What is a smoke dance?

paintedsun22 · 06-30-2006, 04:46 PM

For those of us who live in the west, will someone please tell us what the smoke dance is, why it originated, and who can dance it? Thanks!

Blackbear · 07-03-2006, 09:39 PM

Anyone can dance it.. the iroquois develope it from our old war dance although I heard it originated with the tuscarora.... it's a contest dance. You know, it's easier for me to give you this link and let you read and hear the music because I don't have the time at the moment to write it all out and pretty much what you want to know about it is on this site...

http://www.smokedance.com/

between2worlds · 07-03-2006, 09:56 PM

*scratches head* kinda looks like an ad for Bill Crouse ...

Here is another site that might be helpful: http://www.ohwejagehka.com/smokedance.htm

~b2w

**andre** · 07-03-2006, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by between2worlds

*scratches head* kinda looks like an ad for Bill Crouse ...

Here is another site that might be helpful: http://www.ohwejagehka.com/smokedance.htm

~b2w

I was thinkin' the same thing, but I've seen that guy before somewhere. Maybe video footage of GON 2001? I don't have a .RAM reader, so maybe that is what BB wanted us to view/hear. Blackbear, you haven't been taking money in exchange for posting ads again, have you?

Blackbear · 07-04-2006, 06:39 AM

ROFLMAO!!!! Actually the link that B2W posted was the one I MEANT to post... sorry bout that! Yeah you probably saw Bill at GON, since he's the one that brings the exhibition.

paintedsun22 · 07-04-2006, 03:59 PM

Cool. Thanks guys!

Privateer6 · 07-06-2006, 04:02 PM

check out youtube.com they have some examples posted. Don't know the authenticity as I've never seen it done before.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dBu8...=smoke%20dance

Blackbear · 07-07-2006, 02:44 PM

Yeah those are from North Carolina.. at the prospect/maxton powwow. I forget which it's called.. same group though.
I've got a few at http://tuscaroras.com/gallery/index.php but they are only 10 seconds long or less.

chief swingin beef · 07-10-2006, 10:00 AM

I know theres more than one story of origin out there but this is the one I was told by a very knowledgeble person he told me that this dance comes from our old time war dance that came from the Osage people now this dance was done before they went to war. We don't go to war no more so we use these songs in some of our other ceremonies such as our thunder and rain dance where the dancers dance this old dance. Now they use to do alot of shows along time ago and they would do this dance and show them the war dance or some people would also call it the scalp dance. They wouldn't use any ceremony songs they would either make up new songs or they took songs from some of the social dances that we do and changed the beat so it was appropriate for this dance. Some where down the line someone came up with the name smoke dance. Now when you see the dancers dancing you'll see various different styles theres old style and now a days alot of dancers are coming up with their own style which is alright because this is what was done along time ago thers no right or wrong way to do this dance its all up to the dancer! I hope this helps out.

Blackbear · 07-10-2006, 03:18 PM

That's what I was told by the late Kyle Dowdy Sr. as well.

smoke_dancer_20 · 07-11-2006, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by chief swingin beef

I know theres more than one story of origin out there but this the I was told by a very knowledgeble person he told me that this dance comes from our old time war dance that came from the Osage people now this dance was done before they went to war. We don't go to war no more so we use we use these songs in some of our other ceremonies such as our thunder and rain dance where the dancers dance this old dance. Now they use to do alot of shows along time ago and they would do this dance and show them the war dance or some people would also call it the scalp dance. They wouldn't use any ceremony songs they would either make up new songs or they took songs from some of the social dances that we do and changed the beat so it was appropriate for this dance. Some where down the line someone came up with the name smoke dance. Now when you see the dancers dancing you'll see various different styles theres old style and now a days alot of dancers are coming up with their own style which is alright because this is what was done along time ago thers no right or wrong way to do this dance its all up to the dancer! I hope this helps out.

yup this is my understanding of how this dance came about !......i know of so many knowledgeble longhouse men and elders who have said the same thing!......also !...some made up stories to go with the name of this dance!....but those stories were just made up for the show ! and so all the non-native peoples would say "awww so thats why they called it that"..LOL

**Summer_June** · 07-11-2006, 09:07 PM

Yeah.. that is what I was taught and know as well..

