Eagle Dance

Allogagan Nimat · 11-22-2005, 12:52 AM

Hello Everyone!

I am a youth who is in charge of a Order of the Arrow Lodge Dance Team. We have been asked to perform a Eagle Dance. Is this correct to do? If so, how is it done? It will be around January so we have time to learn it. Any help will be appreciated.

Yours in WWW,

Allogagan Nimat

CloudN9ne · 11-23-2005, 12:48 PM

my answer to this is no you shouldn't be learning dances that have a ceremonial purpose. you guys should be shut down because you give natives a real bad name.

Miz-mowhawky · 11-23-2005, 10:18 PM

....yup..ouch...lol..i never heard of this dance...what is it?

Allogagan Nimat · 11-24-2005, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by CloudN9ne

my answer to this is no you shouldn't be learning dances that have a ceremonial purpose. you guys should be shut down because you give natives a real bad name.

You need to keep your mouth shut when it comes to telling people what to do and what not to do, when you do not even know who they are. You are making a invalid asumption about my team. Yes, it may be true that SOME OA groups show disrespect to Native Americans and I apoligize for them, but all Arrowmen are not like that. Our lodge has many people who know customs and traditions of different Native American Tribes, so we will learn the dance the right way or we will not perform it.

Yours in WWW,

Allogagan Nimat

**badmaninc** · 11-24-2005, 10:06 PM

BLAH, BLAH, BLAH........You know how many times we have heard all of this, people say they come on here to learn this respectfully. If you had any respect for what you were asking you should know enough to go and speak to the Elders from where you are. You just want a bunch of people who you don't know to give you blanket approval of what you are doing. When we don't you start telling people to shut up. If you say you have people who know the right ways of teaching why bother coming on here to seek approval. The answer, the people who know don't know very much. Most ndns on here get tired of peeps coming on here using us to get information so that you can actually say some of my best friends are Native americans or First Nation. Take your pick sparky. People are tired of playing this game so why don't you go speak to the people in your area if you are truly sincere. The people who know the traditional teachings should at least know who the Elders are in your area.

Allogagan Nimat · 11-24-2005, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by badmaninc

BLAH, BLAH, BLAH........You know how many times we have heard all of this, people say they come on here to learn this respectfully. If you had any respect for what you were asking you should know enough to go and speak to the Elders from where you are. You just want a bunch of people who you don't know to give you blanket approval of what you are doing. When we don't you start telling people to shut up. If you say you have people who know the right ways of teaching why bother coming on here to seek approval. The answer, the people who know don't know very much. Most ndns on here get tired of peeps coming on here using us to get information so that you can actually say some of my best friends are Native americans or First Nation. Take your pick sparky. People are tired of playing this game so why don't you go speak to the people in your area if you are truly sincere. The people who know the traditional teachings should at least know who the Elders are in your area.

Do you know why I came here? Because I thought I could get a better insight to different ways to do Native American dances. But I guess you do not like to help people who are interested in learning of your customs and traditions. I am sorry I asked for your help.

Mato Winyan · 11-24-2005, 11:21 PM

This is your post and what you asked........

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Originally Posted by Allogagan Nimat

Hello Everyone!

I am a youth who is in charge of a Order of the Arrow Lodge Dance Team. We have been asked to perform a Eagle Dance. Is this correct to do? If so, how is it done? It will be around January so we have time to learn it. Any help will be appreciated.

Yours in WWW,

Allogagan Nimat

This is your answer........

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you shouldn't be learning dances that have a ceremonial purpose

This is you going off on someone for stating the truth...... IT IS A CEREMONIAL DANCE! period...!!!

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You need to keep your mouth shut when it comes to telling people what to do and what not to do, when you do not even know who they are. You are making a invalid asumption about my team. Yes, it may be true that SOME OA groups show disrespect to Native Americans and I apoligize for them, but all Arrowmen are not like that. Our lodge has many people who know customs and traditions of different Native American Tribes, so we will learn the dance the right way or we will not perform it.

You asked "Is this correct to do? " So you were told "NO because it is ceremonial....... so what's the problem??? It's the truth................ (and I quote)............. "you can't handle the truth!!"

So...... guess you need to go back to the ones that neither ask questions or care to learn the truth. Anyway.... you have the truth so what you choose to do with it now is up to you.

basikakwe · 11-25-2005, 03:32 AM

Interesting...just wondering why you need to ask? Sounds like you gonna do this anyway, irregardless of what anybody says. What does your 'elders' say? Yeah, right!

Allogagan Nimat · 11-25-2005, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by basikakwe

Interesting...just wondering why you need to ask? Sounds like you gonna do this anyway, irregardless of what anybody says. What does your 'elders' say? Yeah, right!

The reason why I asked is because I know that the people that I am involved with do not know all of the answers. This is why I came here, to broaden my horizon to the many different ways to do Native American Dances. I have read some books on the Eagle Dance and nowhere does it state that it is a ceremonial dance. Is it a ceremonial dance to certain tribes? I am sorry for my retaliating behavior before, I am just trying to learn all of the different ways things are done.

**Emmy** · 11-28-2005, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Allogagan Nimat

The reason why I asked is because I know that the people that I am involved with do not know all of the answers. This is why I came here, to broaden my horizon to the many different ways to do Native American Dances. I have read some books on the Eagle Dance and nowhere does it state that it is a ceremonial dance. Is it a ceremonial dance to certain tribes? I am sorry for my retaliating behavior before, I am just trying to learn all of the different ways things are done.

u said u came here to learn people are telling u and u are arguing...not a very good student r u...

quicksilverwade · 11-28-2005, 04:25 PM

Man these fat stealing wasicu pigskins are really something. First they take our fat and now they take our dances. All they want is to engorge their pitiful bodies and spit in our faces.

