same drum competing at different powwows

12kid · 05-25-2005, 12:49 AM

Question:

this past weekend High Noon won at Loon Lake and also Yorkton. Is it appropriate for them to compete at different powwows using the same name?

**chazziff** · 05-25-2005, 01:52 AM

why not other drum groups do it - host jobs at different pow wows on the same weekend. if they have enough guys to lead for "both" groups and still sound good enough to win both drum contests, more power to them. i've also heard of drum groups that sent some guys to sing one place and others to another pow wow and they both sounded crappy..

besides ron went to loon lake and ted went to yorkton and both brothers have the "right" to use the name hign noon - both of them together established this group. now it would have been something to talk about if one of them forced the other use another name...just two cents..

DaBear23 · 05-25-2005, 12:15 PM

I madly agree with this guy right here.Both bros started that group they should be able to use the name whenever they want. But lets say someone that used to be on thr group and went to a powwow using the groups name he used to belong too without tellin that group wasup...then no doubt peeps will start havin problems with that. Buddy before me said it perfectly....if a group has the ability to split the group and sound good at both powwows the all the power to them...or even if they dont sound good...who cares...its all about the powwow and havin fun..plus it gets the name out their even more. Thats what i think i anyways...if its ur group u can send ur boyz anywhere as long as they feelin it..

sltate · 05-25-2005, 01:43 PM

Ron and Ted are High Noon, no matter what crew they have with them. So, if they choose to attend separate pow wows, they are still High Noon. And the quality of the singing stays the same because they are both excellent lead singers, sing the appropriate songs for whatever occasion or category, and just have the talent to win the competition or be the host drum.

wyldhoss · 05-25-2005, 04:01 PM

I Guess I Was Waiting For This To Come Up...i Think That Every Group Has The Right To Use Their Respected Group Name When They Feel Like It...i Know Some Drums Have Enuff Singers To Split Their Groups Every Weekend...some Singers Want To Go This And The Others Want To Go That Way...i Know For A Fact That Ted Wanted To Go To Yorkton And Ron Wanted To Go To Loon Lake...closer For Each Of Them...they Still Had Enuff Singers To Split Their Crew...how Do I Know This...i Sang With Ted In Yorkton...i Would've Went To Loon Lake And Sang With Ron...but I Wanted To Go Yorkton...in The End It's All The Same Sound...same Songs...same Beat...some Can't Even Accomplish The Same Thing No Matter Who They Are...in The End Is It Fair...yes I Think So 'cos It's Been Ron And Ted Alll This Time With High Noon...i Can't Even Imagine High Noon With Out One Of Them...they Canuse Their Name Anytime They Want...and I Guarantee You Will See Some Familar Faces At The Drum No Matter Who Is There...it Is All In The Name Of Powwow....

12kid · 05-25-2005, 05:45 PM

I know that some powwow committees will now want the full group to be in attendance for a host job because they don't want to pay full price for a pickup group. Also I disagree High Noon does not sound the same there needs to be Ted and Ron to truly sound like High Noon other than a real good sounding Pick Up Crew. Moreover its like Boss not being there for Wild Horse...its just not the same.

**chazziff** · 05-25-2005, 08:08 PM

guess that would be on the pow wow committee's shoulder to ensure who they are paying for..some committees deduct some cash if it isn't who they enlisted and who actually showed up. but most don't know the actual people who make up the group(s) - just the name.

next year both high noons..lol.. have to return to the respective pow wows they won to host and apparently they sounded goot enough to win. and they will sound goot enough to host and rock da house again. but hey i wasn't at either pow wow so i wouldn't know how either one of them sounded...

besides wild horse or any other group for that matter wouldn't set up without their main lead singer. if they did they would use another name..if they know any better. its just in this case high noon has two..

jerich · 05-26-2005, 12:46 AM

i agree with Trev hey trev i got a dinawo hockey jersey i'll trade it for 5 ps2 games that work :D just to let yah know i know you want something to go with that hat i gave you

uw_n8iv · 05-26-2005, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by chazziff

guess that would be on the pow wow committee's shoulder to ensure who they are paying for..some committees deduct some cash if it isn't who they enlisted and who actually showed up. but most don't know the actual people who make up the group(s) - just the name.

