Trick Song Dance Contests.....

**Furiously-Fancy** · 03-30-2005, 01:46 PM

I've been associated with several Trick Song Dance Contests. The only ones I've been a part of were "tap out" until the Champion stands alone. We'll sponsor one this weekend @ the University of Wyoming..........still in the planning stages. It's advertised as "winner take all". However, we're think'n 'bout have'n 1 male winnner and 1 female or 1 winner for grass/jingle, 1 winner, men & women traditional and one winner for men & women Fancy. Thoughtful replies appreciated! Thanx! Hope to see you there!!

03-30-2005, 02:13 PM

Just out of curiousity how are you gonna deal with the ones that over step but don't walk off or anything?

Another thing.. I've heard my hubby talk about drums actually singing real trick songs and then there are the ones that sing any song (like an intertribal) and add their own stops when they have those type of contests. How are you going to do it?

**Furiously-Fancy** · 03-30-2005, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 49in_ndn

Just out of curiousity how are you gonna deal with the ones that over step but don't walk off or anything?

That's pretty much what this thread is all about.........

* when dancers are tapped out it's out there in the open........ no hiding, which judge did what.

*however... in the early stages when there are more dancers missed stops may go unnoticed.

* to level the dance floor .....so to speak... we were thinking about using ballots instead. Rather than tapping dancers out, we would just give them a black mark or strike each time they missed. Then the dancer with the fewest black marks would win.

* With the strike system we would have to make sure an equal number of judges are watching each dancer..... for obvious reasons.

* we might juss tap 'em out.

* it would be nice if dancers were honest and just walked off.....we all know that doesn't always happen.

More comments please.

**Furiously-Fancy** · 03-30-2005, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 49in_ndn

Just out of curiousity how are you gonna deal with the ones that over step but don't walk off or anything?

Another thing.. I've heard my hubby talk about drums actually singing real trick songs and then there are the ones that sing any song (like an intertribal) and add their own stops when they have those type of contests. How are you going to do it?

I know what you mean about those songs. We'll definitely have quality drums there, who will be singing "real" trick songs. I've only talked to one lead singer so far.....he has "real" trick songs. They're new too......should be interesting.

03-30-2005, 04:50 PM

cool new trick songs!! That oughta be interesting.. :D

**Wojapi4Me** · 03-30-2005, 05:05 PM

Probably the best way to handle it would be to give each dancer a small ankle bracelet similiar to what Martha Stewart is currently sporting. Then, when they overstep, just give them a little juice.

Seriously though, tapping seems to be the best. I've contested in many of these and judged quite a few as well, and the best way is to get a fair amount of judges who are knowledgeable to help be the tappers.

**Furiously-Fancy** · 03-30-2005, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Singerdad

Probably the best way to handle it would be to give each dancer a small ankle bracelet similiar to what Martha Stewart is currently sporting. Then, when they overstep, just give them a little juice.

**Furiously-Fancy** · 03-30-2005, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Singerdad

Seriously though, tapping seems to be the best. I've contested in many of these and judged quite a few as well, and the best way is to get a fair amount of judges who are knowledgeable to help be the tappers.

That's what we're leaning toward........even tho' it's kinda harsh......nobody likes to get tapped out.

WhoMe · 03-31-2005, 11:26 AM

Furious,

I used to go to BYU back in da' day. At all the powwows in the area they had trick dance contests that I would enter. There was an old man named Jr. Colby (sp?), from Ft. Hall, who won every single trick dance contest.

He danced on one foot. His right foot stayed on the ground and his left foot went up and down to the beat of the drum. No matter when the drum stopped his left foot would stop. *L sometimes up, sometimes down.

Is Jr. still alive?

also. . .

Are you the one that dances, or used to fancy dance, with the super long flag tape on your whip sticks?

03-31-2005, 12:56 PM

I seen this one guy, a grass dancer kneel down on one knee and put his other leg out and just moved his head a shoulders. At first it looked cool cause everyone thought he was really gonna get low then get up and start jammin out but he never got up..lol he just stayed there on his knee through the whole song. Everyone kept yelling for him to get up and everyone was cheering and what not but he stayed down. He didn't win the contest... lol

WhoMe · 03-31-2005, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 49in_ndn

I seen this one guy, a grass dancer kneel down on one knee and put his other leg out and just moved his head a shoulders. At first it looked cool cause everyone thought he was really gonna get low then get up and start jammin out but he never got up..lol he just stayed there on his knee through the whole song. Everyone kept yelling for him to get up and everyone was cheering and what not but he stayed down. He didn't win the contest... lol

__

49in,

Maybe that grass dancer had severe cramps, couldn't get up and was moving his head and shoulders irratically... to get sympathy points?

*L

j/k

**First Lady** · 03-31-2005, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 49in_ndn

I seen this one guy, a grass dancer kneel down on one knee and put his other leg out and just moved his head a shoulders. At first it looked cool cause everyone thought he was really gonna get low then get up and start jammin out but he never got up..lol he just stayed there on his knee through the whole song. Everyone kept yelling for him to get up and everyone was cheering and what not but he stayed down. He didn't win the contest... lol

too funny!!! tricked ya all by makin' you all think he was actually gonna get up!
HOKA!

