Hard sole mocs tutorial - Page 2

Tibiki Kinew · 09-10-2003, 08:53 AM

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Originally posted by powwowbum49
There are some other tools and things that one will need to have to put together this style of mocs.

An awl -- the awl will be used to prepunch the holes in the sole and will also be used to punch the holes for the laces. It is best to have an awl with a thin point. I say this because a fat pointed awl will have the tendency of ripping out the holes punched in the soles, especially in thinner material like the rawhide soles.

Imitation sinew -- used to sew the upper to the sole and tongue to the upper.

Glovers needles -- a medium size (4 or 6) is my preference.

Needle nose pliers -- for pulling the glovers needle through the sole leather when sewing the soles and upper together.

scissors -- you need these for the obvious reasons

A good pen or grease pencil will be needed for marking the leather and making the patterns for the upper and sole.

exacto or utility knife -- this is optional and is for the sole leather. It can be very difficult to cut this weight leather with scissors and often using a knife is a bit easier, but if you do use this method be careful and go slow so you do not cut into the canter of the sole itself or slip and cut into YOURSELF.

*** (Also if you are going to bead your mocs then you will need all those supplies)

Don't forget a good old, old fashioned sewing awl, the needle and thread are all one unit with a good solid grip pushing handle made to fit the palm of your hand!!

wyo_rose · 09-10-2003, 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by powwowbum49

An awl -- the awl will be used to prepunch the holes in the sole and will also be used to punch the holes for the laces. It is best to have an awl with a thin point. I say this because a fat pointed awl will have the tendency of ripping out the holes punched in the soles, especially in thinner material like the rawhide soles.

Needle nose pliers -- for pulling the glovers needle through the sole leather when sewing the soles and upper together.

OMG, AWL and NEEDLE NOSE PLIERS!! Was I putting myself thru unneeded torture just using my buckskin needle and scrap of buckskin??!!??

powwowbum49 · 09-11-2003, 02:32 AM

TK

That might work well to prepunch the wholes but I would not recommend using one to sew the upper and sole together. It is just a simple whip stitch that is used to sew a pair of these mocs up correctly. If you have used this tool before and can take pic of the mocs made with it please do (a close up of the stitching if you could) cause I can see no way that you could use that thing to sew up a pair of mocs!

Rose

Come on quit pullin our leg...LOL!

WolfTears · 09-11-2003, 02:46 AM

LOL Rose I did that till mom watched me struggle long enough then she showed me the art of the awl . But not till I was half way through the second moc....:D

**Yelloweyes** · 09-14-2003, 06:54 AM

This is really great. Now I can find out why my uppers never seem to fit the sole and I end up spending time to adjust everything especially when there is beading.

Those needle nose pliers really save on the use of ones teeth.

09-14-2003, 09:29 AM

Hi All-in case anyone is interested we have various colors of deerskin for sale. It usually ranges from 3.00 to 4.00 sq. ft. We hand pick all the skins to find the thickest, heaviest and least scarred. We can also get a full saddle boar skin for about 40.00 each. The tannery we go to just started making a "realtree" type camo color boar skin. Anyway-the profits from the skins go to the Tennessee Native Veterans Society to help with some of our programs. http://home.earthlink.net/~yonausdi/index.html
John H

Men-nie you still have a little drool there...right at the corner

WolfTears · 09-14-2003, 06:34 PM

LOL John I am trying to control that .. cant seem to get a handle on it .

Blackbear · 09-14-2003, 11:30 PM

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Originally posted by Yelloweyes
This is really great. Now I can find out why my uppers never seem to fit the sole and I end up spending time to adjust everything especially when there is beading.

Those needle nose pliers really save on the use of ones teeth.

In the quilting supplies section of walmart, they sell these little yellow rubber circles... they are excellent grips for pulling the needle through your leather as well as pliers...and they don't hurt i fyou accidently drop them on your foot LOL...not to mention they cost less than 2 bucks

wyo_rose · 09-16-2003, 01:53 PM

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Originally posted by powwowbum49
TK

Rose

Come on quit pullin our leg...LOL!

Hey I kid you not! I only tried one rawhide soled mocs and that was over 10 years ago. I just used my buckskin needle and pushed it thru with a scrap of TOUGH buckskin and pulled it thru the other side with a scrap of GRIPPY buckskin. I still have the Tough piece and you can see the many, many holes punched in it.

