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Old 08-15-2005, 08:41 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I have a question....Did any of you hear stories of how the pow-wows used to be run in the past, was there drum pay, judge pay, room & board pay, emcee pay...? It seems that the powwows I remember were mostlyl a social gathering for people to come together. I'd like to hear stories of long long ago....since I lost my pa I like to hear stories of the past and how fun they were..................did other tribes visit and dance with "their enemies" like today, everyone travels to faraway places to participate.
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Old 08-19-2005, 08:25 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I have a question....Did any of you hear stories of how the pow-wows used to be run in the past, was there drum pay, judge pay, room & board pay, emcee pay...? It seems that the powwows I remember were mostlyl a social gathering for people to come together. I'd like to hear stories of long long ago....since I lost my pa I like to hear stories of the past and how fun they were..................did other tribes visit and dance with "their enemies" like today, everyone travels to faraway places to participate.

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I talk to a elder a couple weeks ago she told me she had to take a train to a powwow on the rez she danced with the tribal emenies too.
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Old 08-22-2005, 02:26 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I talk to a elder a couple weeks ago she told me she had to take a train to a powwow on the rez she danced with the tribal emenies too.

I guess no one can decipher my question, but I was wondering how and when all the Tribes made peace and how the social powwows have gotten to the point to where they're at now? I talk in riddles to throw everyone off. Even around here one small town was "enemy" to the next. everyone from a certain small town was thinking their's was better than the rest on the rez. So I imagine that Tribal wars in the past have made peace with every tribe and so international pow-wows came to be?
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I guess no one can decipher my question, but I was wondering how and when all the Tribes made peace and how the social powwows have gotten to the point to where they're at now? I talk in riddles to throw everyone off. Even around here one small town was "enemy" to the next. everyone from a certain small town was thinking their's was better than the rest on the rez. So I imagine that Tribal wars in the past have made peace with every tribe and so international pow-wows came to be?
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I will take a stab at deciphering your question.

In the United States...

many people who belonged to tribes who were traditional enemies, served side-by-side during World War I. Pawnees and Lakota, Hopi and Navaho, Crow and Cheyenne, etc.

This changed the attitudes of these tribal individuals who put theirselves in harms way to protect a traditional enemy during conflict overseas. Both fought on the same side for perhaps the first time in history.

After World War I new ideals were instituted to form the "modern intertribal powwow." For instance, women became more prominent in the powwow arena, the US flag gained a prominent spot in the powwow area and tribal members who were once traditional enemies.... danced to a common drum beat!
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After World War I new ideals were instituted to form the "modern intertribal powwow." For instance, women became more prominent in the powwow arena, the US flag gained a prominent spot in the powwow area and tribal members who were once traditional enemies.... danced to a common drum beat!

You may well be right about this. It all sounds very reasonable.

However, I also find it interesting that even after WWI and WWII, that there continued to be such disrespect, disregard, hatred even between white people and other races such as African Americans and Native Americans. Why did we not see the kind of healing that you speak of in these cases? Is it because of the oppressor/oppressed relationships? That is the only difference I can see. At the tribal level, the enemies were probably more closely matched and in the end, the similarities between the people were stronger than the differences.

I guess in the end, I should be happy that things have progressed to the point that they have. I should have hope that they will get better. And I should pray that we don't forget how bad things can be between people.

WhoMe, thanks for making me think a little bit today :-)

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You may well be right about this. It all sounds very reasonable.

However, I also find it interesting that even after WWI and WWII, that there continued to be such disrespect, disregard, hatred even between white people and other races such as African Americans and Native Americans. Why did we not see the kind of healing that you speak of in these cases? Is it because of the oppressor/oppressed relationships? That is the only difference I can see. At the tribal level, the enemies were probably more closely matched and in the end, the similarities between the people were stronger than the differences.

I guess in the end, I should be happy that things have progressed to the point that they have. I should have hope that they will get better. And I should pray that we don't forget how bad things can be between people.

WhoMe, thanks for making me think a little bit today :-)

(Sorry if I'm off topic a bit)

Yea that's what I'm talking about or at least similar to it...like around here there is skin heads who are definate "haters" of any "minority group", when I traveled with my parents at a young age to various powwows, I can recall white people looking at us like we didn't belong in that particular restaurant. That was in Idaho and Montana. I suppose if we made a trip nowadays it would still be the same? I heard there was a KKK in Cascade Locks, Oregon a week or so ago, man that's where our tribal fishermen also fish. So much controversy in this world.....I'm thankful to our Creator that us Indian people have a bonding for one another! Pow-wows a binding bond.......
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