White Head Handkerchief?

WhoMe · 07-25-2003, 11:31 AM

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As a part of stately attire worn by the man dancers, a white head handkerchief is often included.

Is this sybolic of the old turbans worn by the man dance tribes?

Is it a fashion statement that is now traditional?

Or is it simply to keep the sweat from pouring down the face?

Any idee-ers?

**billyjoejimbob** · 07-25-2003, 11:59 AM

Depends on who you ask. I have hear from one NDN that it is only for members of the NAC. Another one told me it was for sweat and a third told me it was to keep your roach strings straight.

Never heard the turban correlation. Good one.

CHEROSAGE · 07-26-2003, 02:16 AM

I think we use the white handkerchief because that is the thing I was taught to do. My Uncles, Dad, Cuz's, friends wore it. It does help keep the sweet from our eyes. It could be a STYLE thing.

I have seen this used by other Ilonshka dancers as well as my friends and family. Not all Ilonshka dancers do wear the handkerchief around thier head, though.

WhoMe · 07-29-2003, 06:19 PM

I heard it was started by a Ponca who put it on to keep the sweat out. Seeing this respected person with it on, prompted others to begin wearing it as a fashion statement.

I will get more info later. This supposedly happened in the 1940's.

"People do things for reasons ya' know. It just doesn't fall outta' the sky!"

I guess you can see that I like to get names, dates, tribes and locations. I kinda' like documentation. Can you tell?

tiBBy · 07-30-2003, 10:41 PM

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Originally posted by WhoMe

I guess you can see that I like to get names, dates, tribes and locations. I kinda' like documentation. Can you tell?

Isn't that quote kind of contradicting to your choice of NOT posting this info on YOUR OWN profile? C'mon Who Me lets see your crudentials...*L*

Seeing you are into documentation start documentating on yourself...enquiring minds wanna know...OR maybe i will sit here and wait for something to fall out of the sky..L* i dunno..haha

TiBB'itZ:

Life is a two way street, you get what you give so to speak.

WhoMe · 07-31-2003, 12:05 PM

(dear fatal attraction):

Your post has nothing to do with this thread.

But if you want my kool aid, look in your PM.

**billyjoejimbob** · 07-31-2003, 12:09 PM

uh-oh, gang talk!

tiBBy · 07-31-2003, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by WhoMe
(dear fatal attraction):

Your post has nothing to do with this thread.

But if you want my kool aid, look in your PM.

LMAO...ok....put MY foot in MY mouth...i know...but i am jus like a curious little kid following a BAG of GOODIES...is it candy...or just a bag of rocks...LMAO:Quiet

Tx_grass_dancer · 07-31-2003, 03:40 PM

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Originally posted by WhoMe
But if you want my kool aid, look in your PM.

Whome I don't think anyone here wants your kool aid.:Naughty

As for the Headband I don't know where it came from. I was taught to wear it I assume it's for keeping sweat from your eyes.

theepowwowchic49 · 07-31-2003, 04:35 PM

Kool Aid is bad for the teeth. Makes your teeth fall out in time.
Stick with water.

As for the white headkerchief; what is the deal?

Steve StopsOnTime · 08-01-2003, 12:50 AM

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As for the white headkerchief; what is the deal?

So they would have something to surrender with... :Chatter

Tx_grass_dancer · 08-01-2003, 01:00 AM

Might wanna watch it there Steve it is a warriors dance.

As for the deal. I think it's been answered. It's a decorative but practical piece. I could be wrong, but nobody has spoke up yet.

spicysouthern · 08-01-2003, 01:38 PM

the whites are so that we can show off just how dirty greezy grimy our foreheads really are

Steve StopsOnTime · 08-01-2003, 04:16 PM

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Might wanna watch it there Steve it is a warriors dance

Now, I thought it was a "gentleman's" dance?? You mean all those guys are warriors??

CHEROSAGE · 08-02-2003, 01:57 AM

We can't be a warrior and a gentleman?

I thought I was Commissioned in the Army as an Officer AND a Gentleman. I understand this is no longer the case though, thanks to Pres. Carter.

Steve StopsOnTime · 08-02-2003, 09:56 PM

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I thought I was Commissioned in the Army as an Officer AND a Gentleman

Heyyyyy are you Richard Gere?? You know Debra Winger??