next year both high noons..lol.. have to return to the respective pow wows they won to host and apparently they sounded goot enough to win. and they will sound goot enough to host and rock da house again. but hey i wasn't at either pow wow so i wouldn't know how either one of them sounded...

besides wild horse or any other group for that matter wouldn't set up without their main lead singer. if they did they would use another name..if they know any better. its just in this case high noon has two..

they don't HAVE to return to the respective powwows as Hosts next year.
Who the committees choose to host their powwow is a different question. I know committees that say they want at least 10 singers or a particular lead singer to come & put in the contract, but I don't personally agree with that.

Whether hosting or competing...I say let the singers decide how they want to represent themselves. If they come to the powwow and sound bad*ss then people will remember that...if they come to the powwow and sound terrible - the people will remember that.

High Noon won both at both powwows. They're just that good.

Lesley Smoke · 05-26-2005, 03:01 PM

who cares, high noon is high noon, either way they still sound awesome!!!!! lol

**rkbtmeyb** · 05-26-2005, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12kid

Question:

this past weekend High Noon won at Loon Lake and also Yorkton. Is it appropriate for them to compete at different powwows using the same name?

Must have gotten whooped by drum group in question. LOL

sir_snagalot · 05-26-2005, 03:33 PM

This is a interesting but logical answer,

i think its inappropriate to have your drum name in two different places at once....its almost kinda stupid. It makes no sense and yes, you are a group under a name etc. but what are we teaching our youth if we show up at more than one powwow or one anything just to win the show.

Its just as if the pistons were to split their team or name in half and show up at the finals in two different cities for two games on the same weekend.......just to have better odds of winning and being champs and defending their title..........

my question is why would anyone want to split or have their name in two different places at once. Do champion powwow dancers tell their brother or sister to go to a different powwow and pose as them on the same weekend with same name so the odds of winning are greater.....then why would a drum group?.... and let me make this point,

is it the name of the people who carry it or isnt the name of the actual physical drum and people who work hard to make it a group the ones who should actually be there?

ive seen in the past some drums split their name or split their singers to have better chances of winning, or to have more hosting spots, and its sad. But i guess its all for the money right? where the honor and respect in that?

other people will have disagreement with me and thats fine, its just all about what your intentions are when you go to a powwow and how you were raised.

I think any of you who are a loyal sweetheart or lover would understand, cuz its almost like being cheated on , where your companion is seein someone else and thats generally unfair to your loyalty.

12kid · 05-26-2005, 04:37 PM

I put this question on just for curiosity plus points so I have absolutely no ill feelings toward any drum group just being objective.

**chazziff** · 05-26-2005, 07:49 PM

ted and ron didn't intentionly try to go out and TRY win both drumming/singing contests this past weekend for stated before - greed/money. ted lives near yorkton and therefore closer for him to go to painted hand and it was closer for ron to go to loon lake. they both wanted to sing this weekend and thats what it comes down to. they just couldn't do it together. so be it if they both sounded goot enough to place.

hoka grasser · 05-27-2005, 08:32 PM

Yeah it used to be like only one powwow, but back in the late 80's Blacklodge started splitting up and covering 2 powwows by the mid 90's they were covering 3-4 powwwows, so many members and so little time (not to mention drum-splits).

At first it seemed so 'wrong' but that's powwow, there are no overall rules, every powwow is different and it's also about survival so and Indians have always had it so bad, they are making ends meet by making more money via splitting the crews yet using the name.

It was unfair to the other drums that showed up to compete, buuut, it is a "competition" after all.

The pw committee's are catching on though and them negotiated rates & deals that go down in writing are valid and when you got lotsa "filler singers" then it does suck.

Yes this ain't tradish but like the history of pw's we're forever changing how it's done.

