the french otu, on their bloody azz, and they threw us out, on our even bloodier azz.
the real killers were the middle class americans that just sat by and said go team, as the war rolled over the viet and the grunts. Shame on those who waited till it was popular to be BRAVE enough to stand up for the America we love and fight the america we were becoming.
A Tyranial Imperialist Nation.
Oh, we have become that. Oh, we are sending our poor boys over to kill native people.
so, the struggle continues.

Many of us wonder which
> of our brothers who died young would be alive
> today had people like Jane
> Fonda and Sen. Kerry objected to the war in a more
> suitable way.
( This guy is a moran. This must be directly from Karl Rowves Desk top.}

Many Vietnam veterans have taken
> notice, and many of us will
> vigorously oppose Sen. Kerry's election to any
> office.
{Many Retards will suport bush...) I will be one of them.
> ---------
> Terry L. Garlock of Peachtree City, GA was a Cobra
> helicopter pilot in
> Vietnam. [/b][/quote]I am fighting a bad cold.
Been out for two days in the wind and rain.
I am sick as a dog, so give me some love when you tear me apart for this ramblin post
I love you guys.
You too Pea Skeeper, and you too Stirm!
STIR in Peas,
Qui si

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If you do not do this, or resort maliciously to delay, we warn you that, with the aid of God, we will enter your land against you with force and will make war in every place and by every means we can and are able, and we will then subject you to the yoke and authority of the church and of their Highnesses.
We will take you and your wives and children and make them slaves...
And we will take your property and will do you all the harm and evil we can..."

--The Requerimiento (read by Spanish Conquistadors to the people of the "New World" )

Stirbaby

NOTICE.
INFORMATION coming.
Friends, do a google on this Terry fellow.
He is the author of "Sisters Redeem Their Grumpy Dad"
"Melanie and Me : A Chinese Daughter Transforms Her Adoptive Dad"

Here is a link to another collumn by Terry
http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/o...02garlock.html

Terry is a hack writer of Christian books about his adopted daughters.
He exploits the inside emotions of his own children for profit. Makes sense, Terry is a Republican. they like that stuff.

Here is another quote.
"Hurley said yesterday that most anti-Kerry veterans fall into two groups: Republicans who favor President Bush, and ``extremists'' who have dogged Kerry for years over his antiwar stand and his work with McCain to normalize US-Vietnam relations and account for POWs.

The depth of animosity between Kerry's supporters and hard-line critics is nowhere clearer than on Sampley's website, which features a photo of Kerry testifying before the Senate in 1971 that has been manipulated to show a Viet Cong flag hanging in the background. Sampley called it a ``political cartoon,'' but Hurley said: ``While there are certainly vets who oppose John Kerry, a doctored photo reflects the tenor of these people.''
Check out the rest of the story.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/ar..._taking_sides/

The people who play follow the leader, often run over cliffs.
what lies did they tell the soldiers to get them to kill Native americans.
what lies did they tell you to kill Native Arabs.
The thing you need to remember when you kill, their are no excuses. you will answer to god.
And god Dont like "Patriots".

But, if get your info from me, you are a fool.
check this out.
http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/o...m_protest.html

I am fighting a bad cold.
Been out for two days in the wind and rain.
I am sick as a dog, so give me some love when you tear me apart for this ramblin post
I love you guys.
You too Pea Skeeper, and you too Stirm!
STIR in Peas,
Qui si

__________________
------------------
" We beseech and demand... that you accept the Church and the Superior Organization of the whole world and recognize the supreme Pontiff, called the Pope, and that in his name you acknowledge the King and Queen... his representatives, as the lords and superior authorities of these islands and main lands...
If you do not do this, or resort maliciously to delay, we warn you that, with the aid of God, we will enter your land against you with force and will make war in every place and by every means we can and are able, and we will then subject you to the yoke and authority of the church and of their Highnesses.
We will take you and your wives and children and make them slaves...
And we will take your property and will do you all the harm and evil we can..."

--The Requerimiento (read by Spanish Conquistadors to the people of the "New World" )

Peacekeeper83

here is a site you might find interesting....Kerry only went to the Vets against war because he lost his first election after getting out of the military.......kinda seems like a man we can truely trust....I am not saying Bush is perfect...but atleast he is being forthright with his records...something the Democrats seems to want to discredit...but yet they support a man who is only looking out for his own best interests too....sooo which is the lesser of two evils?....a man who uses three minor injuries...to leave Vietnam?...a man who admits he himself killed a woman and her baby and several South Vietnamese soldiers..in his combat action?...a man who tried to style his life after JFK...thats Kennedy...but failed short?....LOL.....stir the pot Stirbaby...you show your true colors each and everytime....New Ager attitude masked in a thin veil of liberalism...Edgar Cayce will be proud of you...LOL

http://www.usvetdsp.com/jf_kerry.htm

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We spend a lifetime worrying about if we make a difference....Marines don't have that problem.

Stirbaby

__________________
------------------
" We beseech and demand... that you accept the Church and the Superior Organization of the whole world and recognize the supreme Pontiff, called the Pope, and that in his name you acknowledge the King and Queen... his representatives, as the lords and superior authorities of these islands and main lands...
If you do not do this, or resort maliciously to delay, we warn you that, with the aid of God, we will enter your land against you with force and will make war in every place and by every means we can and are able, and we will then subject you to the yoke and authority of the church and of their Highnesses.
We will take you and your wives and children and make them slaves...
And we will take your property and will do you all the harm and evil we can..."

--The Requerimiento (read by Spanish Conquistadors to the people of the "New World" )

Stirbaby

Geez, i didnt mean to put water on this.
its a good subject to discuss.
I will keep it down on you guys, just post away.

Annie Fawn

I have yet to decide who I will vote for in the comeing election, but, I will tell you BOTH this. Vietnam Vets do NOT ALL vote for the same person or because a person is a Vet. Yes, it will get their attention, but it does not decide how they vote. You guys talk about medals, I've got some medals here too. I just don't have the brother who earned them any more because he was shot down in Nam in 1968. I will look at both men who are asking us to vote for them as President of our country as will anyone who has a ounce of common sense. There are many more important issues at this moment than who served and how someone served in the military. I will say this though if one of them got up and showed me that they would improve Vet. hospitals and would try Jane Fonda as the traitor that she is and I was convinced they would folllow through, I would campagin for them myself! I know we are at war, I have a nephew, a foster daughter, and several cousins in the war zone at this moment, I want the best person we can get who will bring them home safely AND protect our country from more unwarrented terrorist attacks. I'll NEVER forget 9/11 I had a cousin who was stationed at the Pentagon and I never want to see another family have to go through what ours did.

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Courage is just fear that has said it's prayers.

Gache

Here are 2 obvious errors in your posts stirbaby native arabs and native vietnamese. There is no such thing. Arabs are native to only saudi arabia and no other country. They conquered those countries just like whites conquered us. Vietnamese conquered vietnam from the tribal hmong and montagnard peoples just like the whites did to us.

Dont you ever put conquering peoples in the same category as us. Your white so go try to manipulate your own kind. We dont want to belong like niggers to the liberal democratic or conservative machines that dominate this country. You already enslaved one race with your nonsense. Listen up we don't belong to either party or agenda and their disgusting dishonesty and corruption.

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