Old Glory

hoopster girl · 09-11-2003, 06:52 AM

I've been to a pow wow a couple years ago in Westen Pennslyvania and heard this awesome flag song that went something like "Old glory flys today" and I can't find it to this day. not to mention I forgot the name of the drum. Any ideas where I might find this?

bqueton · 09-11-2003, 07:09 PM

can you hum it for us?

hoopster girl · 09-11-2003, 07:15 PM

Now if it wasn't for being over the computer I could. Most people that went to that pow wow would know it. You would hear it once and have it stuck in your head forever. ..and 2 or so years later. .I still do.
It's either find that song or an easy flag song. Or figure out how to determine what the native lyrics are in the flag songs I have.

When I ask people how they do it, they simply say "I write out the lyrics" well, easier said than done. I usually don't have a problem writing out song with vocables, but the lyrics go in one ear out the other. Can't tell what they are at all. Any help would be most appreciated.

bqueton · 09-12-2003, 06:31 AM

what tribe is it from?

hoopster girl · 09-12-2003, 06:45 AM

I don't know about Old glory. But I do think that the drum at pow wow specifically composed it, and that it was in honor for those on 9/11

But the flag songs I have are 1 Ponca and 1 Otoe.

WhoMe · 09-12-2003, 10:27 AM

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Don't think I ever heard that one hoopster girl. Are you sure that you aren't getting it mixed up with "stars and stripes" in the Kiowa language?

Some drums make up their own flag songs. The late Dennis Cowen (from Southern Medicine Drum) made a Navaho Flag Song that is sung frequently in the southwest.

I have heard other southern drums compose their own "specialty" songs as well.

This may be the case in your quest to find out about "old glory."

hoopster girl · 09-12-2003, 02:08 PM

old glory only has english lyrics and vocables.

Still anyone have any tips for learning songs that have native lyrics?

bqueton · 09-13-2003, 12:24 PM

I know EagleClaw has a veterans song with english lyrics. Never heard a flag song like that though.

WhoMe · 09-16-2003, 12:32 PM

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Straightdancerinaz:

Thanks for the points of clarification - *cracking up while hitting the keys on the keyboard.

"Dennis's songs were incorrect, his words were mismatched in both his flag song AND gourd dance compositions and his flag song is not considered THE Navaho flag song. . . but you still respected him?"

So . . .

His works and compositions were (in essence) "bunk" but he was a good guy?

suthernstyle · 09-16-2003, 01:54 PM

“ Originally posted by WhoMe
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The late Dennis Cowen (from Southern Medicine Drum) made a Navaho Flag Song that is sung frequently in the southwest.
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The late Dennis Coan composed a song about the Navajo TRIBAL FLAG...not about the US Flag!

It's also not been accepted as THE song for the Navajo Nation. I can think of at least 5 groups, all Navajo, each with their own Navajo Flag Song.

The wording in it is somewhat incorrect in terms of certain word usage, and in some instances, the words are just a bad match for what he was trying to say. The same can be said of his gourd songs.

......but, I respected the guy.

strnAZ
would you clarify what d. coan was trying to get across in his songs. i am just wondering if you tried to correct the boys from long walk des.
:devil :devil :devil :devil

WolfTears · 09-16-2003, 03:30 PM

Well said straight ... most important part ....he sang for the drum ....not for the money or fame or anyone else ..It came from his heart ..an he tried ...we are far to often ready to aim an fire on someone that is honestly trying to bring to the front an have the words heard .. So my suggestion is ...if you know a better way public voices take it to the person in private an voice it to them like two humans ...Then you will have the right to say well I tried to help but ....when you just want to say they did this or that an you didnt try to help then you are doing as much as the one you are talking about ...
An to speak ill of some one that has past over ...neva ...I am not willing to take what comes from that.
Just my 2

49singer · 09-19-2003, 12:27 AM

With respect to Mr. Coan, I'm not well versed in Navajo language, but i know from expierience, you ask ten Kiowas to translate something, and you get ten different translations. Thay are generally along the same lines and you get the key points of what is said.

