THE CHEROKEE Thread

WhoMe · 10-31-2005, 03:55 PM

I have run into more Cherokees at powwows than almost any other tribe. The Cherokee host two excellent powwows: The Cherokee 4 of July Powwow in Cherokee, North Carolina and the Cherokee Holiday Powwow in Tahlequah, Oklahoma.

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There are 3 federally recognized groups of Cherokees: The Cherokee Nation (Tahlequah, OK), Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians (Cherokee, NC) and United Keetoowah Band of Cherokees (Park Hill, OK). The former Delaware Tribe of Indians (Bartlesville, OK) has technically been absorbed into the Cherokee Nation.

Today, there are many full blood Cherokees who are still very traditional and speak their language. I have had the priviledge of attending a tribal council meeting of the United Keetoowah Band in which most of the meeting was communicated in the Cherokee Language. I have also met many language speakers from the Oklahoma Cherokees in the Vian, Bell and Stillwell communities as well as language speakers from the North Carolina Cherokees of the Bird Town, Wolf Town and Soco communities. Needless to say, THERE ARE TRADITIONAL CHEROKEE!

With this said, some may ask "what about all the others who claim to be Cherokee?"

To this I say here are other Cherokee bands that I have come across:

Cherokee River Indian Community (Alabama)
Cherokee Band of NE Alabama
Cherokee Band of SE Alabama
United Cherokee of AniYunWiya Nation (Alabama)
Wolf Creek Cherokee Tribe (Alabama)
Echota Cherokee (Alabama)
White River Band of Northern Cherokee of Missouri and Alabama
Southeastern Cherokee (Alabama)
Lost Cherokee Nation of Arkansas and Missouri
Cherokee of California
Eastern Cherokee of Georgia
Cherokee of Georgia Tribal Council
Red Nation of the Cherokee (Kansas)
Southern Cherokee Nation of Kentucky
Amonsoquath Tribe of Cherokee (Missouri)
Northern Cherokee Nation of Old Louisana Territory (Missouri)
Northern Cherokee Nation of Missouri
Western Cherokee Nation of Missouri
Tallige Cherokee Nation (Ohio)
Chikamaka-Cherokee of South Cumberland Plateau (Tennessee)
Far Away Cherokee (Tennessee)
Tsalagiya Nvdagi/Cherokees in Texas
Cherokee Nation of Mexico

This is only the tip of the iceburg. In one site called "buyer beware," there are over 200 Cherokee tribes and organizations. Most of these "organizations" have a Chief. Some are also soliciting donations for cultural preservation.

geronimo · 10-31-2005, 04:51 PM

Good Lord.........that's a lot of groups

WhoMe · 10-31-2005, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by geronimo

Good Lord.........that's a lot of groups

That's why statistically, the Cherokee are THE largest tribe in America!

Anybody else run across other Cherokee tribal groups?

***Mystic*** · 10-31-2005, 05:40 PM

Hey what about the United Cherokee Indian Tribe of Virginia....that's where my people are from!

Wow, I didn't have any idea it was that many Cherokee groups. I learn something new everyday!

**CandaePrincess** · 10-31-2005, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by WhoMe

That's why statistically, the Cherokee are THE largest tribe in America!

Anybody else run across other Cherokee tribal groups?

They're the largest tribe b/c you can be 1/512 and be considered Cherokee.

opwaaganasin · 10-31-2005, 09:09 PM

russel standing rock said this at a powwow one time. "i want to know who the cherokee princess was that had all these white babies?" damn near died laughing

geronimo · 10-31-2005, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by *CherokeeTears*

Hey what about the United Cherokee Indian Tribe of Virginia....that's where my people are from!

Wow, I didn't have any idea it was that many Cherokee groups. I learn something new everyday!

ummmmmm, yeah..............

**Wojapi4Me** · 11-01-2005, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by *CherokeeTears*

Hey what about the United Cherokee Indian Tribe of Virginia....that's where my people are from!

Wow, I didn't have any idea it was that many Cherokee groups. I learn something new everyday!

Wow

Siyo!

Well, there are that many Cherokee "groups" but only three Cherokee tribes. No doubt members of some of these groups do have a bona fide Cherokee heritage...no doubt in my mind about that...but those are few and far between and they don't constitute a tribe. Tribes remain strong groups of people throughout time and history...they don't organize in 1996, incorporate in 1997, apply for federal recognition in 1998 and gripe about not getting that recognition in 1999. Not quite how it works...but its certainly the way many of these "groups" operate.

As for traditional Cherokees...yes there are some. More in Oklahoma than here in North Carolina, but there are some in both communities. The language is dying out at an alarming rate. Here there is a language immersion program for infants, but the problem is it only has 8 babies in there right now, and won't have any more slots open for another five years. So, 8 kids get to have that chance, but no one else.

