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Daizy · 06-16-2006, 03:22 PM

For those of you ladies that smoke dance, you obvisoulsy dance in Iroqouis Regalia.. Now my question...Since not many Pow-Wows offer smoke dance as competition, and you want to enter the contest in womens traditional and the categories are split into northern and southern, which one would you dance in? Now, Iroquois would be considered northern, BUT, the northern dancers are "usually" Buckskin dancers, and seeing that Iroquois are cloth dancers who don't stay in one place, would you go in the Southern category?? (I do realize some Northern move around, but the majority do not! )

Blackbear · 06-19-2006, 06:28 AM

there are northern cloth dancers as well... and they all go around the circle like southern does, it just depends on what kind of dance it is.

**bahnisiain** · 06-19-2006, 10:37 AM

most of the time i have gone with the northern. i have gone with the southern. it all depends on my mood at the time.

3ndnbear · 06-19-2006, 12:51 PM

northern unless it's really broken down.. northern, cloth, zig zaggers... sike.. lol.. i would always choose northern... regardless... to me, my outfit is culturally appropriate and something to be proud of... however i am making a new "pow wow northern traditional" gear... so i will be rocking both... lol...

RedShield · 06-19-2006, 06:37 PM

Congratulations on getting the smoke dance forum... very cool!

**bahnisiain** · 06-19-2006, 08:58 PM

very cool that we have a forum all to ourselves!

seneca*one · 06-21-2006, 02:05 PM

YAY!!! we did it! we're ACE! but to answer the question.... i've been dancing for just about all my life and I always danced northern in my smoke dance regalia. however, i dance souther cloth traditional now!!! heehe, just think of the grand entries where smoke dance is....the smoke dance women walk in with the northern ladies. either right in front, behind, or IN line with them.

Blackbear · 06-21-2006, 03:25 PM

I dance southern style in my tuscarora clothes... but I dance southern because the hubby's osage and I was taught by osage and otoes to dance that way... it's easier on my feet than northern.. I can't dance standing in place like they do.

Strugganona · 06-21-2006, 10:09 PM

I think that our less "colonial" look resembles what Ojibway women would wear with a lot of floral designs, and the layered ruffled collar with trade silver brooches. I don't have a lot of silver brooches for my dresses, so I use elk teeth. They mean a lot to me because my dad bought them for me when we went to Crow Fair in Montana. I like to use things that carry a lot of meaning to me because I was given them by folks close to me.
Another thing to add is that our old-style ladies dance resembles the old-stlye jingle side-step...only going counter-clockwise. We are suppossed to have a lot of arm movement, like we're doing something--pounding corn, rocking a baby.....

But I guess all this that I'm typing would mean that I think we are Northern Tradish because we are Northern Ladies....Oddly enough though, a lot of the ladies up here dance Southern. I think it's because there's more emphasis on Southern Cloth at Pow Wows-rather than Northern Cloth. It would seem that these days, Northern Cloth is growing though....

Blackbear · 06-22-2006, 03:40 PM

actually the shuffle (old style ladies dance as you put it) is fairly new to the iroquois, that's why it's called the new shuffle dance. I can't remember what all songs they dance to that way, but I know the fish dance is one.

bvr_wmn · 06-29-2006, 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Blackbear

actually the shuffle (old style ladies dance as you put it) is fairly new to the iroquois, that's why it's called the new shuffle dance. I can't remember what all songs they dance to that way, but I know the fish dance is one.

actually ladies dance is not new to haudenosaunee. "New Women's shuffle" refers to the social dance style and songs. The women's dance is ceremonial and has a whole different style of songs.

Tcwgrlup41 · 07-31-2006, 01:34 AM

I myself dance in Northern traditional. I have learn to dance in place. It is hard being judged in a Souther catagory. For you know we dont bend. I do have my shawl, and I do pretty good in the Northern catagory. I suggest some of you try it. It's not so bad, and it's fairly easy adapting.

smoke_dancer_20 · 07-31-2006, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by bvr_wmn

actually ladies dance is not new to haudenosaunee. "New Women's shuffle" refers to the social dance style and songs. The women's dance is ceremonial and has a whole different style of songs.

..yeah what she said!..i agree with her!...and smoke dance ain't a part of our social dancing !...it's a show/contest dance that we do!...

