Women's dance outfits.

WhoMe · 08-28-2006, 01:17 PM

I understand how the gustawe (headdress) is made and feathers arranged, can identify what Iroquois nation the male dancer, represents.

Is there part of the women's dance cloths or beadwork that distinguishes one Iroquois nation from another?

I have seen different types of headwear worn by women smoke dancers. Is this tribal specific?

ADcRezFamily · 08-28-2006, 09:09 PM

There is really no way to tell which nations the ladies come from by there oswadae'.(Longhouse Dress) But there usally is something to tell what clan they are from.

Iriquois is the French name, and Haudonesaunee(People of the Longhouse) is preferred.

-Shquanebin

WhoMe · 08-29-2006, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by ADcRezFamily

There is really no way to tell which nations the ladies come from by there oswadae'.(Longhouse Dress) But there usally is something to tell what clan they are from.

Iriquois is the French name, and Haudonesaunee(People of the Longhouse) is preferred.

-Shquanebin

Shquanebin,

I've noticed some women's smoke dancers who wear a "pointed bonnet" for a lack of description.

Did all the Haudonesaunee women wear these?

ADcRezFamily · 08-31-2006, 01:54 PM

I am not sure what a "'pointed bonnet" is. I know some wear crowns. Sorry....

between2worlds · 08-31-2006, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by WhoMe

Shquanebin,

I've noticed some women's smoke dancers who wear a "pointed bonnet" for a lack of description.

Did all the Haudonesaunee women wear these?

You mean like the mic mac style hood?

WhoMe · 08-31-2006, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by between2worlds

You mean like the mic mac style hood?

Between,

Yup. That's it!

A woman wore this style of hood (pointed bonnet) in the Schmitzun Smoke Dance awhile back.

Kituhwa · 09-25-2006, 12:43 AM

I'm not sure, but do you think maybe that style of hat came from French/Catholic influence? It reminds me of some of the type of hats that nuns wear. I know lots of Natives in eastern Canada are Catholic. I met quite a few during the Indigenous Games. It was interesting to meet Natives who's first language was French.

Blackbear · 09-25-2006, 04:53 AM

That was worn by micmacs and I think Maliseets maybe even abenakis and penobscots... but I'm kinda recalling that some mohawks might have worn a similar type hat... but mostly that's pretty well known for being Miqmac.

Blackbear · 09-25-2006, 04:59 AM

Hey Whome.. there's not really alot of ways of telling which nation someone is from in the women's dress... the overblouse used to identify but in last few decades they've kinda blended and evolved and now some even incorporate the collar into the dress instead of being a separate piece. You used to be able to tell a little by the beadwork . Tuscaroras are usually heavily to guadily beaded, where senecas might be a little more delicate and mohawk mostly flatwork... but then that's never a certain thing either and with contest powwows it seems there's more and more who are doing as much beadwork on their clothes as possible.

3ndnbear · 09-27-2006, 12:39 PM

i dont think that i've ever seen that but i have seen this...
http://www.civilization.ca/hist/hats/images/473_54.gif

between2worlds · 09-27-2006, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 3ndnbear

i dont think that i've ever seen that but i have seen this...
http://www.civilization.ca/hist/hats/images/473_54.gif

That's a fully beaded "Glengarry" cap which became popular (at least in the Great Lakes region) shortly after the end of WWI.

Here's one that I have in my pix collection:

Kituhwa · 10-02-2006, 08:12 PM

Wow that's really beautiful work, really intricate. Did you make that yourself? I wonder how long it would take to bead something like that.

Blackbear · 10-02-2006, 09:18 PM

The glengarry was made popular among the Haudenosaunee during the victorian period and was modeled after the ones from scotland. Mines a little more contemporary.

08-28-2006, 01:17 PM	#1 (permalink)
WhoMe PauWau Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Land of 370 Broken Treaties Posts: 5,442	Women's dance outfits. I understand how the gustawe (headdress) is made and feathers arranged, can identify what Iroquois nation the male dancer, represents. Is there part of the women's dance cloths or beadwork that distinguishes one Iroquois nation from another? I have seen different types of headwear worn by women smoke dancers. Is this tribal specific? __________________ "Today, recognizing and respecting the origins of powwow aids in our Cultural Survival. If enough people break the rules because they are not satisfied...."We will have no culture." WhoMe

08-28-2006, 09:09 PM	#2 (permalink)
ADcRezFamily Cherokee/Seneca/Baby Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Metro Washington, DC Area Posts: 106	Not really There is really no way to tell which nations the ladies come from by there oswadae'.(Longhouse Dress) But there usally is something to tell what clan they are from. Iriquois is the French name, and Haudonesaunee(People of the Longhouse) is preferred. -Shquanebin

09-25-2006, 12:43 AM	#7 (permalink)
Kituhwa Junior Dancer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Denver Posts: 178	bonnet I'm not sure, but do you think maybe that style of hat came from French/Catholic influence? It reminds me of some of the type of hats that nuns wear. I know lots of Natives in eastern Canada are Catholic. I met quite a few during the Indigenous Games. It was interesting to meet Natives who's first language was French.

09-25-2006, 04:53 AM	#8 (permalink)
Blackbear Gone Fishing Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Alaska Posts: 9,522	That was worn by micmacs and I think Maliseets maybe even abenakis and penobscots... but I'm kinda recalling that some mohawks might have worn a similar type hat... but mostly that's pretty well known for being Miqmac. __________________ Don't worry that it's not good enough for anyone else to hear... just sing, sing a song. http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v4...Video002-1.flv

09-25-2006, 04:59 AM	#9 (permalink)
Blackbear Gone Fishing Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Alaska Posts: 9,522	Hey Whome.. there's not really alot of ways of telling which nation someone is from in the women's dress... the overblouse used to identify but in last few decades they've kinda blended and evolved and now some even incorporate the collar into the dress instead of being a separate piece. You used to be able to tell a little by the beadwork . Tuscaroras are usually heavily to guadily beaded, where senecas might be a little more delicate and mohawk mostly flatwork... but then that's never a certain thing either and with contest powwows it seems there's more and more who are doing as much beadwork on their clothes as possible. __________________ Don't worry that it's not good enough for anyone else to hear... just sing, sing a song. http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v4...Video002-1.flv

08-31-2006, 01:54 PM	#4 (permalink)
ADcRezFamily Cherokee/Seneca/Baby Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Metro Washington, DC Area Posts: 106	I am not sure what a "'pointed bonnet" is. I know some wear crowns. Sorry....

09-27-2006, 12:39 PM	#10 (permalink)
3ndnbear smoke & ladies tradish Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: da:d wah ta:sa' DC Koh Posts: 330	hmm i dont think that i've ever seen that but i have seen this... http://www.civilization.ca/hist/hats/images/473_54.gif __________________

10-02-2006, 08:12 PM	#12 (permalink)
Kituhwa Junior Dancer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Denver Posts: 178	Wow that's really beautiful work, really intricate. Did you make that yourself? I wonder how long it would take to bead something like that.

10-02-2006, 09:18 PM	#13 (permalink)
Blackbear Gone Fishing Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Alaska Posts: 9,522	The glengarry was made popular among the Haudenosaunee during the victorian period and was modeled after the ones from scotland. Mines a little more contemporary.