THE CHEROKEE Thread - Page 11

**Josiah** · 03-21-2008, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by FluteMaker

i did look up the regs on bingo in ohio, josiah..... pretty much any 501c3 can apply for a permit under the charitable gaming laws to run bingo. but not more than two sessions in a 7 day period and not between the hours of 12 midnight and 10 am. it also says that nobody directly related to running the game can be paid for thier time or services. im sure theres more restrictions,but thats just off the top

Ohio Gaming Law

Dang
So they got a little greedy on there bottom line and now busted untill the pay up there fees
The one constant in this life is you will pay taxes!
Even after Death your estate will pay taxes
Th IRS has brought more criminals to justice and made it stick then the FBI ever did
Just ask yourself who brought Al Capone to Justice??
Not Jay Edgar Hoover thats for sure
It was some Civil Servant in the IRS

How bout the Governor of New York just recently in the news
Same thing
Civil Servant in the IRS
I think they should run the Police
Never have another Problem
LOL

**Josiah** · 03-26-2008, 01:39 PM

Main NEWS Section - Cherokee Nation
Tulsa, Oklahoma (AP) 3-08

Members of Congress plan to send a letter to the director of the Bureau of Indian Affairs seeking clarification on the status of the Cherokee Nation Freedmen descendants and why the agency has not done more to end the controversy.

Four lawmakers, including U.S. Rep. Diane Watson, met during late March with BIA director Carl Artman.

Watson, D-Calif., has been the most vocal congressional critic of the Cherokee Nation and its efforts to deny citizenship to descendants of former slaves. She said the tribe and the BIA need more oversight on the issue and told the Tulsa World’s Washington bureau that she is concerned the Freedmen descendants are being treated as temporary members of the tribe.

They are not being issued cards they could use to receive certain benefits, she said.

“From what I understand they haven’t issued one,” Watson said.

A tribe spokesman said the descendants still have access to services.

Another issue raised at the meeting with Artman involved what some see as different approaches by the BIA on the issue with the Cherokee and Seminole nations.

Watson has introduced legislation to strip the Cherokee Nation of its federal funding to get the tribe to give up on its efforts to rescind citizenship of the Freedmen descendants.

Last year, nearly 77 percent of Cherokee voters decided in a special election to amend the nation’s constitution to remove the Freedmen descendants and other non-Indians from tribal rolls.

Critics of the vote, however, noted that only 9,000 of the tribe’s 270,000 membership cast ballots.

Critics of the vote, however, noted that only 9,000 of the tribe’s 270,000 membership cast ballots.

Reps. John Conyers, D-Mich., chairman of the House Judiciary Committee; Barney Frank, D-Mass., chairman of the House Financial Services Committee; and Mel Watt, D-N.C., a key player on the issue for the Congressional Black Caucus, also attended the meeting with Artman.

Nedra Darling, a spokeswoman for Artman, confirmed that the meeting with the four lawmakers took place but said some of the issues raised by the lawmakers should be addressed by the Cherokee Nation.

As for the Seminole Nation, Darling said that tribe sued the BIA over the Freedmen descendants issue and did not have its own court system, unlike the Cherokee Nation.

Last year, Artman said an 1866 treaty between the United States and the Cherokee Nation affirmed the citizenship rights of the Freedmen, adding that the government would consider taking the tribe to court to make sure it lives up to that treaty.

Cherokee Nation spokesman Mike Miller said the 2,867 Freedmen descendants who were reinstated last year pending the outcome of ongoing litigation continue to receive health care and other services. They also have the right to vote, Miller said.

“CDIB cards are given out by the U.S. government,” he said. “Only people who can show documentation of degrees of Indian blood can receive them by federal law.”

CHEROSAGE · 03-27-2008, 01:46 AM

SO, Josiah, IS the US Govn't going to live by the 1866 treaty, the 1895 Constitution, any other agreement, or the Dawes Commission?

**Josiah** · 03-27-2008, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by CHEROSAGE

SO, Josiah, IS the US Govn't going to live by the 1866 treaty, the 1895 Constitution, any other agreement, or the Dawes Commission?

Dont you find this ironic that they are making us hold to this one treaty from 1866???
I mean when you listen to this woman that is what she is saying and totally ignoring everything else that has ever happened...
Its amazing how it flip flops

I dont know how this is going to come out, I do know that the BIA no longer wants to be involved in day to day affairs like they once were. They dont have the funding or budgets to do that, After 100 years they have closed Tahlequah agency completely and the tribe now does all those functions.