UNCLE · 09-09-2003, 03:06 PM

Whoa!! and we'll be right back with more Springer!!:D lol

from what i know(which is debatable), the white handkerchief is for your sweat. just take a look around the next powwow, if its hot and muggy, you might see these handkerchiefs on. although not on everyone. I think you'll find that this accessory is simply up to the individual dancer. Most of the top dancers, do not wear one at all, muggy or winter conditions. But you'll see some dancers who will wear one all the time.

07-25-2003, 11:31 AM	#1 (permalink)
WhoMe PauWau Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Land of 370 Broken Treaties Posts: 5,560	White Head Handkerchief? _________ As a part of stately attire worn by the man dancers, a white head handkerchief is often included. Is this sybolic of the old turbans worn by the man dance tribes? Is it a fashion statement that is now traditional? Or is it simply to keep the sweat from pouring down the face? Any idee-ers?

07-26-2003, 02:16 AM	#3 (permalink)
CHEROSAGE Pow Wow Committee Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: , mo Posts: 1,342	I think we use the white handkerchief because that is the thing I was taught to do. My Uncles, Dad, Cuz's, friends wore it. It does help keep the sweet from our eyes. It could be a STYLE thing. I have seen this used by other Ilonshka dancers as well as my friends and family. Not all Ilonshka dancers do wear the handkerchief around thier head, though. __________________ BOB

07-29-2003, 06:19 PM	#4 (permalink)
WhoMe PauWau Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Land of 370 Broken Treaties Posts: 5,560	I heard it was started by a Ponca who put it on to keep the sweat out. Seeing this respected person with it on, prompted others to begin wearing it as a fashion statement. I will get more info later. This supposedly happened in the 1940's. "People do things for reasons ya' know. It just doesn't fall outta' the sky!" I guess you can see that I like to get names, dates, tribes and locations. I kinda' like documentation. Can you tell? Last edited by WhoMe; 07-29-2003 at 06:22 PM.

07-31-2003, 04:35 PM	#10 (permalink)
theepowwowchic49 Senior Dancer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Right off 270 & Main Posts: 522	Kool Aid Kool Aid is bad for the teeth. Makes your teeth fall out in time. Stick with water. As for the white headkerchief; what is the deal? __________________ Friends dont let friends take home ugly Men. :huddle: :indian1: THE DARKER THE FLESH THEN THE DEEPER THE ROOTS :indian1:

08-02-2003, 01:57 AM	#15 (permalink)
CHEROSAGE Pow Wow Committee Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: , mo Posts: 1,342	We can't be a warrior and a gentleman? I thought I was Commissioned in the Army as an Officer AND a Gentleman. I understand this is no longer the case though, thanks to Pres. Carter. __________________ BOB

07-25-2003, 11:59 AM	#2 (permalink)
billyjoejimbob Fat Singer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: white guy land Posts: 1,526	Depends on who you ask. I have hear from one NDN that it is only for members of the NAC. Another one told me it was for sweat and a third told me it was to keep your roach strings straight. Never heard the turban correlation. Good one.

07-31-2003, 12:05 PM	#6 (permalink)
WhoMe PauWau Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Land of 370 Broken Treaties Posts: 5,560	(dear fatal attraction): Your post has nothing to do with this thread. But if you want my kool aid, look in your PM.

07-31-2003, 12:09 PM	#7 (permalink)
billyjoejimbob Fat Singer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: white guy land Posts: 1,526	uh-oh, gang talk!

08-01-2003, 01:00 AM	#12 (permalink)
Tx_grass_dancer Tiny Tot Dancer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 99	Might wanna watch it there Steve it is a warriors dance. As for the deal. I think it's been answered. It's a decorative but practical piece. I could be wrong, but nobody has spoke up yet.

08-01-2003, 01:38 PM	#13 (permalink)
spicysouthern Teen Dancer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: pow wow trail but when im real bad its county jail Posts: 335	the whites are so that we can show off just how dirty greezy grimy our foreheads really are

09-09-2003, 03:06 PM	#17 (permalink)
UNCLE I need $ Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: shmocation Posts: 53	Whoa!! and we'll be right back with more Springer!!:D lol from what i know(which is debatable), the white handkerchief is for your sweat. just take a look around the next powwow, if its hot and muggy, you might see these handkerchiefs on. although not on everyone. I think you'll find that this accessory is simply up to the individual dancer. Most of the top dancers, do not wear one at all, muggy or winter conditions. But you'll see some dancers who will wear one all the time.