I am proud that my daughter is a native Cherokee speaker and fluent in the language. She wasn't in that program...didn't start until after she was already two, but she learned from her grandparents.

So, there are traditional Cherokees, but there's a lot more Baptist, bible-thumping Cherokees. Oh, and as for blood quantums, the Eastern Band's is 1/16, United Keetoowah Band's is 1/4, and the Cherokee Nation doesn't have one...just have to prove lineal descendancy back to their original roll.

Sgi.

**~pathwalker~** · 11-01-2005, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by CandaePrincess

They're the largest tribe b/c you can be 1/512 and be considered Cherokee.

AlmostThere · 11-01-2005, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by CandaePrincess

They're the largest tribe b/c you can be 1/512 and be considered Cherokee.

gOOT oNE--->
ooooooo--SO THAT WHY THERES SO MANY.....

**walela49** · 11-01-2005, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by WhoMe

In one site called "buyer beware," there are over 200 Cherokee tribes and organizations. Most of these "organizations" have a Chief. Some are also soliciting donations for cultural preservation.

are such solicitations legal?
are these "organizations" formed as 501-C-3 "non-profit" groups then??
I'm so confused by this!

WhoMe · 11-01-2005, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by walela49

are such solicitations legal?
are these "organizations" formed as 501-C-3 "non-profit" groups then??
I'm so confused by this!

Yes, they are legal if they have incorporated under nonprofit status.

But instead of having a CEO, Director or President, most have "chiefs." That is why there are so many "Cherokee chiefs."

I still haven't got a good answer why there are so many people who are descendents of....

Cherokee Princess's ???

Seriously, I wonder how traditional Cherokee feel about this?

**walela49** · 11-01-2005, 01:25 PM

so do these groups really ever stand a chance of gaining federal recognition as a tribe?

10-31-2005, 03:55 PM	#1 (permalink)
WhoMe PauWau Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Land of 370 Broken Treaties Posts: 5,559	THE CHEROKEE Thread I have run into more Cherokees at powwows than almost any other tribe. The Cherokee host two excellent powwows: The Cherokee 4 of July Powwow in Cherokee, North Carolina and the Cherokee Holiday Powwow in Tahlequah, Oklahoma. ___ There are 3 federally recognized groups of Cherokees: The Cherokee Nation (Tahlequah, OK), Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians (Cherokee, NC) and United Keetoowah Band of Cherokees (Park Hill, OK). The former Delaware Tribe of Indians (Bartlesville, OK) has technically been absorbed into the Cherokee Nation. Today, there are many full blood Cherokees who are still very traditional and speak their language. I have had the priviledge of attending a tribal council meeting of the United Keetoowah Band in which most of the meeting was communicated in the Cherokee Language. I have also met many language speakers from the Oklahoma Cherokees in the Vian, Bell and Stillwell communities as well as language speakers from the North Carolina Cherokees of the Bird Town, Wolf Town and Soco communities. Needless to say, THERE ARE TRADITIONAL CHEROKEE! With this said, some may ask "what about all the others who claim to be Cherokee?" To this I say here are other Cherokee bands that I have come across: Cherokee River Indian Community (Alabama) Cherokee Band of NE Alabama Cherokee Band of SE Alabama United Cherokee of AniYunWiya Nation (Alabama) Wolf Creek Cherokee Tribe (Alabama) Echota Cherokee (Alabama) White River Band of Northern Cherokee of Missouri and Alabama Southeastern Cherokee (Alabama) Lost Cherokee Nation of Arkansas and Missouri Cherokee of California Eastern Cherokee of Georgia Cherokee of Georgia Tribal Council Red Nation of the Cherokee (Kansas) Southern Cherokee Nation of Kentucky Amonsoquath Tribe of Cherokee (Missouri) Northern Cherokee Nation of Old Louisana Territory (Missouri) Northern Cherokee Nation of Missouri Western Cherokee Nation of Missouri Tallige Cherokee Nation (Ohio) Chikamaka-Cherokee of South Cumberland Plateau (Tennessee) Far Away Cherokee (Tennessee) Tsalagiya Nvdagi/Cherokees in Texas Cherokee Nation of Mexico This is only the tip of the iceburg. In one site called "buyer beware," there are over 200 Cherokee tribes and organizations. Most of these "organizations" have a Chief. Some are also soliciting donations for cultural preservation. __________________ "Today, recognizing and respecting the origins of powwow aids in our Cultural Survival. If enough people break the rules because they are not satisfied...."We will have no culture." WhoMe

10-31-2005, 04:51 PM	#2 (permalink)
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11-01-2005, 01:25 PM	#13 (permalink)
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