**Wojapi4Me** · 11-28-2005, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Allogagan Nimat

The reason why I asked is because I know that the people that I am involved with do not know all of the answers. This is why I came here, to broaden my horizon to the many different ways to do Native American Dances. I have read some books on the Eagle Dance and nowhere does it state that it is a ceremonial dance. Is it a ceremonial dance to certain tribes? I am sorry for my retaliating behavior before, I am just trying to learn all of the different ways things are done.

First off, don't tell people to shut their mouth when they are simply voicing their opinions. This is an open forum and views are not edited unless they delve into profanity so you were in the wrong to tell Cloud to shut his mouth.

Secondly, yes this is a ceremonial dance and is performed by numerous tribes from coast to coast. Now, it is not the same dance and is performed very differently from tribe to tribe.

Thirdly, why the attitude? You are not an Indian and have no knowledge of these ways whatsoever. You may be a teenager which I feel you probably are, but in this arena and in these ways, you are but an infant.

If you want people to help you, ask questions, be polite, and don't argue with people when you get an answer - even if it is one you don't want to hear.

quicksilverwade · 11-29-2005, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Allogagan Nimat

You need to keep your mouth shut when it comes to telling people what to do and what not to do, when you do not even know who they are. You are making a invalid asumption about my team. Yes, it may be true that SOME OA groups show disrespect to Native Americans and I apoligize for them, but all Arrowmen are not like that. Our lodge has many people who know customs and traditions of different Native American Tribes, so we will learn the dance the right way or we will not perform it.

Yours in WWW,

Allogagan Nimat

May I wish the Arrowmen to fall flat on their turkey feathers?

p.s. Can somebody explain this crock of bull?

The Chapters of Waupecan Lodge are looking for Ceremonial Principles for the Webelos Crossover Ceremonies. Talk to your Chapter Chief for more information.

Paul G · 11-29-2005, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Allogagan Nimat

The reason why I asked is because I know that the people that I am involved with do not know all of the answers. This is why I came here, to broaden my horizon to the many different ways to do Native American Dances. I have read some books on the Eagle Dance and nowhere does it state that it is a ceremonial dance. Is it a ceremonial dance to certain tribes? I am sorry for my retaliating behavior before, I am just trying to learn all of the different ways things are done.

As a member of the Order of the Arrow, I'm embarrassed by your actions here.

You've come on to a Native site and disrespected the people here. Is this how you act when you go into someone else's home?

You are a guest here, please behave as such!

Granted the answer you were given was a bit harsh. However, that does not give you the right to lash out.

And people wonder why the OA is hated! It's this type of arrogant behavior that does it!

Allogagan Nimat · 11-29-2005, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by quicksilverwade

May I wish the Arrowmen to fall flat on their turkey feathers?

p.s. Can somebody explain this crock of bull?

The Chapters of Waupecan Lodg

11-22-2005, 12:52 AM	#1 (permalink)
Allogagan Nimat Traditional Dancer Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 16	Eagle Dance Hello Everyone! I am a youth who is in charge of a Order of the Arrow Lodge Dance Team. We have been asked to perform a Eagle Dance. Is this correct to do? If so, how is it done? It will be around January so we have time to learn it. Any help will be appreciated. Yours in WWW, Allogagan Nimat

11-23-2005, 12:48 PM	#2 (permalink)
CloudN9ne Lavender Hill Mobb Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Tha Rez Posts: 207	my answer to this is no you shouldn't be learning dances that have a ceremonial purpose. you guys should be shut down because you give natives a real bad name. __________________ "Go Make Sweat!!!" -Sonny Kennedy- 2003 don't get mad at me im just a critic

11-23-2005, 10:18 PM	#3 (permalink)
Miz-mowhawky Ir0quois JinglA Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: P.E.I.=( Posts: 50	ouch ....yup..ouch...lol..i never heard of this dance...what is it? __________________ They said nobodys perfect!but they said practise makes perfect!make up your mind!

11-25-2005, 03:32 AM	#8 (permalink)
basikakwe Pow Wow Visitor Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: the_Cave Posts: 13	Interesting...just wondering why you need to ask? Sounds like you gonna do this anyway, irregardless of what anybody says. What does your 'elders' say? Yeah, right! __________________ Saayahh!..What the...!

11-24-2005, 10:06 PM	#5 (permalink)
badmaninc PowWows.com Addicts Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Saanich Tribes, B.C. Posts: 3,087	BLAH, BLAH, BLAH........You know how many times we have heard all of this, people say they come on here to learn this respectfully. If you had any respect for what you were asking you should know enough to go and speak to the Elders from where you are. You just want a bunch of people who you don't know to give you blanket approval of what you are doing. When we don't you start telling people to shut up. If you say you have people who know the right ways of teaching why bother coming on here to seek approval. The answer, the people who know don't know very much. Most ndns on here get tired of peeps coming on here using us to get information so that you can actually say some of my best friends are Native americans or First Nation. Take your pick sparky. People are tired of playing this game so why don't you go speak to the people in your area if you are truly sincere. The people who know the traditional teachings should at least know who the Elders are in your area.

11-28-2005, 04:25 PM	#11 (permalink)
quicksilverwade Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: South of the Deadly San Andreas Fault Posts: 1,555	Man these fat stealing wasicu pigskins are really something. First they take our fat and now they take our dances. All they want is to engorge their pitiful bodies and spit in our faces.