NEW guyz vs OLD headz

suthernwaterbird · 02-08-2008, 02:35 AM

Ok...I have come across PLENTY of people that don't go to the dances anymore...because its just NOT THE SAME...Most of the younger guys, well younger as in 20's and under, man they sound good, they sky around...but I'm thinkin the problem is the tempo of the songs...man they turn gourd dance in2 a side step...could that be what people are referring to? But times are changing as they always have and always will..is this a new era of singin...I can understand the tempo being peppy at a powwow especially when a southern drum has to sing after a northern drum....gotta keep the dancers goin can't slow em down...so faster tempos are carried away....but hmmm...Gourd dance...no reason to be that fast..i hear dancers complain...but when your jammin..its hard to slow every other singer down....what you guys think?

wolfhawaii · 02-08-2008, 12:34 PM

It can be hard to maintain a tempo when guys start getting into the song and start speeding up...the beat starts galloping and the horses want to run! That's about when someone, usually not the lead singer, starts making chopping motions trying to get everyone on the same beat he is off on :) Going too fast can ruin a song and seems to be a common problem in my limited experience.

2kiowa4u · 02-08-2008, 07:18 PM

A very good point, about the tempo of Gourd Dance singing and everytime I've been to dances it does seem pretty fast even from the get go. And the skying part will eventually fade out as they get older and like everyone that started at a young age knows your vocals will start to get raspy after awhile singing weekend to weekend and sometimes during the week, too! Sometimes I'll even notice singers will sing a bawl-dah-dawgyah either second or third sessions of singing or even sain-tine-daw too! Sain-tine-daw is for brush dance and they're thinking it's a gourd dance song but how are they going to learn unless either myself or some of the older bros. or cousins or uncles will. But then again you get boys that don't want to listen and just disrespect and sing whatever comes to mind. And be all hi-gyah-hain, and down right MAW-BANE and then I'll take to the side and let you in on a few things.

suthernwaterbird · 02-08-2008, 07:26 PM

haw LMAO I know it, thats ma ndn name maw bane shhhhhhh lol That's another good point about the protocol of songs, but I guess the order is lost with the older ones, some younger guys know which songs go when like my dad, but I guess they can't teach EVERYONE...Totally right about them Mustang and Brush dance...Technically Mustang goes at the end...and Brush Dance doesn't even belong with the rest of the Gourd Dance songs. That's a totally different story....

2kiowa4u · 02-08-2008, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by suthernwaterbird

haw LMAO I know it, thats ma ndn name maw bane shhhhhhh lol That's another good point about the protocol of songs, but I guess the order is lost with the older ones, some younger guys know which songs go when like my dad, but I guess they can't teach EVERYONE...Totally right about them Mustang and Brush dance...Technically Mustang goes at the end...and Brush Dance doesn't even belong with the rest of the Gourd Dance songs. That's a totally different story....

Didn't go to Florida?

**Josiah** · 02-08-2008, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by suthernwaterbird

Ok...I have come across PLENTY of people that don't go to the dances anymore...because its just NOT THE SAME...Most of the younger guys, well younger as in 20's and under, man they sound good, they sky around...but I'm thinkin the problem is the tempo of the songs...man they turn gourd dance in2 a side step...could that be what people are referring to? But times are changing as they always have and always will..is this a new era of singin...I can understand the tempo being peppy at a powwow especially when a southern drum has to sing after a northern drum....gotta keep the dancers goin can't slow em down...so faster tempos are carried away....but hmmm...Gourd dance...no reason to be that fast..i hear dancers complain...but when your jammin..its hard to slow every other singer down....what you guys think?

We had a thread running last year about this very subject in the Gourd Thread...

When I started Gourd Dancing there were mainly old guys around that drum
Now days they are younger and younger which in itself is good because it means that the next generation has and will continue these songs

Having said that it has been noticed depending who is sitting at the drum that there is a tendancy to speed the tempo
And man I am here to tell you it does change the nature of the Gourd song and ultimately the dance.

I can not speak for Powwows outside of Oklahoma.
I am only talking about powwows in the center part of this State...

Because it matters greatly who is sitting at that Drum, and who is Head Singer whether or not he will maintain control of the Tempo.

As for Skying which is a Northern thing, It dont belong in a Gourd Song... period.

2kiowa4u · 02-08-2008, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Josiah

We had a thread running last year about this very subject in the Gourd Thread...

When I started Gourd Dancing there were mainly old guys around that drum
Now days they are younger and younger which in itself is good because it means that the next generation has and will continue these songs

Having said that it has been noticed depending who is sitting at the drum that there is a tendancy to speed the tempo
And man I am here to tell you it does change the nature of the Gourd song and ultimately the dance.

I can not speak for Powwows outside of Oklahoma.
I am only talking about powwows in the center part of this State...

Because it matters greatly who is sitting at that Drum, and who is Head Singer whether or not he will maintain control of the Tempo.

As for Skying which is a Northern thing, It dont belong in a Gourd Song... period.

Right on Josiah! when i started singing i had my dad, uncle bill kaulaity, g-pa Luscious Ahhaitty, g-pa Yale Spottedbird, say-gee Vincent Spottedbird, my mom , Aunt Barbara Monoessey, Roberta Toehay, g-ma Ruth Redbird, and of course my older bro.'s and cousins from these families mentioned and them some. But it is true when the young get involved it is better to correct them with love but when we got corrected we got CORRECTED BY THESE INDIVIDUALS!!!!! ESPECIALLY MY DAD AND UNCLE BILL. So yeah it's true who's the head singer and he sets the tempo throughout the day! So haw bay taw, let's get back to the basix.

suthernwaterbird · 02-09-2008, 12:15 AM

Gaw!!! My dad says the same thing...back to basics....

