Competition vs. Money drawing

**MayChe** · 01-09-2008, 10:55 AM

After weighing the pros and cons of each, which would you rather go to: a competition powwow or a powwow where if your number is called you get to choose a money envelope ranging between $20 and $100?

**Wojapi4Me** · 01-09-2008, 11:19 AM

A contest dance hands down...the singing would more than likely be better. I go to dance and I do enjoy hearing nice music. Dancing in contests is fun for me as it challenges me to do better and become a better dancer.

The "raffle" pow wows are lame. I'd rather there not be any $$ involved at all than attend something like that.

timmy tiger · 01-09-2008, 11:37 AM

I would prefer to go to the Competition pow wow's myself, even though I don't contest. I've never been to a "Raffle" pow wow but I have been to many where they pay "Day Money" and that's fair accross the board for everyone. But as Wojapi said about the other's, many of these are "Lame" and they don't get in the good drums. But, I have been to two in the past couple of years that really were absolutely awesome.

**Wojapi4Me** · 01-09-2008, 11:42 AM

Let me clarify...

I wasn't talking about "day money" pow wows - those are awesome. I was talking about these "raffle" pow wows.

timmy tiger · 01-09-2008, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Wojapi4Me

Let me clarify...

I wasn't talking about "day money" pow wows - those are awesome. I was talking about these "raffle" pow wows.

Sorry, I knew what you were talking about really, but I haven't had the same experience where I am. I've been to about 4-5 pow wow's that are "Day Money" pow wow's and out of that there are only 2 that really stick out in my mind as being awesome. I'm trying to get some of the people I know from out that way to come out for those, they really were GREAT. But the other's that I have been too like this, just well--I think that you might know. It's really location and who's running them, I think. Just my opinion.

**kneegrow_native** · 01-09-2008, 11:57 AM

I think the raffle thing sounds kinda cool. Around here no one has done anything like that as far as I can remember, and I think it would be all in good fun as long as the dancers understand this coming.

This past year I went to Denver March for the first time, they did not have drum contest, but they had a drummers raffle, I thought it was cool (probably because we got picked).

Also, if the pow-wow was held during a slow time, people might be willing to travel anyway just to hit a pow-wow.

Creewoman05 · 01-09-2008, 11:59 AM

I am down for either, as long as you know what you are getting into, I dont see any problems with them at all.

Kamama · 01-09-2008, 11:46 PM

I went to a pow wow last season that did the raffle thing, and it was actually kind of cool. Everyone there understood how it worked. The MC would announce before a dance when a raffle would be drawn, and after the dancers were in the circle, the arena director would close the circle off, so that noone could sneak in at the last minute, and the Drums would go a couple of songs, and at the end of the songs, the MC would call a kid out to draw a number from a hat, and if that dancer was in the circle, got to come up and pick out an envelope from a seperate hat. There was anywhere from $5 to $100 in each envelope. The really cool thing, was one of the elderly ladies was in the circle unaware that the raffle was going, and they called her number, and she drew $100. That made me feel good, because she had recently lost her husband, and was having a hard time, and that gave her some bill money, and gas to make the next pow wow where she would be vending. My number got drawn a couple of times, the first time I got got like $10, and the second $20 - I took the $20 and split it with 3 young shawl dancers that was out in the circle. There number hadnt gotten called, and it made them feel good to get a few bucks. So, I kinda liked the idea of the raffle. It made everyone feel good, and got the dancers out in the circle for there chance to get some cash. I've only been to a couple of comp. pow wows, some good dancing there, I went to sing backup, but, figured since I was there, Id go ahead and compete. I learned alot from it thats for sure, and eeeek! Im not a good comp. dancer

Wakalapi · 01-10-2008, 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by kneegrow_native

This past year I went to Denver March for the first time, they did not have drum contest,

Really? Wow! That sounds kinda surprising.

**Wojapi4Me** · 01-10-2008, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Wakalapi

Really? Wow! That sounds kinda surprising.

Not really...Denver never has been a drum contest pow wow.

**ac_miss** · 01-10-2008, 12:47 PM

Wow, I never heard of the raffle thing. Like someone mentioned, I've been to pow-wows where they paid day money for participating which is nice because everyone got paid. It may not have been much, but at least they went home with something.

As for my answer to the question asked, I'd rather go to a competition pow-wow.

WhoMe · 01-11-2008, 11:24 AM

Like ac_miss, I have not heard of a money drawing powwow. But it sounds like a good way to get people to dress and dance at a small powwow.

Hmmmm?

WhoMe · 01-11-2008, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Wojapi4Me

Not really...Denver never has been a drum contest pow wow.

They once had a special drum contest sponsored by the family of Cheyenne Brady who was their princess at the time. It got a lot of big name drums in to compete. With them came a lot of good dance competitors, even though the prize money was minimal.

My drum always sets up because it seems like Denver March is traditionally the first BIG powwow of the new year and "opens up powwow season." There are always a lot of powwow committe people from everywhere looking for head staff and host drums for their upcoming powwows later in the year.