06-16-2006, 03:22 PM	#1 (permalink)
Daizy Pow Wow Visitor Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 23	I'll be the first to post! For those of you ladies that smoke dance, you obvisoulsy dance in Iroqouis Regalia.. Now my question...Since not many Pow-Wows offer smoke dance as competition, and you want to enter the contest in womens traditional and the categories are split into northern and southern, which one would you dance in? Now, Iroquois would be considered northern, BUT, the northern dancers are "usually" Buckskin dancers, and seeing that Iroquois are cloth dancers who don't stay in one place, would you go in the Southern category?? (I do realize some Northern move around, but the majority do not! )

06-19-2006, 06:28 AM	#2 (permalink)
Blackbear Gone Fishing Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Alaska Posts: 9,577	there are northern cloth dancers as well... and they all go around the circle like southern does, it just depends on what kind of dance it is. __________________ Don't worry that it's not good enough for anyone else to hear... just sing, sing a song. http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v4...Video002-1.flv

06-19-2006, 10:37 AM	#3 (permalink)
bahnisiain Eastern Blanket Dancer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: CT Posts: 1,787 Blog Entries: 2	most of the time i have gone with the northern. i have gone with the southern. it all depends on my mood at the time. __________________ Bahnisiain www.myspace.com/bahnisiain

06-19-2006, 12:51 PM	#4 (permalink)
3ndnbear smoke & ladies tradish Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: da:d wah ta:sa' DC Koh Posts: 330	northern unless it's really broken down.. northern, cloth, zig zaggers... sike.. lol.. i would always choose northern... regardless... to me, my outfit is culturally appropriate and something to be proud of... however i am making a new "pow wow northern traditional" gear... so i will be rocking both... lol... __________________ Last edited by 3ndnbear; 06-19-2006 at 12:55 PM. Reason: added info

06-19-2006, 06:37 PM	#5 (permalink)
RedShield Singer/ Dancer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 15,454	Congratulations on getting the smoke dance forum... very cool! __________________ I became a singer because I love to sing... and to feed my addiction to cough drops!

06-19-2006, 08:58 PM	#6 (permalink)
bahnisiain Eastern Blanket Dancer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: CT Posts: 1,787 Blog Entries: 2	very cool that we have a forum all to ourselves! __________________ Bahnisiain www.myspace.com/bahnisiain

06-21-2006, 02:05 PM	#7 (permalink)
senecaone ~Retired smokedancer* Join Date: May 2003 Location: A Rez called CATTARAUGUS! Posts: 62	YAY!!! we did it! we're ACE! but to answer the question.... i've been dancing for just about all my life and I always danced northern in my smoke dance regalia. however, i dance souther cloth traditional now!!! heehe, just think of the grand entries where smoke dance is....the smoke dance women walk in with the northern ladies. either right in front, behind, or IN line with them. __________________ ~+ +~ Just breakin it down!

06-21-2006, 03:25 PM	#8 (permalink)
Blackbear Gone Fishing Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Alaska Posts: 9,577	I dance southern style in my tuscarora clothes... but I dance southern because the hubby's osage and I was taught by osage and otoes to dance that way... it's easier on my feet than northern.. I can't dance standing in place like they do. __________________ Don't worry that it's not good enough for anyone else to hear... just sing, sing a song. http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v4...Video002-1.flv

06-21-2006, 10:09 PM	#9 (permalink)
Strugganona Struggs not Drugs Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 716 337 Posts: 186	I think that our less "colonial" look resembles what Ojibway women would wear with a lot of floral designs, and the layered ruffled collar with trade silver brooches. I don't have a lot of silver brooches for my dresses, so I use elk teeth. They mean a lot to me because my dad bought them for me when we went to Crow Fair in Montana. I like to use things that carry a lot of meaning to me because I was given them by folks close to me. Another thing to add is that our old-style ladies dance resembles the old-stlye jingle side-step...only going counter-clockwise. We are suppossed to have a lot of arm movement, like we're doing something--pounding corn, rocking a baby..... But I guess all this that I'm typing would mean that I think we are Northern Tradish because we are Northern Ladies....Oddly enough though, a lot of the ladies up here dance Southern. I think it's because there's more emphasis on Southern Cloth at Pow Wows-rather than Northern Cloth. It would seem that these days, Northern Cloth is growing though.... __________________ "Nobody's perfect, and I stand accused."--GREEN DAY!

06-22-2006, 03:40 PM	#10 (permalink)
Blackbear Gone Fishing Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Alaska Posts: 9,577	actually the shuffle (old style ladies dance as you put it) is fairly new to the iroquois, that's why it's called the new shuffle dance. I can't remember what all songs they dance to that way, but I know the fish dance is one. __________________ Don't worry that it's not good enough for anyone else to hear... just sing, sing a song. http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v4...Video002-1.flv

07-31-2006, 01:34 AM	#12 (permalink)
Tcwgrlup41 Tuscarora4life Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: North Carolina Posts: 7	I myself dance in Northern traditional. I have learn to dance in place. It is hard being judged in a Souther catagory. For you know we dont bend. I do have my shawl, and I do pretty good in the Northern catagory. I suggest some of you try it. It's not so bad, and it's fairly easy adapting.