Idk...From my understanding skyin' is natural wit cominatches....Cuz if you look back at the 80's and early 90's I know my dad and then uncle Neil was THA one...skyed all day long!! However, as long as the song doesn't get carried away shoot sometimes the ones that CAN sky make it sound GOOD!

and heck naw I'm over here cryin around watchin the broadcast!!! lol

2kiowa4u · 02-09-2008, 01:26 AM

Haw, that was a good show they put on down there in Flo-da! Dern, wish i was there maybe next year. Thought i seen your saygee shaquille oneal with WBC. Tell your dad hello from his pbah-bee frum hogcreek. he'll know what i'm talking bout.

suthernwaterbird · 02-09-2008, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 2kiowa4u

Haw, that was a good show they put on down there in Flo-da! Dern, wish i was there maybe next year. Thought i seen your saygee shaquille oneal with WBC. Tell your dad hello from his pbah-bee frum hogcreek. he'll know what i'm talking bout.

haha no that wus magic johnson...and he wus singin wit bad med lol...

he said WHICH pba-bee from hog creek lol

2kiowa4u · 02-09-2008, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by suthernwaterbird

haha no that wus magic johnson...and he wus singin wit bad med lol...

he said WHICH pba-bee from hog creek lol

Tell him my swchartz is bigger than his swchartz!

suthernwaterbird · 02-10-2008, 02:01 AM

he said SHHHHHHHHHHHHH

UR azzz 2!!!!! lmao sick guys

Ivanasnagu · 03-28-2008, 06:59 PM

LMAO, you guys are crazy funny! I can't believe that Magic was trying to unseat Cleatus.

02-08-2008, 02:35 AM	#1 (permalink)
suthernwaterbird nobody Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: atl, ga Posts: 1,004	NEW guyz vs OLD headz Ok...I have come across PLENTY of people that don't go to the dances anymore...because its just NOT THE SAME...Most of the younger guys, well younger as in 20's and under, man they sound good, they sky around...but I'm thinkin the problem is the tempo of the songs...man they turn gourd dance in2 a side step...could that be what people are referring to? But times are changing as they always have and always will..is this a new era of singin...I can understand the tempo being peppy at a powwow especially when a southern drum has to sing after a northern drum....gotta keep the dancers goin can't slow em down...so faster tempos are carried away....but hmmm...Gourd dance...no reason to be that fast..i hear dancers complain...but when your jammin..its hard to slow every other singer down....what you guys think? __________________ WhY yOu AsK? bEcUz We CaN!

02-08-2008, 07:26 PM	#4 (permalink)
suthernwaterbird nobody Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: atl, ga Posts: 1,004	haw LMAO I know it, thats ma ndn name maw bane shhhhhhh lol That's another good point about the protocol of songs, but I guess the order is lost with the older ones, some younger guys know which songs go when like my dad, but I guess they can't teach EVERYONE...Totally right about them Mustang and Brush dance...Technically Mustang goes at the end...and Brush Dance doesn't even belong with the rest of the Gourd Dance songs. That's a totally different story.... __________________ WhY yOu AsK? bEcUz We CaN!

02-09-2008, 12:15 AM	#8 (permalink)
suthernwaterbird nobody Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: atl, ga Posts: 1,004	Gaw!!! My dad says the same thing...back to basics.... Idk...From my understanding skyin' is natural wit cominatches....Cuz if you look back at the 80's and early 90's I know my dad and then uncle Neil was THA one...skyed all day long!! However, as long as the song doesn't get carried away shoot sometimes the ones that CAN sky make it sound GOOD! and heck naw I'm over here cryin around watchin the broadcast!!! lol __________________ WhY yOu AsK? bEcUz We CaN!

02-10-2008, 02:01 AM	#12 (permalink)
suthernwaterbird nobody Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: atl, ga Posts: 1,004	he said SHHHHHHHHHHHHH UR azzz 2!!!!! lmao sick guys __________________ WhY yOu AsK? bEcUz We CaN!

02-08-2008, 12:34 PM	#2 (permalink)
wolfhawaii cornstalk shooter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Hawaii Posts: 60	It can be hard to maintain a tempo when guys start getting into the song and start speeding up...the beat starts galloping and the horses want to run! That's about when someone, usually not the lead singer, starts making chopping motions trying to get everyone on the same beat he is off on :) Going too fast can ruin a song and seems to be a common problem in my limited experience.

02-08-2008, 07:18 PM	#3 (permalink)
2kiowa4u Sings 4 Him Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 56	A very good point, about the tempo of Gourd Dance singing and everytime I've been to dances it does seem pretty fast even from the get go. And the skying part will eventually fade out as they get older and like everyone that started at a young age knows your vocals will start to get raspy after awhile singing weekend to weekend and sometimes during the week, too! Sometimes I'll even notice singers will sing a bawl-dah-dawgyah either second or third sessions of singing or even sain-tine-daw too! Sain-tine-daw is for brush dance and they're thinking it's a gourd dance song but how are they going to learn unless either myself or some of the older bros. or cousins or uncles will. But then again you get boys that don't want to listen and just disrespect and sing whatever comes to mind. And be all hi-gyah-hain, and down right MAW-BANE and then I'll take to the side and let you in on a few things.

02-09-2008, 01:26 AM	#9 (permalink)
2kiowa4u Sings 4 Him Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 56	Haw, that was a good show they put on down there in Flo-da! Dern, wish i was there maybe next year. Thought i seen your saygee shaquille oneal with WBC. Tell your dad hello from his pbah-bee frum hogcreek. he'll know what i'm talking bout.

03-28-2008, 06:59 PM	#13 (permalink)
Ivanasnagu Junior Dancer Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 171	LMAO, you guys are crazy funny! I can't believe that Magic was trying to unseat Cleatus.