Headress Question for Non-Iroquois?

Strugganona · 06-21-2006, 10:50 PM

Alright...It has been bothering me for quite awhile since I seen this, so I have to put it out there. Are there any Native Peoples besides Iroquois that wear the style of headress that our men do, but include deer antlers? I ask this because I was at Schemitzun a few years ago and saw this Eastern War-dancer wearing a headress with deer antlers on them. I do not know if this man was Iroquois, but I figured he wasn't because we USUALLY know not to combine deer antlers with a headress unless you are a Chief. I don't know what the traditional look is for other Native People when it comes to combining headress' with deer antlers, but I am hoping that he isn't Iroquois and doing this....

Please let me know

Blackbear · 06-22-2006, 03:28 PM

You know, I'd bet anything that he saw a chief wearing them, thought that it looked cool and put them on his gustoweh... cause you also know our chiefs would'tn be out competition dancing in their horns. He's more than likely non-iroquois.

3ndnbear · 06-23-2006, 11:04 AM

it's amazing what you see on the east coast.... since im 400 miles away from HOME and been hitting the trail around here.(md, va, nc, pa, nj).. i do see alot of similarities of our style... some one asked me a few weeks ago "when you see some one dressed like iroquois, dont you just want to go up and ask where they are from?" (call them out)(the woman was hon yo oh all the way) and i replied "no" cause i can TELL who is and who is trying... <to put the plainly>...y waste my time? i have sons to keep an eye on! lol all though in this area i know that we did have a lot of influence... there were more then the 5 nations... but i dont take it to personaly when i see "stuff" like that... and it's not my place to correct them (unless i am totally offended) because when people dabble in things that they know nothing of, it comes back on them... and most people are set in their ways... (i think that i've seen the same person.. hongeet looking?)

but this happens all the time in pow wows... you see some one dressed another Nation's regalia and know that they are not from there...

La + * Mom · 07-07-2006, 03:29 PM

But seriously, I have seen eastern individuals mimicking Iroquois style dresses mixed with shawls, belts and other 'goofy' accessories. Sometimes I can't help myself from glaring...

La + * Mom · 07-07-2006, 03:30 PM

I meant to say 'staring'. !!!

smoke_dancer_20 · 07-08-2006, 01:29 AM

now think back people!....how old is this spilt feather gastowah???....

trib · 07-25-2006, 02:09 AM

His first name is Dean... he's Delaware/Lenape from what I recall, tho I don't think he is from the Oklahoma Lenape... there is a group in Jersey or Maryland or around there that claim Delaware. He's one of the better Eastern War/Straight dancers. I asked a friend about the horns one time too, he wasn't sure why Dean had them on his Gustoweh.

**billyjoejimbob** · 07-25-2006, 11:31 AM

Uh oh, the Iroquois were infiltrated by the wackaloons now! Its bad enough the BoyScouts tear you guys up.

**bahnisiain** · 07-25-2006, 07:30 PM

there was this older gent who had owl related things(from owl feathers to wings to an owl head on his head dress - it was impressive to say the least. i don't know what tribal affiliation he was.

blacktail · 07-30-2006, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bahnisiain

there was this older gent who had owl related things(from owl feathers to wings to an owl head on his head dress - it was impressive to say the least. i don't know what tribal affiliation he was.

well if he had owl stuff on his hat, you can pretty much be sure he wasn't onkwehonwe. though now alot of people do what they please.

06-21-2006, 10:50 PM	#1 (permalink)
Strugganona Struggs not Drugs Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 716 337 Posts: 149	Headress Question for Non-Iroquois? Alright...It has been bothering me for quite awhile since I seen this, so I have to put it out there. Are there any Native Peoples besides Iroquois that wear the style of headress that our men do, but include deer antlers? I ask this because I was at Schemitzun a few years ago and saw this Eastern War-dancer wearing a headress with deer antlers on them. I do not know if this man was Iroquois, but I figured he wasn't because we USUALLY know not to combine deer antlers with a headress unless you are a Chief. I don't know what the traditional look is for other Native People when it comes to combining headress' with deer antlers, but I am hoping that he isn't Iroquois and doing this.... Please let me know __________________ "Nobody's perfect, and I stand accused."--GREEN DAY!

