Women in men's clothing.

WhoMe · 06-18-2008, 04:51 PM

I was at a powwow recently where there was a female straight dancer. In my lifetime I have also seen female traditional, grass and fancy dancers.

Are we to a point in time now where we should welcome females to do male dances?

Does this go against anyones tribal traditions?

Should women wear the pants in the family? *L

**50cal** · 06-18-2008, 04:52 PM

Dang Whome, I thought you was about to confess to something here............LOL!!!

WhoMe · 06-18-2008, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 50cal

Dang Whome, I thought you was about to confess to something here............LOL!!!

I was about to...

But now I ain't gonna.

*L

Ol'Girl · 06-18-2008, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhoMe

I was about to...

But now I ain't gonna.

*L

LMAO!

Thanks guys! Tryna make it through the rest of the workday!

**badmaninc** · 06-18-2008, 06:40 PM

Dude, now you're creating too many images I don't need in my head

**Kakeeya** · 06-18-2008, 06:44 PM

Whome, 50 and Badman dang.........
I'm getting images of all three of you that are very interesting.

Coyot_In_The_House · 06-18-2008, 06:47 PM

Dances that originated with Patrilineal Tribes I think we know the answer to this one....I'd say some get confused and overlap and compare Traditional teachings with Mainstream views.....

**Kakeeya** · 06-18-2008, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by WhoMe

Are we to a point in time now where we should welcome females to do male dances?

I've only seen one young woman dance the grass dance seriously (that wasn't in a switch contest). She was at the Skydome powwow and I believe was initiated into the society, I don't think there are many (if any) women that dance in men's outfits over where I am. If they do, usually it's just for a switch dance contest or hoop dance.

**chazziff** · 06-18-2008, 07:04 PM

LOL ... guess it depends on the men's clothing were talkin about and jus where the woman is wearing it .... JKZ ... im thinking theres some situations where a man wouldnt mind a woman wearing some types of men's clothings LOL

OK ... i have a neighbour .... she is now a young woman of i think 18 now. she has been dancing fancy bustle since she could walk. she is good at it ... as well as her older two brothers who dance it well too. and for a short time my own daughter who is now 6 wanted to dance prairie chicken ... another well known prairie chicken dancer jus asked us about her too he remembered her dancing LOL. she wanted to be jus like daddy LOL

i see no problem with it ... as long as protocol is followed. and we know what protocol im talking about in particular ... LOL. i havent had to privilege to see men in women's dance regalia (seriously ... im not talkin about switch dancing) around this area either. i have no problem wit it as long as they respect the dance and the regalia that goes along wit it.

it was not a short while ago (relatively) that women have been even allowed to dance ... (fancier) fancy. before that it was strictly on the sides ... a more traditional style of dance ....

timmy tiger · 06-18-2008, 07:09 PM

I really haven't seen it to notice it really. I did see a man dressed in a dress and go into the circle at a pow wow, now that got some attention there.

But now I have seen a man dress in a women traditional outfit, shawl and all and go into the circle like that.

WhoMe · 06-18-2008, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by timmy tiger

I really haven't seen it to notice it really. I did see a man dressed in a dress and go into the circle at a pow wow, now that got some attention there.

But now I have seen a man dress in a women traditional outfit, shawl and all and go into the circle like that.

Timmy,

The place I saw the woman straight dancer is the same powwow I saw you last.

I should have pointed, him, ur, her, uh ......out?

timmy tiger · 06-18-2008, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by WhoMe

Timmy,

The place I saw the woman straight dancer is the same powwow I saw you last.

I should have pointed, him, ur, her, uh ......out?

Oh okay, yeah I wish you would have. I didn't see them. But I did see all the ones for the switch dance. Now, that was cool.

Yeah, the one that I saw was last year, but not the same pow wow and then another one a few years back, again not the same one.

Well, maybe they will be back again this year?