I have an awl, but it must be a FAT awl. Until I find a skinnier one, or someone gives me one;) I'll have to stick to soft soles or latigo.

Anyway, what's the next step after getting all these specific supplies together? And do you make custom patterns or do you have tons of patterns labeled by size?:Chatter

MAROONDANCER · 09-16-2003, 06:33 PM

Wyo rose
don't worry your not alone I don't even use an awl , just glovers needles, and some scrap latigo leather. I don't use an awl for fear that i'll gouge my eye out:wounded1: it is a true art ( all in the fingers)watch out for me guys:karate: . I think I'll use an awl on this'n though

Rob

powwowbum49 · 09-17-2003, 01:31 AM

Rose

I was never able to find one small enough do to what I wanted either so I have made some out of old ice pics and also ground down ones that were too fat until they were the size I wanted. It isn't hard to do at all if you have a dremel. you just put on the cutting wheel and use the side of it instead of the edge, then once you have it the shape you want take emory cloth in around 300 grit and 450 and smooth if back out real nice.

If there is a leather working shop around you (or if you want to order from Tandy online) there is an awl that they sell that kinda flat and shaped like this <>. It does a pretty good job too.

LMAO I do have a lot of patterns around here, but I usually make custom patterns. I have had a lot of folks come to me for mocs that have different sized feet. One fella had one foot that was a 12 1/2 and the other that was a 14. I will get the instruction up on how to make a pattern yourself in a the next few days. I has been pretty hectic around here lately.

Oh yeah I use what I call a 'pusher' for getting a needle through tuff hide. All it is a strip of medium weight rawhide about 5-6" long and about 1/2"-3/4" wide. I then attach a 12" long strip of 1/2" medical tape to it, wrap the taped rawhide around my finger snugly but not tight. Once I get to the end of the rawhide I just keep wrapping the tape around the thing until I use it all. This keeps it in the right shape and usually provides me 2 layers of rawhide between my finger and the butt end of the needle, and the medical tape keeps it from slipping. My favorite tape is the stuff the sell at Dollar General in those little plastic containers.

WolfTears · 09-17-2003, 11:59 AM

off the subject line ... Black Bear I love your new Avatar I sat an watched it forever ...now thatssss sooooo cuteeeeeeeeee. AN I can tell which end is which ...lol

MAROONDANCER · 09-17-2003, 06:50 PM

MN
Red meat time!!!:devil lol

pwb49:
what's emory cloth . is it like sand paper?

WolfTears · 09-17-2003, 07:01 PM

um yep Moon that it would be ...just make sure you get the grain PWB said . Ewwwwwwwww red meat not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Blackbear · 09-17-2003, 10:44 PM

that's all I use is glover needles and either a scrap of buckskin or those grippers I told you about. But i use size 3

09-11-2003, 02:32 AM	#23 (permalink)
powwowbum49 Arena Director Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: midwest, USA Posts: 810	TK That might work well to prepunch the wholes but I would not recommend using one to sew the upper and sole together. It is just a simple whip stitch that is used to sew a pair of these mocs up correctly. If you have used this tool before and can take pic of the mocs made with it please do (a close up of the stitching if you could) cause I can see no way that you could use that thing to sew up a pair of mocs! Rose Come on quit pullin our leg...LOL! __________________ PB49 "Every child is an artist. The problem is how to remain an artist once we grow up." Pablo Picasso My comments are based on what I have been taught and my experiences over the years I have been around the circle. They should in no way be taken as gospel truths and are merely my opinions or attempts at passing on what I have learned while still learning more.