05-25-2005, 12:49 AM	#1 (permalink)
12kid Pow Wow Visitor Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11	same drum competing at different powwows Question: this past weekend High Noon won at Loon Lake and also Yorkton. Is it appropriate for them to compete at different powwows using the same name?

05-25-2005, 01:52 AM	#2 (permalink)
chazziff YO!! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in a big sleigh bed Posts: 6,517	why not other drum groups do it - host jobs at different pow wows on the same weekend. if they have enough guys to lead for "both" groups and still sound good enough to win both drum contests, more power to them. i've also heard of drum groups that sent some guys to sing one place and others to another pow wow and they both sounded crappy.. besides ron went to loon lake and ted went to yorkton and both brothers have the "right" to use the name hign noon - both of them together established this group. now it would have been something to talk about if one of them forced the other use another name...just two cents.. __________________ See I wanna move, but can't escape from you So I keep it low, keep a secret code So everybody else don't have to know So keep ya love locked down

05-25-2005, 12:15 PM	#3 (permalink)
DaBear23 Tha ReZoNatEr Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Afton ReZ Nova Scotia Posts: 506	word... I madly agree with this guy right here.Both bros started that group they should be able to use the name whenever they want. But lets say someone that used to be on thr group and went to a powwow using the groups name he used to belong too without tellin that group wasup...then no doubt peeps will start havin problems with that. Buddy before me said it perfectly....if a group has the ability to split the group and sound good at both powwows the all the power to them...or even if they dont sound good...who cares...its all about the powwow and havin fun..plus it gets the name out their even more. Thats what i think i anyways...if its ur group u can send ur boyz anywhere as long as they feelin it..

05-25-2005, 04:01 PM	#5 (permalink)
wyldhoss MO' PHAT STYLE Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: CUT KNIFE HILL Posts: 37	two high noon's I Guess I Was Waiting For This To Come Up...i Think That Every Group Has The Right To Use Their Respected Group Name When They Feel Like It...i Know Some Drums Have Enuff Singers To Split Their Groups Every Weekend...some Singers Want To Go This And The Others Want To Go That Way...i Know For A Fact That Ted Wanted To Go To Yorkton And Ron Wanted To Go To Loon Lake...closer For Each Of Them...they Still Had Enuff Singers To Split Their Crew...how Do I Know This...i Sang With Ted In Yorkton...i Would've Went To Loon Lake And Sang With Ron...but I Wanted To Go Yorkton...in The End It's All The Same Sound...same Songs...same Beat...some Can't Even Accomplish The Same Thing No Matter Who They Are...in The End Is It Fair...yes I Think So 'cos It's Been Ron And Ted Alll This Time With High Noon...i Can't Even Imagine High Noon With Out One Of Them...they Canuse Their Name Anytime They Want...and I Guarantee You Will See Some Familar Faces At The Drum No Matter Who Is There...it Is All In The Name Of Powwow.... __________________ R.I.P SHIANNE BAPTISTE-BULL

05-25-2005, 05:45 PM	#6 (permalink)
12kid Pow Wow Visitor Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11	expanding on the question I know that some powwow committees will now want the full group to be in attendance for a host job because they don't want to pay full price for a pickup group. Also I disagree High Noon does not sound the same there needs to be Ted and Ron to truly sound like High Noon other than a real good sounding Pick Up Crew. Moreover its like Boss not being there for Wild Horse...its just not the same.

05-25-2005, 01:43 PM	#4 (permalink)
sltate Senior Dancer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: apache,ok Posts: 559	Ron and Ted are High Noon, no matter what crew they have with them. So, if they choose to attend separate pow wows, they are still High Noon. And the quality of the singing stays the same because they are both excellent lead singers, sing the appropriate songs for whatever occasion or category, and just have the talent to win the competition or be the host drum.