**Josiah** · 06-18-2008, 09:52 PM

We have had the same debate about women dancing Gourd Dance with the men here on Powwows.com in the past...
The Gourd dance is a Men's dance.
In the Various Districts in this State the Straight Dance is a Men's dance.
I would be very interested to see what the reaction would be to a woman straight dancer attempting to dance at Ilonska or at Whitehorse or Pawhuska...

In a powwow we have men's style and women's styles

Men look silly dancing buckskin or southern cloth and as for Jingle
well....

so on the other side of the coin why do women want to dance mens style except to prove that they can...

I have seen a woman Fancy dancer here and for that matter a grass dancer but neither placed...
In this day and age of trans-gender changing and same sex marriages those lines are gonna be blurred
except
we have men's style and woman's style
still....

06-18-2008, 04:51 PM	#1 (permalink)
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50cal Natural Born Killer...... Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: In a socialist state..... Posts: 7,245	Dang Whome, I thought you was about to confess to something here............LOL!!! __________________ "Sweat dries, blood clots, bones heal. Suck it up. Be a Marine"

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Coyot_In_The_House uhvdlv Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 3,963	Considering...... Dances that originated with Patrilineal Tribes I think we know the answer to this one....I'd say some get confused and overlap and compare Traditional teachings with Mainstream views.....

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chazziff YO!! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in a big sleigh bed Posts: 6,474	LOL ... guess it depends on the men's clothing were talkin about and jus where the woman is wearing it .... JKZ ... im thinking theres some situations where a man wouldnt mind a woman wearing some types of men's clothings LOL OK ... i have a neighbour .... she is now a young woman of i think 18 now. she has been dancing fancy bustle since she could walk. she is good at it ... as well as her older two brothers who dance it well too. and for a short time my own daughter who is now 6 wanted to dance prairie chicken ... another well known prairie chicken dancer jus asked us about her too he remembered her dancing LOL. she wanted to be jus like daddy LOL i see no problem with it ... as long as protocol is followed. and we know what protocol im talking about in particular ... LOL. i havent had to privilege to see men in women's dance regalia (seriously ... im not talkin about switch dancing) around this area either. i have no problem wit it as long as they respect the dance and the regalia that goes along wit it. it was not a short while ago (relatively) that women have been even allowed to dance ... (fancier) fancy. before that it was strictly on the sides ... a more traditional style of dance .... __________________ See I wanna move, but can't escape from you So I keep it low, keep a secret code So everybody else don't have to know So keep ya love locked down

06-18-2008, 09:52 PM	#13 (permalink)
Josiah PowWows.com Addicts Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Oklahoma City Oklahoma USA Posts: 4,446 Blog Entries: 4	We have had the same debate about women dancing Gourd Dance with the men here on Powwows.com in the past... The Gourd dance is a Men's dance. In the Various Districts in this State the Straight Dance is a Men's dance. I would be very interested to see what the reaction would be to a woman straight dancer attempting to dance at Ilonska or at Whitehorse or Pawhuska... In a powwow we have men's style and women's styles Men look silly dancing buckskin or southern cloth and as for Jingle well.... so on the other side of the coin why do women want to dance mens style except to prove that they can... I have seen a woman Fancy dancer here and for that matter a grass dancer but neither placed... In this day and age of trans-gender changing and same sex marriages those lines are gonna be blurred except we have men's style and woman's style still.... __________________

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badmaninc PowWows.com Addicts Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Saanich Tribes, B.C. Posts: 3,035	Dude, now you're creating too many images I don't need in my head

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Kakeeya PowWows.com Addicts Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: By a mountain on the Rez Posts: 2,553	Whome, 50 and Badman dang......... I'm getting images of all three of you that are very interesting.

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timmy tiger Head Dancer Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: where ever there are babies or children you can find me Posts: 17,640 Blog Entries: 4	I really haven't seen it to notice it really. I did see a man dressed in a dress and go into the circle at a pow wow, now that got some attention there. But now I have seen a man dress in a women traditional outfit, shawl and all and go into the circle like that.

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