06-22-2006, 03:28 PM	#2 (permalink)
Blackbear Gone Fishing Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Alaska Posts: 9,479	You know, I'd bet anything that he saw a chief wearing them, thought that it looked cool and put them on his gustoweh... cause you also know our chiefs would'tn be out competition dancing in their horns. He's more than likely non-iroquois. __________________ Don't worry that it's not good enough for anyone else to hear... just sing, sing a song. http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v4...Video002-1.flv

06-23-2006, 11:04 AM	#3 (permalink)
3ndnbear smoke & ladies tradish Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: da:d wah ta:sa' DC Koh Posts: 330	just me... it's amazing what you see on the east coast.... since im 400 miles away from HOME and been hitting the trail around here.(md, va, nc, pa, nj).. i do see alot of similarities of our style... some one asked me a few weeks ago "when you see some one dressed like iroquois, dont you just want to go up and ask where they are from?" (call them out)(the woman was hon yo oh all the way) and i replied "no" cause i can TELL who is and who is trying... <to put the plainly>...y waste my time? i have sons to keep an eye on! lol all though in this area i know that we did have a lot of influence... there were more then the 5 nations... but i dont take it to personaly when i see "stuff" like that... and it's not my place to correct them (unless i am totally offended) because when people dabble in things that they know nothing of, it comes back on them... and most people are set in their ways... (i think that i've seen the same person.. hongeet looking?) but this happens all the time in pow wows... you see some one dressed another Nation's regalia and know that they are not from there... __________________ Last edited by 3ndnbear; 06-23-2006 at 11:11 AM.

07-07-2006, 03:29 PM	#4 (permalink)
La + * Mom Notoriou'sly' Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Tax Exempt Country! Posts: 323	and me too But seriously, I have seen eastern individuals mimicking Iroquois style dresses mixed with shawls, belts and other 'goofy' accessories. Sometimes I can't help myself from glaring... __________________ "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. ~Dr. Seuss

07-07-2006, 03:30 PM	#5 (permalink)
La + * Mom Notoriou'sly' Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Tax Exempt Country! Posts: 323	I meant to say 'staring'. !!! __________________ "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. ~Dr. Seuss

07-08-2006, 01:29 AM	#6 (permalink)
smoke_dancer_20 yohoh-yo:yanehiyo-ohho-!! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ohswe:ge^ "Six Nations rez" Posts: 327	now think back people!....how old is this spilt feather gastowah???.... __________________ -[]-[ ]-/\-[ ]-[]-

07-25-2006, 02:09 AM	#7 (permalink)
trib It's what to wear. Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: CT Posts: 21	His first name is Dean... he's Delaware/Lenape from what I recall, tho I don't think he is from the Oklahoma Lenape... there is a group in Jersey or Maryland or around there that claim Delaware. He's one of the better Eastern War/Straight dancers. I asked a friend about the horns one time too, he wasn't sure why Dean had them on his Gustoweh. __________________ trib™ is a Native-owned sports apparel company catering to Indian Country. Our designs reflect the attitude, gratitude and political/social issues of todays Native peoples. goto trib here

07-25-2006, 11:31 AM	#8 (permalink)
billyjoejimbob Fat Singer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: white guy land Posts: 1,512	Uh oh, the Iroquois were infiltrated by the wackaloons now! Its bad enough the BoyScouts tear you guys up.

07-25-2006, 07:30 PM	#9 (permalink)
bahnisiain Eastern Blanket Dancer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: CT Posts: 1,767 Blog Entries: 2	there was this older gent who had owl related things(from owl feathers to wings to an owl head on his head dress - it was impressive to say the least. i don't know what tribal affiliation he was. __________________ Bahnisiain www.myspace.com/bahnisiain

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