Wanna Be's or could be's?

SBZ4life · 02-18-2003, 07:15 PM

What is with these "hobbiest" powwow singers? Ive been powwowing around this area...no comment...but what do YALL think? should color matter? What if these "non-natives" can really jam....I know of a few non native who can flat out jam...but what if they just cant sing...What do yall think?

paraivo · 02-18-2003, 07:50 PM

Wouldn't that decision be handled by the head singer? If some wanabe singer shows up at the drum and it is discovered that he doesn't know what he is doing or can't sing, the head singer should have his chair removed and tell him that the drum is closed. Most non-indian singers that can "jam" are already known to the singing community. It shouldn't be too hard to screen out the ones that don't belong there. Just my 2 cents worth.

BaloneySkin · 02-18-2003, 09:53 PM

What about the ndn guy who comes out to the drum and doesn't know any songs ??

paraivo · 02-18-2003, 11:56 PM

That is still the head singer's call. Hopefully, he can distinquish between the one with the calling and the gift and needing to learn, from the one who is out there for himself or for personal gain.

SBZ4life · 02-19-2003, 04:42 PM

I know that were suppose to be at the center drum and what not, but sometimes theres someone who just dont have that talent..I believe if you dont have talent or the gift to sing you never will...somethings can not be taught and singing is one of them, Especially when they can not stay in beat..arrrr...OK~
BUT~What about these drum groups that are all white boys...I was at a powwow and these guys were whiter than milk and they were tyring to sing gourd dance...I just shook my head....What about those guys?

ndn_ave · 02-20-2003, 07:24 PM

go help them out .................................AYE!

SBZ4life · 02-21-2003, 04:31 PM

I know that your not suppose to make fun of people at the drum,but Ive seen some horrific singing....maybe its just me,,,but I know its not. Any other comments..questions?

paraivo · 02-21-2003, 11:27 PM

You know if these guys are that bad, they will quit. Folks will not ask them to sing for their function, and if they are a bunch of young guys, Life will catch up with them and they will scatter. Time will take care of the issue one way or another. Let these white guys sing for the white guys. Like what was said before, help em out. Maybe they will get better or even good and your help caused it.

Dirty South · 02-25-2003, 03:41 PM

I think, in my own opinion that if a non-native who knows the ways of the natives and knows all the songs and sings them right, should have a chance to sing and maybe earn some respect. Theres this one guy by the name of DREW, in Oklahoma that sings with various drum groups and sings out in the middle a lot. Hes a good singer. He earned his way to sit down with various people. If someone can do that than I guess its all good.

Beth · 02-25-2003, 05:33 PM

He has studied for a long time. He has learned who, what, when, etc. I'm sure he is enjoying it out there.

records_all_drumz · 02-26-2003, 12:36 PM

Drew is that his name and I think I know who ya'll mean, anyway he might be the exception. But I am against non-natives singing. I won't go to no hobby fest either. Too many good NDN places to seek out.

**Kool Breeze** · 02-26-2003, 01:50 PM

Tigger... you said Drew is a really good singer FOR A NON NATIVE??? Drew Armstrong is a really good singer PERIOD. If I had to name a Native singer with skills comparable to Drew's, I would have to say Jimmy Kimble. Most guys don't even hold a candle to this guy.

BaloneySkin · 02-26-2003, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kool Breeze
Tigger... you said Drew is a really good singer FOR A NON NATIVE??? Drew Armstrong is a really good singer PERIOD. If I had to name a Native singer with skills comparable to Drew's, I would have to say Jimmy Kimble. Most guys don't even hold a candle to this guy.

Y'all goin TOO d**n far now !!!!!!

Besides....Drew needs a haircut !

park · 02-26-2003, 06:07 PM

LMAOROTF . . .

then got up only to fall down again!!!

BaloneySkin · 02-26-2003, 06:17 PM

BrownHornet · 02-26-2003, 06:29 PM

I agree, you all have gone too far. This whole singing area has become an area that uplifts certain singers and says nothing of the others. The only purpose it serves it to give some individuals and groups BIG HEADS.

Why don't we talk about all the ones that have gone before us to make this singing possible.