We shall see but I see this as a test case for tribal sovereignty and to exercise the authority supposedly granted to us.

RainbowSpiriDancer · 03-30-2008, 11:18 PM

A very funny thing happened to me last week. I received an email from a historian that viewed my website. He told me that he visited and read my genealogy page. He told me that he recognized several of my bloodline surnames as being Cherokee and it's very possible that many of my Ancestors are Cherokee.

He said that since I've done so much genealogy research and found so much information, he was surprised that I don't enroll with the Eastern Band of Cherokee here in North Carolina. I told him that I've never been enrolled in a tribe and the only way that I would even consider it is if a Cherokee Elder or Tribal Council Member invite me to submit an application. I've always known that I have a Cherokee Ancestry but I'm mixed with several NDN Nations as well. Plus I'm not the type of person that would demand an application because I know that I have Cherokee roots. I'm not a pushy person and I wait for invitation. In fact, I didn't even register for this site until I received an invitation. That's just my way.

Plus I've learned that if someone tries to push their way, they usually get pushed away. I've encountered many pushy people, in my lifetime.

John Cornsilk · 03-30-2008, 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josiah

Dont you find this ironic that they are making us hold to this one treaty from 1866???
I mean when you listen to this woman that is what she is saying and totally ignoring everything else that has ever happened...
Its amazing how it flip flops

I dont know how this is going to come out, I do know that the BIA no longer wants to be involved in day to day affairs like they once were. They dont have the funding or budgets to do that, After 100 years they have closed Tahlequah agency completely and the tribe now does all those functions.

We shall see but I see this as a test case for tribal sovereignty and to exercise the authority supposedly granted to us.

Hey Josiah,
How come ya didn stick around and debate, druther be over here mungst these wannabees playin like a cherokee that knows shyt!! Spend dome time amongst us real Cherokee and lurn you some stuff!

John C.

timmy tiger · 03-30-2008, 11:36 PM

First of all I am very surprised that any "historian" told you to enroll. I have found that many "Historians" don't really know all that much about Indian tribes and their enrollement qualifications. I don't know who this historian is or where they are from, so I am not trying to be judgemental or put that person down, just stating what I have found. Now, first of all the EBC (Eastern Band Of Cherokee Indians) have a blood quantium ruling and if you do not qualify there, you will NOT be able to enroll. Another thing is is just because the names "Look" Cherokee, doesn't mean that they are. In order to prove that you must find those names on the actual Rolls of the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians and then verify that they are yours, not just the same names--but different people--they must actually be the same people as the ones on the rolls. Then the other ruling of the EBC is that you must find your relatives on the 1924 Baker Rolls to enroll with the Tribe. There are many qualifications that must be met before enrollment is completed and just looking doesn't mean that you qualify. I'm sorry, but he's not telling you everything---maybe he doesn't know.

**Josiah** · 03-31-2008, 07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Cornsilk

Hey Josiah,
How come ya didn stick around and debate, druther be over here mungst these wannabees playin like a cherokee that knows shyt!! Spend dome time amongst us real Cherokee and lurn you some stuff!

John C.

Well John if you must know
This website is also made of People That Powwow
So I read and post in those thread like
The Straight Dance thread, Gourd Dance thread
I am a Ndn Veteran so there are all those threads
My good friend KiowaKat likes to post here also so of course I post there
Okie Thread which is made up of Ndn's from all over Oklahoma some of whom I have met in person

And Finally the Cherokee Threads which are only a few

I plan on continueing to come back and reading your website and I actually did that last night when I had a chance and a moments peace
I did not read anything that I needed to post to you had already said it all

Josiah

RainbowSpiriDancer · 03-31-2008, 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timmy tiger

First of all I am very surprised that any "historian" told you to enroll. I have found that many "Historians" don't really know all that much about Indian tribes and their enrollement qualifications. I don't know who this historian is or where they are from, so I am not trying to be judgemental or put that person down, just stating what I have found. Now, first of all the EBC (Eastern Band Of Cherokee Indians) have a blood quantium ruling and if you do not qualify there, you will NOT be able to enroll. Another thing is is just because the names "Look" Cherokee, doesn't mean that they are. In order to prove that you must find those names on the actual Rolls of the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians and then verify that they are yours, not just the same names--but different people--they must actually be the same people as the ones on the rolls. Then the other ruling of the EBC is that you must find your relatives on the 1924 Baker Rolls to enroll with the Tribe. There are many qualifications that must be met before enrollment is completed and just looking doesn't mean that you qualify. I'm sorry, but he's not telling you everything---maybe he doesn't know.