01-09-2008, 10:55 AM	#1 (permalink)
MayChe Minglin' N Jinglin' Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Flo' Da Posts: 1,120	Competition vs. Money drawing After weighing the pros and cons of each, which would you rather go to: a competition powwow or a powwow where if your number is called you get to choose a money envelope ranging between $20 and $100? __________________ Check me out on MySpace: www.myspace.com/mayasbored **~If your success is not on your own terms, if it looks good to the world but does not feel good in your heart, it is not success at all. ~**

01-09-2008, 11:19 AM	#2 (permalink)
Wojapi4Me Kili! Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Tha Rez Posts: 1,515	A contest dance hands down...the singing would more than likely be better. I go to dance and I do enjoy hearing nice music. Dancing in contests is fun for me as it challenges me to do better and become a better dancer. The "raffle" pow wows are lame. I'd rather there not be any $$ involved at all than attend something like that. __________________ If pro is the opposite of con, then wouldn't progress be the opposite of...lol

01-09-2008, 11:42 AM	#4 (permalink)
Wojapi4Me Kili! Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Tha Rez Posts: 1,515	Let me clarify... I wasn't talking about "day money" pow wows - those are awesome. I was talking about these "raffle" pow wows. __________________ If pro is the opposite of con, then wouldn't progress be the opposite of...lol

01-09-2008, 11:57 AM	#6 (permalink)
kneegrow_native whip cream is better Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In God's Country Posts: 1,431	I think the raffle thing sounds kinda cool. Around here no one has done anything like that as far as I can remember, and I think it would be all in good fun as long as the dancers understand this coming. This past year I went to Denver March for the first time, they did not have drum contest, but they had a drummers raffle, I thought it was cool (probably because we got picked). Also, if the pow-wow was held during a slow time, people might be willing to travel anyway just to hit a pow-wow. __________________ It is so sad that a family can torn apart by something as simple as a wild pack of dogs.

01-09-2008, 11:46 PM	#8 (permalink)
Kamama Fancy Shawl Dancer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: WV Posts: 299	I went to a pow wow last season that did the raffle thing, and it was actually kind of cool. Everyone there understood how it worked. The MC would announce before a dance when a raffle would be drawn, and after the dancers were in the circle, the arena director would close the circle off, so that noone could sneak in at the last minute, and the Drums would go a couple of songs, and at the end of the songs, the MC would call a kid out to draw a number from a hat, and if that dancer was in the circle, got to come up and pick out an envelope from a seperate hat. There was anywhere from $5 to $100 in each envelope. The really cool thing, was one of the elderly ladies was in the circle unaware that the raffle was going, and they called her number, and she drew $100. That made me feel good, because she had recently lost her husband, and was having a hard time, and that gave her some bill money, and gas to make the next pow wow where she would be vending. My number got drawn a couple of times, the first time I got got like $10, and the second $20 - I took the $20 and split it with 3 young shawl dancers that was out in the circle. There number hadnt gotten called, and it made them feel good to get a few bucks. So, I kinda liked the idea of the raffle. It made everyone feel good, and got the dancers out in the circle for there chance to get some cash. I've only been to a couple of comp. pow wows, some good dancing there, I went to sing backup, but, figured since I was there, Id go ahead and compete. I learned alot from it thats for sure, and eeeek! Im not a good comp. dancer __________________ Walk softly, leave nothing but footprints....

01-09-2008, 11:37 AM	#3 (permalink)
timmy tiger Head Dancer Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: where ever there are babies or children you can find me Posts: 17,640 Blog Entries: 4	I would prefer to go to the Competition pow wow's myself, even though I don't contest. I've never been to a "Raffle" pow wow but I have been to many where they pay "Day Money" and that's fair accross the board for everyone. But as Wojapi said about the other's, many of these are "Lame" and they don't get in the good drums. But, I have been to two in the past couple of years that really were absolutely awesome.

01-09-2008, 11:59 AM	#7 (permalink)
Creewoman05 Banned Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Surrey BC Posts: 1,693	I am down for either, as long as you know what you are getting into, I dont see any problems with them at all.

01-10-2008, 12:47 PM	#11 (permalink)
ac_miss Beading Mad Woman Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 2,975 Blog Entries: 3	Wow, I never heard of the raffle thing. Like someone mentioned, I've been to pow-wows where they paid day money for participating which is nice because everyone got paid. It may not have been much, but at least they went home with something. As for my answer to the question asked, I'd rather go to a competition pow-wow. __________________ Bead All You Can Bead

01-11-2008, 11:24 AM	#12 (permalink)
WhoMe PauWau Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Land of 370 Broken Treaties Posts: 5,559	Like ac_miss, I have not heard of a money drawing powwow. But it sounds like a good way to get people to dress and dance at a small powwow. Hmmmm? __________________ "Today, recognizing and respecting the origins of powwow aids in our Cultural Survival. If enough people break the rules because they are not satisfied...."We will have no culture." WhoMe

01-11-2008, 02:00 PM	#14 (permalink)
MayChe Minglin' N Jinglin' Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Flo' Da Posts: 1,120