Sitting at the drum is not about how good your voice is, or who has the best lead, or who can sky.....yada yada yada. It's about being a servant. A servant of the dancers. Yeah I sing, I've been singing a pretty significant portion of my life. Does that make me any better than anybody...NO You know why? Because there is always somebody out there knows more than I do. There are new songs being made everyday and old ones that are being lost. I once heard someone say that if you think sitting at the drum puts you in a position of prominence, look again and you'll see a fool.

I have seen the name Jimmy Kemble on here several times. Do you think you"ll find him posting who's best on here? I'm not for sure but I bet you wont. Go talk to him, if he's not at the drum I bet you'll find him in the top of the bleachers sitting by himself. Talk about humble. While you're there ask him about all the un-written rules of the drum that are being lost. Ya know, the rules that you learn through experience of sitting with older knowledgeable singers. Ask him about getting up from the drum every 5 seconds, or throwing things over it, or acting up, or starting sings out of order, or starting too high, or hitting the drum when you're not singing, or eating, or not dressing neatly, or not singing, or any of the countless other things that seem to be commonplace at the drum these days.
Anyway, my point is, there is a lot to learn at the drum. It doesn't come overnight. I think one of the most valuable lessons is humility. I know this post wasn't about the topic but I've been wanting to say something for a while. I hope it helps.

Brown Hornet

02-18-2003, 07:15 PM	#1 (permalink)
SBZ4life ~Southernz Elite~ Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Room 112 Posts: 799	Wanna Be's or could be's? What is with these "hobbiest" powwow singers? Ive been powwowing around this area...no comment...but what do YALL think? should color matter? What if these "non-natives" can really jam....I know of a few non native who can flat out jam...but what if they just cant sing...What do yall think? __________________ :indian2: MIRROR MIRROR ON THE WALL, JEAN CLAUDE VAN DAMME IM FINE:muscles: " say what I feel, I say what I think, I say what you do not like, Yet for some reason what I say is somewhat correct" Chief Big Beef 1999

02-19-2003, 04:42 PM	#5 (permalink)
SBZ4life ~Southernz Elite~ Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Room 112 Posts: 799	I know that were suppose to be at the center drum and what not, but sometimes theres someone who just dont have that talent..I believe if you dont have talent or the gift to sing you never will...somethings can not be taught and singing is one of them, Especially when they can not stay in beat..arrrr...OK~ BUT~What about these drum groups that are all white boys...I was at a powwow and these guys were whiter than milk and they were tyring to sing gourd dance...I just shook my head....What about those guys? __________________ :indian2: MIRROR MIRROR ON THE WALL, JEAN CLAUDE VAN DAMME IM FINE:muscles: " say what I feel, I say what I think, I say what you do not like, Yet for some reason what I say is somewhat correct" Chief Big Beef 1999

02-20-2003, 07:24 PM	#6 (permalink)
ndn_ave Tiny Tot Dancer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: gods country(oklahoma) Posts: 53	go help them out .................................AYE! __________________ john arkeketa

02-21-2003, 04:31 PM	#7 (permalink)
SBZ4life ~Southernz Elite~ Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Room 112 Posts: 799	I know that your not suppose to make fun of people at the drum,but Ive seen some horrific singing....maybe its just me,,,but I know its not. Any other comments..questions? __________________ :indian2: MIRROR MIRROR ON THE WALL, JEAN CLAUDE VAN DAMME IM FINE:muscles: " say what I feel, I say what I think, I say what you do not like, Yet for some reason what I say is somewhat correct" Chief Big Beef 1999

02-25-2003, 03:41 PM	#9 (permalink)
Dirty South Pow Wow Visitor Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: somwhere south! Posts: 15	I think, in my own opinion that if a non-native who knows the ways of the natives and knows all the songs and sings them right, should have a chance to sing and maybe earn some respect. Theres this one guy by the name of DREW, in Oklahoma that sings with various drum groups and sings out in the middle a lot. Hes a good singer. He earned his way to sit down with various people. If someone can do that than I guess its all good. __________________ Live life one day at a time. Things happen for a reason.

02-18-2003, 07:50 PM	#2 (permalink)
paraivo Tiny Tot Dancer Join Date: May 2000 Location: north of the Red /South of the Canadian Posts: 54	Wouldn't that decision be handled by the head singer? If some wanabe singer shows up at the drum and it is discovered that he doesn't know what he is doing or can't sing, the head singer should have his chair removed and tell him that the drum is closed. Most non-indian singers that can "jam" are already known to the singing community. It shouldn't be too hard to screen out the ones that don't belong there. Just my 2 cents worth.