Thanks for your comment but it really doesn't matter what he or anyone else says. I have no intentions of enrolling or attempting to enroll. And with all due respect, even if an Elder or Tribal Council Members suggest it, I really don't feel like going through all the paperwork.

RainbowSpiriDancer · 03-31-2008, 10:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by timmy tiger

First of all I am very surprised that any "historian" told you to enroll. I have found that many "Historians" don't really know all that much about Indian tribes and their enrollement qualifications. I don't know who this historian is or where they are from, so I am not trying to be judgemental or put that person down, just stating what I have found. Now, first of all the EBC (Eastern Band Of Cherokee Indians) have a blood quantium ruling and if you do not qualify there, you will NOT be able to enroll. Another thing is is just because the names "Look" Cherokee, doesn't mean that they are. In order to prove that you must find those names on the actual Rolls of the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians and then verify that they are yours, not just the same names--but different people--they must actually be the same people as the ones on the rolls. Then the other ruling of the EBC is that you must find your relatives on the 1924 Baker Rolls to enroll with the Tribe. There are many qualifications that must be met before enrollment is completed and just looking doesn't mean that you qualify. I'm sorry, but he's not telling you everything---maybe he doesn't know.

Hey Again,

I came back again to say Timmy Tiger, I appreciate your comments and I don't know anything about the historian. He visited my site and sent me an email. Also, I would like to say with all due respect that I am drawn to the ndn culture and heirtage because it is in my blood. I came to this site to learn and meet new people.

I am not drawn to the ndn culture or this site due to "spirit guides, shamans, sacred ceremonies, pow-wows, jewelry, feathers, dancing, money or a tribal cards." So there is no need for me to worrying about enrolling into any tribe. LOL! However, I am drawn to the ndn culture because I love beauty. And when I say beauty, I really mean as in nature, people's hearts, and spirits. I love the fact that our ndn ancestors were connected to Mother Earth. I love the ideal of sitting still and listening to the trees speak. I love sitting still and listening to the animals. I love sitting still and listening to the wind. I love looking at the stars at night and the clouds during the day. It may sound corney but it's true. I pretty much stay to myself with my two little dogs. I don't really like being in a crowd or involved with large groups of people. Large groups of people argue and sometimes fight including members at tribal meetings. LOL!

It rained here the entire weekend and it is still raining. My house has a tin roof and I love to listen to the sound of the rain. What I want to learn most about the ndn culture is survival and living close to the land. I want to learn how to better plant my vegetable, flower, and herb gardens. I want to lean how to identify trees, herbs, and wildflowers. I want to learn how to identify animals by their tracks. Those are the types of ndn things that I'm concerned about. I've never danced at a pow-wow or wore regalia although I have regalia. But I enjoy meeting folks when I go to the pow-wow and I enjoy collecting pottery. Most of all, I love listening to the drum. So to me, being ndn is survival and respect for the land and others. With all due respect, being an enrolled member into a federal tribe don't mean a hill of beans to me! That's just how I feel!

**Josiah** · 03-31-2008, 11:57 PM

Oh yeah John,
I was in Tahlequah last weekend, Saturday to be exact, At Sequoyah High School at a Powwow. Cherokee Youth Council put on a Powwow and a good dinner also.