bqueton · 09-19-2003, 07:32 AM

I think everyone got just a bit off subject. Maybe by a mile or so.

but anyways, Hoopstergirl, I think you guys should sing songs that belong in whatever territory your in. I just wouldn't feel right about you guys up there Sauk or Kiowa. You should stick with the songs of the territory that your in.

singingboy · 11-24-2003, 02:10 PM

hoopster girl,
"oh the stars and stripes are waving over usa ya way yaho way o waya ya ha yo oh the stars and stripes are waving over usa ya ha yaho way o way ya ha yo old glory flys to day ya ha yaho ya hey ya ho way o way ya ha yo."
This is a flag song sung by the red bird singers of Akron ohio. THeir drum elder wrote this song for them after the nine eleven incodent. Soon ofter he wrote WORRIOR SOLDIOR veteran song.

Singingboy

SBZ4life · 11-25-2003, 12:34 PM

ok ok, we all know its a bunk song, I dont know about songs with english tunes to em, heard em and hate em. Sounds kinda corny to me. Im sure that ol man had good thoughts when he "composed" that song, but....anyways.

happy thanksgiving!!!:Chatter

singingboy · 12-02-2003, 12:56 PM

I also think that indian songs with english lyrics are korny, accept at a good 49, but when you hear this song sung by these guys it is not so bad. Although I agree that a good flad song followed by a traditional vererans song is the best.

09-11-2003, 06:52 AM	#1 (permalink)
hoopster girl Hoop Dancer Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 81	Old Glory I've been to a pow wow a couple years ago in Westen Pennslyvania and heard this awesome flag song that went something like "Old glory flys today" and I can't find it to this day. not to mention I forgot the name of the drum. Any ideas where I might find this? __________________ ooo.. shiny

09-11-2003, 07:15 PM	#3 (permalink)
hoopster girl Hoop Dancer Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 81	Now if it wasn't for being over the computer I could. Most people that went to that pow wow would know it. You would hear it once and have it stuck in your head forever. ..and 2 or so years later. .I still do. It's either find that song or an easy flag song. Or figure out how to determine what the native lyrics are in the flag songs I have. When I ask people how they do it, they simply say "I write out the lyrics" well, easier said than done. I usually don't have a problem writing out song with vocables, but the lyrics go in one ear out the other. Can't tell what they are at all. Any help would be most appreciated. __________________ ooo.. shiny

09-12-2003, 06:45 AM	#5 (permalink)
hoopster girl Hoop Dancer Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 81	I don't know about Old glory. But I do think that the drum at pow wow specifically composed it, and that it was in honor for those on 9/11 But the flag songs I have are 1 Ponca and 1 Otoe. __________________ ooo.. shiny

09-12-2003, 02:08 PM	#7 (permalink)
hoopster girl Hoop Dancer Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 81	old glory only has english lyrics and vocables. Still anyone have any tips for learning songs that have native lyrics? __________________ ooo.. shiny

11-24-2003, 02:10 PM	#14 (permalink)
singingboy Pow Wow Visitor Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 19	the stars and stripes flag song hoopster girl, "oh the stars and stripes are waving over usa ya way yaho way o waya ya ha yo oh the stars and stripes are waving over usa ya ha yaho way o way ya ha yo old glory flys to day ya ha yaho ya hey ya ho way o way ya ha yo." This is a flag song sung by the red bird singers of Akron ohio. THeir drum elder wrote this song for them after the nine eleven incodent. Soon ofter he wrote WORRIOR SOLDIOR veteran song. Singingboy Last edited by singingboy; 11-24-2003 at 02:13 PM.

09-11-2003, 07:09 PM	#2 (permalink)
bqueton Tiny Tot Dancer Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 92	can you hum it for us?

09-12-2003, 06:31 AM	#4 (permalink)
bqueton Tiny Tot Dancer Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 92	what tribe is it from?

09-12-2003, 10:27 AM	#6 (permalink)
WhoMe PauWau Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Land of 370 Broken Treaties Posts: 5,442	______ Don't think I ever heard that one hoopster girl. Are you sure that you aren't getting it mixed up with "stars and stripes" in the Kiowa language? Some drums make up their own flag songs. The late Dennis Cowen (from Southern Medicine Drum) made a Navaho Flag Song that is sung frequently in the southwest. I have heard other southern drums compose their own "specialty" songs as well. This may be the case in your quest to find out about "old glory."