LOL oh that story... haha

06-30-2006, 04:46 PM	#1 (permalink)
paintedsun22 Dancer 4 Life!! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: If you find me, keep me here until I get back. Posts: 202	What is a smoke dance? For those of us who live in the west, will someone please tell us what the smoke dance is, why it originated, and who can dance it? Thanks!

07-03-2006, 09:39 PM	#2 (permalink)
Blackbear Gone Fishing Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Alaska Posts: 9,577	Anyone can dance it.. the iroquois develope it from our old war dance although I heard it originated with the tuscarora.... it's a contest dance. You know, it's easier for me to give you this link and let you read and hear the music because I don't have the time at the moment to write it all out and pretty much what you want to know about it is on this site... http://www.smokedance.com/ __________________ Don't worry that it's not good enough for anyone else to hear... just sing, sing a song. http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v4...Video002-1.flv

07-04-2006, 06:39 AM	#5 (permalink)
Blackbear Gone Fishing Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Alaska Posts: 9,577	ROFLMAO!!!! Actually the link that B2W posted was the one I MEANT to post... sorry bout that! Yeah you probably saw Bill at GON, since he's the one that brings the exhibition. __________________ Don't worry that it's not good enough for anyone else to hear... just sing, sing a song. http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v4...Video002-1.flv

07-07-2006, 02:44 PM	#8 (permalink)
Blackbear Gone Fishing Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Alaska Posts: 9,577	Yeah those are from North Carolina.. at the prospect/maxton powwow. I forget which it's called.. same group though. I've got a few at http://tuscaroras.com/gallery/index.php but they are only 10 seconds long or less. __________________ Don't worry that it's not good enough for anyone else to hear... just sing, sing a song. http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v4...Video002-1.flv

07-10-2006, 10:00 AM	#9 (permalink)
chief swingin beef Pow Wow Visitor Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: usa Posts: 9	This is the origin I was told of how this smoke dance came to be I know theres more than one story of origin out there but this is the one I was told by a very knowledgeble person he told me that this dance comes from our old time war dance that came from the Osage people now this dance was done before they went to war. We don't go to war no more so we use these songs in some of our other ceremonies such as our thunder and rain dance where the dancers dance this old dance. Now they use to do alot of shows along time ago and they would do this dance and show them the war dance or some people would also call it the scalp dance. They wouldn't use any ceremony songs they would either make up new songs or they took songs from some of the social dances that we do and changed the beat so it was appropriate for this dance. Some where down the line someone came up with the name smoke dance. Now when you see the dancers dancing you'll see various different styles theres old style and now a days alot of dancers are coming up with their own style which is alright because this is what was done along time ago thers no right or wrong way to do this dance its all up to the dancer! I hope this helps out. Last edited by chief swingin beef; 07-11-2006 at 08:33 AM.

07-03-2006, 09:56 PM	#3 (permalink)
between2worlds Patrick Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Riverdale, MD Posts: 2,718	scratches head kinda looks like an ad for Bill Crouse ... Here is another site that might be helpful: http://www.ohwejagehka.com/smokedance.htm ~b2w

07-04-2006, 03:59 PM	#6 (permalink)
paintedsun22 Dancer 4 Life!! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: If you find me, keep me here until I get back. Posts: 202	Cool. Thanks guys!

07-06-2006, 04:02 PM	#7 (permalink)
Privateer6 Like my new toy? Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Cylon occupied North Carolina Posts: 774	check out youtube.com they have some examples posted. Don't know the authenticity as I've never seen it done before. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dBu8...=smoke%20dance

07-10-2006, 03:18 PM	#10 (permalink)
Blackbear Gone Fishing Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Alaska Posts: 9,577	That's what I was told by the late Kyle Dowdy Sr. as well. __________________ Don't worry that it's not good enough for anyone else to hear... just sing, sing a song. http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v4...Video002-1.flv

07-11-2006, 09:07 PM	#12 (permalink)
Summer_June -tradish_hunni.-* Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Six Nations Posts: 1,211	Yeah.. that is what I was taught and know as well.. LOL oh that story... haha __________________ ~PowWows.com Princess 2006-2007~