03-26-2008, 01:39 PM	#202 (permalink)
Josiah PowWows.com Addicts Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Oklahoma City Oklahoma USA Posts: 4,773 Blog Entries: 4	Congressional members meet with BIA director about Freedmen issue Main NEWS Section - Cherokee Nation Tulsa, Oklahoma (AP) 3-08 Members of Congress plan to send a letter to the director of the Bureau of Indian Affairs seeking clarification on the status of the Cherokee Nation Freedmen descendants and why the agency has not done more to end the controversy. Four lawmakers, including U.S. Rep. Diane Watson, met during late March with BIA director Carl Artman. Watson, D-Calif., has been the most vocal congressional critic of the Cherokee Nation and its efforts to deny citizenship to descendants of former slaves. She said the tribe and the BIA need more oversight on the issue and told the Tulsa World’s Washington bureau that she is concerned the Freedmen descendants are being treated as temporary members of the tribe. They are not being issued cards they could use to receive certain benefits, she said. “From what I understand they haven’t issued one,” Watson said. A tribe spokesman said the descendants still have access to services. Another issue raised at the meeting with Artman involved what some see as different approaches by the BIA on the issue with the Cherokee and Seminole nations. Watson has introduced legislation to strip the Cherokee Nation of its federal funding to get the tribe to give up on its efforts to rescind citizenship of the Freedmen descendants. Last year, nearly 77 percent of Cherokee voters decided in a special election to amend the nation’s constitution to remove the Freedmen descendants and other non-Indians from tribal rolls. Critics of the vote, however, noted that only 9,000 of the tribe’s 270,000 membership cast ballots. Critics of the vote, however, noted that only 9,000 of the tribe’s 270,000 membership cast ballots. Reps. John Conyers, D-Mich., chairman of the House Judiciary Committee; Barney Frank, D-Mass., chairman of the House Financial Services Committee; and Mel Watt, D-N.C., a key player on the issue for the Congressional Black Caucus, also attended the meeting with Artman. Nedra Darling, a spokeswoman for Artman, confirmed that the meeting with the four lawmakers took place but said some of the issues raised by the lawmakers should be addressed by the Cherokee Nation. As for the Seminole Nation, Darling said that tribe sued the BIA over the Freedmen descendants issue and did not have its own court system, unlike the Cherokee Nation. Last year, Artman said an 1866 treaty between the United States and the Cherokee Nation affirmed the citizenship rights of the Freedmen, adding that the government would consider taking the tribe to court to make sure it lives up to that treaty. Cherokee Nation spokesman Mike Miller said the 2,867 Freedmen descendants who were reinstated last year pending the outcome of ongoing litigation continue to receive health care and other services. They also have the right to vote, Miller said. “CDIB cards are given out by the U.S. government,” he said. “Only people who can show documentation of degrees of Indian blood can receive them by federal law.” __________________

03-27-2008, 01:46 AM	#203 (permalink)
CHEROSAGE Pow Wow Committee Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: , mo Posts: 1,351	SO, Josiah, IS the US Govn't going to live by the 1866 treaty, the 1895 Constitution, any other agreement, or the Dawes Commission? __________________ BOB

03-30-2008, 11:18 PM	#205 (permalink)
RainbowSpiriDancer Knowledge Seeker Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: North Carolina Posts: 266	A very funny thing happened to me last week. I received an email from a historian that viewed my website. He told me that he visited and read my genealogy page. He told me that he recognized several of my bloodline surnames as being Cherokee and it's very possible that many of my Ancestors are Cherokee. He said that since I've done so much genealogy research and found so much information, he was surprised that I don't enroll with the Eastern Band of Cherokee here in North Carolina. I told him that I've never been enrolled in a tribe and the only way that I would even consider it is if a Cherokee Elder or Tribal Council Member invite me to submit an application. I've always known that I have a Cherokee Ancestry but I'm mixed with several NDN Nations as well. Plus I'm not the type of person that would demand an application because I know that I have Cherokee roots. I'm not a pushy person and I wait for invitation. In fact, I didn't even register for this site until I received an invitation. That's just my way. Plus I've learned that if someone tries to push their way, they usually get pushed away. I've encountered many pushy people, in my lifetime. __________________ "Do not follow where the path may lead. Go instead where there is not a path and leave a trail."---Ralph Waldo Emerson "It's Now Or Never!" ---Elvis

03-30-2008, 11:36 PM	#207 (permalink)
timmy tiger Head Dancer Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: where ever there are babies or children you can find me Posts: 18,462 Blog Entries: 4	First of all I am very surprised that any "historian" told you to enroll. I have found that many "Historians" don't really know all that much about Indian tribes and their enrollement qualifications. I don't know who this historian is or where they are from, so I am not trying to be judgemental or put that person down, just stating what I have found. Now, first of all the EBC (Eastern Band Of Cherokee Indians) have a blood quantium ruling and if you do not qualify there, you will NOT be able to enroll. Another thing is is just because the names "Look" Cherokee, doesn't mean that they are. In order to prove that you must find those names on the actual Rolls of the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians and then verify that they are yours, not just the same names--but different people--they must actually be the same people as the ones on the rolls. Then the other ruling of the EBC is that you must find your relatives on the 1924 Baker Rolls to enroll with the Tribe. There are many qualifications that must be met before enrollment is completed and just looking doesn't mean that you qualify. I'm sorry, but he's not telling you everything---maybe he doesn't know. Last edited by timmy tiger; 03-30-2008 at 11:38 PM.

03-31-2008, 11:57 PM	#211 (permalink)
Josiah PowWows.com Addicts Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Oklahoma City Oklahoma USA Posts: 4,773 Blog Entries: 4	Oh yeah John, I was in Tahlequah last weekend, Saturday to be exact, At Sequoyah High School at a Powwow. Cherokee Youth Council put on a Powwow and a good dinner also. __________________