02-18-2003, 09:53 PM	#3 (permalink)
BaloneySkin Pow Wow Visitor Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 17	What about the ndn guy who comes out to the drum and doesn't know any songs ??

02-18-2003, 11:56 PM	#4 (permalink)
paraivo Tiny Tot Dancer Join Date: May 2000 Location: north of the Red /South of the Canadian Posts: 54	That is still the head singer's call. Hopefully, he can distinquish between the one with the calling and the gift and needing to learn, from the one who is out there for himself or for personal gain.

02-21-2003, 11:27 PM	#8 (permalink)
paraivo Tiny Tot Dancer Join Date: May 2000 Location: north of the Red /South of the Canadian Posts: 54	You know if these guys are that bad, they will quit. Folks will not ask them to sing for their function, and if they are a bunch of young guys, Life will catch up with them and they will scatter. Time will take care of the issue one way or another. Let these white guys sing for the white guys. Like what was said before, help em out. Maybe they will get better or even good and your help caused it.

02-25-2003, 05:33 PM	#10 (permalink)
Beth Beth Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: over the rainbow Posts: 199	Drew He has studied for a long time. He has learned who, what, when, etc. I'm sure he is enjoying it out there.

02-26-2003, 12:36 PM	#11 (permalink)
records_all_drumz Junior Dancer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: colorado Posts: 136	Drew is that his name and I think I know who ya'll mean, anyway he might be the exception. But I am against non-natives singing. I won't go to no hobby fest either. Too many good NDN places to seek out.

02-26-2003, 01:50 PM	#12 (permalink)
Kool Breeze WWW.CYBERREZ.COM Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,109	Tigger... you said Drew is a really good singer FOR A NON NATIVE??? Drew Armstrong is a really good singer PERIOD. If I had to name a Native singer with skills comparable to Drew's, I would have to say Jimmy Kimble. Most guys don't even hold a candle to this guy. __________________ Today I'm gonna try really hard to give a $hit about what you have to say.

02-26-2003, 06:07 PM	#14 (permalink)
park Junior Dancer Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 120	LMAOROTF . . . then got up only to fall down again!!!

02-26-2003, 06:17 PM	#15 (permalink)
BaloneySkin Pow Wow Visitor Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 17	__________________ "No Wannabes / No Crybabies"

02-26-2003, 06:29 PM	#16 (permalink)
BrownHornet Tiny Tot Dancer Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: under a rock Posts: 59	I agree, you all have gone too far. This whole singing area has become an area that uplifts certain singers and says nothing of the others. The only purpose it serves it to give some individuals and groups BIG HEADS. Why don't we talk about all the ones that have gone before us to make this singing possible. Sitting at the drum is not about how good your voice is, or who has the best lead, or who can sky.....yada yada yada. It's about being a servant. A servant of the dancers. Yeah I sing, I've been singing a pretty significant portion of my life. Does that make me any better than anybody...NO You know why? Because there is always somebody out there knows more than I do. There are new songs being made everyday and old ones that are being lost. I once heard someone say that if you think sitting at the drum puts you in a position of prominence, look again and you'll see a fool. I have seen the name Jimmy Kemble on here several times. Do you think you"ll find him posting who's best on here? I'm not for sure but I bet you wont. Go talk to him, if he's not at the drum I bet you'll find him in the top of the bleachers sitting by himself. Talk about humble. While you're there ask him about all the un-written rules of the drum that are being lost. Ya know, the rules that you learn through experience of sitting with older knowledgeable singers. Ask him about getting up from the drum every 5 seconds, or throwing things over it, or acting up, or starting sings out of order, or starting too high, or hitting the drum when you're not singing, or eating, or not dressing neatly, or not singing, or any of the countless other things that seem to be commonplace at the drum these days. Anyway, my point is, there is a lot to learn at the drum. It doesn't come overnight. I think one of the most valuable lessons is humility. I know this post wasn't about the topic but I've been wanting to say something for a while. I hope it helps. Brown Hornet Last edited by BrownHornet; 02-26-2003 at 06:42 PM.