05-25-2005, 08:08 PM	#7 (permalink)
chazziff YO!! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in a big sleigh bed Posts: 6,517	guess that would be on the pow wow committee's shoulder to ensure who they are paying for..some committees deduct some cash if it isn't who they enlisted and who actually showed up. but most don't know the actual people who make up the group(s) - just the name. next year both high noons..lol.. have to return to the respective pow wows they won to host and apparently they sounded goot enough to win. and they will sound goot enough to host and rock da house again. but hey i wasn't at either pow wow so i wouldn't know how either one of them sounded... besides wild horse or any other group for that matter wouldn't set up without their main lead singer. if they did they would use another name..if they know any better. its just in this case high noon has two.. __________________ See I wanna move, but can't escape from you So I keep it low, keep a secret code So everybody else don't have to know So keep ya love locked down

05-26-2005, 12:46 AM	#8 (permalink)
jerich Mikmaq/Maliseet Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Tobique Posts: 55	aaaaaaaaaaah i agree with Trev hey trev i got a dinawo hockey jersey i'll trade it for 5 ps2 games that work :D just to let yah know i know you want something to go with that hat i gave you __________________ MIKMAQ MADEundefined

05-26-2005, 03:01 PM	#10 (permalink)
Lesley Smoke singaaa Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Ptbo Posts: 292	who cares, high noon is high noon, either way they still sound awesome!!!!! lol __________________ Tha One N' Only LeSLeY

05-26-2005, 03:33 PM	#12 (permalink)
sir_snagalot Tiny Tot Dancer Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In my house Posts: 41	one drum name winning two contests same weekend This is a interesting but logical answer, i think its inappropriate to have your drum name in two different places at once....its almost kinda stupid. It makes no sense and yes, you are a group under a name etc. but what are we teaching our youth if we show up at more than one powwow or one anything just to win the show. Its just as if the pistons were to split their team or name in half and show up at the finals in two different cities for two games on the same weekend.......just to have better odds of winning and being champs and defending their title.......... my question is why would anyone want to split or have their name in two different places at once. Do champion powwow dancers tell their brother or sister to go to a different powwow and pose as them on the same weekend with same name so the odds of winning are greater.....then why would a drum group?.... and let me make this point, is it the name of the people who carry it or isnt the name of the actual physical drum and people who work hard to make it a group the ones who should actually be there? ive seen in the past some drums split their name or split their singers to have better chances of winning, or to have more hosting spots, and its sad. But i guess its all for the money right? where the honor and respect in that? other people will have disagreement with me and thats fine, its just all about what your intentions are when you go to a powwow and how you were raised. I think any of you who are a loyal sweetheart or lover would understand, cuz its almost like being cheated on , where your companion is seein someone else and thats generally unfair to your loyalty.

05-26-2005, 04:37 PM	#13 (permalink)
12kid Pow Wow Visitor Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11	good point sir snagalot I put this question on just for curiosity plus points so I have absolutely no ill feelings toward any drum group just being objective.

05-26-2005, 07:49 PM	#14 (permalink)
chazziff YO!! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in a big sleigh bed Posts: 6,517	ted and ron didn't intentionly try to go out and TRY win both drumming/singing contests this past weekend for stated before - greed/money. ted lives near yorkton and therefore closer for him to go to painted hand and it was closer for ron to go to loon lake. they both wanted to sing this weekend and thats what it comes down to. they just couldn't do it together. so be it if they both sounded goot enough to place. __________________ See I wanna move, but can't escape from you So I keep it low, keep a secret code So everybody else don't have to know So keep ya love locked down Last edited by chazziff; 05-27-2005 at 11:07 PM.

05-27-2005, 08:32 PM	#15 (permalink)
hoka grasser Pow Wow Visitor Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 13	Yeah it used to be like only one powwow, but back in the late 80's Blacklodge started splitting up and covering 2 powwows by the mid 90's they were covering 3-4 powwwows, so many members and so little time (not to mention drum-splits). At first it seemed so 'wrong' but that's powwow, there are no overall rules, every powwow is different and it's also about survival so and Indians have always had it so bad, they are making ends meet by making more money via splitting the crews yet using the name. It was unfair to the other drums that showed up to compete, buuut, it is a "competition" after all. The pw committee's are catching on though and them negotiated rates & deals that go down in writing are valid and when you got lotsa "filler singers" then it does suck. Yes this ain't tradish but like the history of pw's we're forever changing how it's done.