09-13-2003, 12:24 PM	#8 (permalink)
bqueton Tiny Tot Dancer Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 92	I know EagleClaw has a veterans song with english lyrics. Never heard a flag song like that though.

09-16-2003, 12:32 PM	#9 (permalink)
WhoMe PauWau Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Land of 370 Broken Treaties Posts: 5,442	________ Straightdancerinaz: Thanks for the points of clarification - *cracking up while hitting the keys on the keyboard. "Dennis's songs were incorrect, his words were mismatched in both his flag song AND gourd dance compositions and his flag song is not considered THE Navaho flag song. . . but you still respected him?" So . . . His works and compositions were (in essence) "bunk" but he was a good guy?

09-16-2003, 01:54 PM	#10 (permalink)
suthernstyle Tiny Tot Dancer Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 31	“ Originally posted by WhoMe ______ ... The late Dennis Cowen (from Southern Medicine Drum) made a Navaho Flag Song that is sung frequently in the southwest. ... ” The late Dennis Coan composed a song about the Navajo TRIBAL FLAG...not about the US Flag! It's also not been accepted as THE song for the Navajo Nation. I can think of at least 5 groups, all Navajo, each with their own Navajo Flag Song. The wording in it is somewhat incorrect in terms of certain word usage, and in some instances, the words are just a bad match for what he was trying to say. The same can be said of his gourd songs. ......but, I respected the guy. strnAZ would you clarify what d. coan was trying to get across in his songs. i am just wondering if you tried to correct the boys from long walk des. :devil :devil :devil :devil

09-16-2003, 03:30 PM	#11 (permalink)
WolfTears StrongWillowsSister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Nashville Tenn Posts: 804	Well said straight ... most important part ....he sang for the drum ....not for the money or fame or anyone else ..It came from his heart ..an he tried ...we are far to often ready to aim an fire on someone that is honestly trying to bring to the front an have the words heard .. So my suggestion is ...if you know a better way public voices take it to the person in private an voice it to them like two humans ...Then you will have the right to say well I tried to help but ....when you just want to say they did this or that an you didnt try to help then you are doing as much as the one you are talking about ... An to speak ill of some one that has past over ...neva ...I am not willing to take what comes from that. Just my 2

09-19-2003, 12:27 AM	#12 (permalink)
49singer Tiny Tot Dancer Join Date: May 2002 Location: somewhere, USA Posts: 58	With respect to Mr. Coan, I'm not well versed in Navajo language, but i know from expierience, you ask ten Kiowas to translate something, and you get ten different translations. Thay are generally along the same lines and you get the key points of what is said.

09-19-2003, 07:32 AM	#13 (permalink)
bqueton Tiny Tot Dancer Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 92	I think everyone got just a bit off subject. Maybe by a mile or so. but anyways, Hoopstergirl, I think you guys should sing songs that belong in whatever territory your in. I just wouldn't feel right about you guys up there Sauk or Kiowa. You should stick with the songs of the territory that your in.

11-25-2003, 12:34 PM	#15 (permalink)
SBZ4life ~Southernz Elite~ Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Room 112 Posts: 799	ok ok, we all know its a bunk song, I dont know about songs with english tunes to em, heard em and hate em. Sounds kinda corny to me. Im sure that ol man had good thoughts when he "composed" that song, but....anyways. happy thanksgiving!!!:Chatter __________________ :indian2: MIRROR MIRROR ON THE WALL, JEAN CLAUDE VAN DAMME IM FINE:muscles: " say what I feel, I say what I think, I say what you do not like, Yet for some reason what I say is somewhat correct" Chief Big Beef 1999

12-02-2003, 12:56 PM	#16 (permalink)
singingboy Pow Wow Visitor Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 19	I also think that indian songs with english lyrics are korny, accept at a good 49, but when you hear this song sung by these guys it is not so bad. Although I agree that a good flad song followed by a traditional vererans song is the best.