One_Chey_Ojib · 03-31-2005, 01:52 PM

I have to agree that tapping out will be the best and most fair way to conduct this type of contest. The whole idea of a trick song contest is to see if the dancers stop on time. Personally I like this idea......the dancers are not compeating against each other, but against the drum.

My family will be sponsoring a trick song contest at Southern California Indian Center's 37th annual Pow Wow at Los Angeles Fairplex in Pomona (AKA Orange County) July 29, 30 & 31, 2005. But I added a little twist.......back to back trick songs. It will kind of be a Iron man trick song contest. It will be open to all adults and winner take all. But the prize may change as the time gets closer. We planned on "tapping out" dancers or letting them walk off until there is one left.

Let us know how it went.

**Furiously-Fancy** · 03-31-2005, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by WhoMe

He danced on one foot. His right foot stayed on the ground and his left foot went up and down to the beat of the drum. No matter when the drum stopped his left foot would stop. *L sometimes up, sometimes down.

Hey!! Now why didn't I think of that??

03-30-2005, 01:46 PM	#1 (permalink)
Furiously-Fancy PowWows.com Addicts Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fort Washakie,WY Posts: 3,908	Trick Song Dance Contests..... I've been associated with several Trick Song Dance Contests. The only ones I've been a part of were "tap out" until the Champion stands alone. We'll sponsor one this weekend @ the University of Wyoming..........still in the planning stages. It's advertised as "winner take all". However, we're think'n 'bout have'n 1 male winnner and 1 female or 1 winner for grass/jingle, 1 winner, men & women traditional and one winner for men & women Fancy. Thoughtful replies appreciated! Thanx! Hope to see you there!! __________________ "I'd rather be @ a POW-WOW!"

03-30-2005, 02:13 PM	#2 (permalink)
49in_ndn Guest Posts: n/a	Just out of curiousity how are you gonna deal with the ones that over step but don't walk off or anything? Another thing.. I've heard my hubby talk about drums actually singing real trick songs and then there are the ones that sing any song (like an intertribal) and add their own stops when they have those type of contests. How are you going to do it? Last edited by 49in_ndn; 03-30-2005 at 02:30 PM. Reason: To add to it

03-30-2005, 05:05 PM	#6 (permalink)
Wojapi4Me Kili! Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Tha Rez Posts: 1,516	Probably the best way to handle it would be to give each dancer a small ankle bracelet similiar to what Martha Stewart is currently sporting. Then, when they overstep, just give them a little juice. Seriously though, tapping seems to be the best. I've contested in many of these and judged quite a few as well, and the best way is to get a fair amount of judges who are knowledgeable to help be the tappers. __________________ If pro is the opposite of con, then wouldn't progress be the opposite of...lol

03-31-2005, 11:26 AM	#9 (permalink)
WhoMe PauWau Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Land of 370 Broken Treaties Posts: 5,555	Furious, I used to go to BYU back in da' day. At all the powwows in the area they had trick dance contests that I would enter. There was an old man named Jr. Colby (sp?), from Ft. Hall, who won every single trick dance contest. He danced on one foot. His right foot stayed on the ground and his left foot went up and down to the beat of the drum. No matter when the drum stopped his left foot would stop. *L sometimes up, sometimes down. Is Jr. still alive? also. . . Are you the one that dances, or used to fancy dance, with the super long flag tape on your whip sticks? __________________ "Today, recognizing and respecting the origins of powwow aids in our Cultural Survival. If enough people break the rules because they are not satisfied...."We will have no culture." WhoMe

03-30-2005, 04:50 PM	#5 (permalink)
49in_ndn Guest Posts: n/a	cool new trick songs!! That oughta be interesting.. :D

03-31-2005, 12:56 PM	#10 (permalink)
49in_ndn Guest Posts: n/a	I seen this one guy, a grass dancer kneel down on one knee and put his other leg out and just moved his head a shoulders. At first it looked cool cause everyone thought he was really gonna get low then get up and start jammin out but he never got up..lol he just stayed there on his knee through the whole song. Everyone kept yelling for him to get up and everyone was cheering and what not but he stayed down. He didn't win the contest... lol

03-31-2005, 01:52 PM	#13 (permalink)
One_Chey_Ojib Shawler 4 life Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: 4 me 2 know & u 2 find out Posts: 87	I have to agree that tapping out will be the best and most fair way to conduct this type of contest. The whole idea of a trick song contest is to see if the dancers stop on time. Personally I like this idea......the dancers are not compeating against each other, but against the drum. My family will be sponsoring a trick song contest at Southern California Indian Center's 37th annual Pow Wow at Los Angeles Fairplex in Pomona (AKA Orange County) July 29, 30 & 31, 2005. But I added a little twist.......back to back trick songs. It will kind of be a Iron man trick song contest. It will be open to all adults and winner take all. But the prize may change as the time gets closer. We planned on "tapping out" dancers or letting them walk off until there is one left. Let us know how it went.

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