09-16-2003, 06:33 PM	#30 (permalink)
MAROONDANCER gawk where's the gun Gawk Join Date: May 2003 Location: Cardboard box on the street corner Posts: 247	Wyo rose don't worry your not alone I don't even use an awl , just glovers needles, and some scrap latigo leather. I don't use an awl for fear that i'll gouge my eye out:wounded1: it is a true art ( all in the fingers)watch out for me guys:karate: . I think I'll use an awl on this'n though Rob __________________ 'i believe I can fly' Rob Young

09-17-2003, 01:31 AM	#31 (permalink)
powwowbum49 Arena Director Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: midwest, USA Posts: 810	Rose I was never able to find one small enough do to what I wanted either so I have made some out of old ice pics and also ground down ones that were too fat until they were the size I wanted. It isn't hard to do at all if you have a dremel. you just put on the cutting wheel and use the side of it instead of the edge, then once you have it the shape you want take emory cloth in around 300 grit and 450 and smooth if back out real nice. If there is a leather working shop around you (or if you want to order from Tandy online) there is an awl that they sell that kinda flat and shaped like this <>. It does a pretty good job too. LMAO I do have a lot of patterns around here, but I usually make custom patterns. I have had a lot of folks come to me for mocs that have different sized feet. One fella had one foot that was a 12 1/2 and the other that was a 14. I will get the instruction up on how to make a pattern yourself in a the next few days. I has been pretty hectic around here lately. Oh yeah I use what I call a 'pusher' for getting a needle through tuff hide. All it is a strip of medium weight rawhide about 5-6" long and about 1/2"-3/4" wide. I then attach a 12" long strip of 1/2" medical tape to it, wrap the taped rawhide around my finger snugly but not tight. Once I get to the end of the rawhide I just keep wrapping the tape around the thing until I use it all. This keeps it in the right shape and usually provides me 2 layers of rawhide between my finger and the butt end of the needle, and the medical tape keeps it from slipping. My favorite tape is the stuff the sell at Dollar General in those little plastic containers. __________________ PB49 "Every child is an artist. The problem is how to remain an artist once we grow up." Pablo Picasso My comments are based on what I have been taught and my experiences over the years I have been around the circle. They should in no way be taken as gospel truths and are merely my opinions or attempts at passing on what I have learned while still learning more.

09-17-2003, 06:50 PM	#33 (permalink)
MAROONDANCER gawk where's the gun Gawk Join Date: May 2003 Location: Cardboard box on the street corner Posts: 247	MN Red meat time!!!:devil lol pwb49: what's emory cloth . is it like sand paper? __________________ 'i believe I can fly' Rob Young

09-11-2003, 02:46 AM	#24 (permalink)
WolfTears StrongWillowsSister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Nashville Tenn Posts: 804	LOL Rose I did that till mom watched me struggle long enough then she showed me the art of the awl . But not till I was half way through the second moc....:D

09-14-2003, 06:54 AM	#25 (permalink)
Yelloweyes PowWows.com Addicts Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Chino, Calif Posts: 1,601	This is really great. Now I can find out why my uppers never seem to fit the sole and I end up spending time to adjust everything especially when there is beading. Those needle nose pliers really save on the use of ones teeth.

09-14-2003, 09:29 AM	#26 (permalink)
John&Pam Guest Posts: n/a	Hi All-in case anyone is interested we have various colors of deerskin for sale. It usually ranges from 3.00 to 4.00 sq. ft. We hand pick all the skins to find the thickest, heaviest and least scarred. We can also get a full saddle boar skin for about 40.00 each. The tannery we go to just started making a "realtree" type camo color boar skin. Anyway-the profits from the skins go to the Tennessee Native Veterans Society to help with some of our programs. http://home.earthlink.net/~yonausdi/index.html John H Men-nie you still have a little drool there...right at the corner

09-14-2003, 06:34 PM	#27 (permalink)
WolfTears StrongWillowsSister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Nashville Tenn Posts: 804	LOL John I am trying to control that .. cant seem to get a handle on it .

09-17-2003, 11:59 AM	#32 (permalink)
WolfTears StrongWillowsSister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Nashville Tenn Posts: 804	off the subject line ... Black Bear I love your new Avatar I sat an watched it forever ...now thatssss sooooo cuteeeeeeeeee. AN I can tell which end is which ...lol

09-17-2003, 07:01 PM	#34 (permalink)
WolfTears StrongWillowsSister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Nashville Tenn Posts: 804	um yep Moon that it would be ...just make sure you get the grain PWB said . Ewwwwwwwww red meat not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

09-17-2003, 10:44 PM	#35 (permalink)
Blackbear Space Cowboy Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Alaska Posts: 9,618	that's all I use is glover needles and either a scrap of buckskin or those grippers I told you about. But i use size 3