Let's Talk GRAND ENTRYS - Page 3

kitchemanitou · 04-27-2005, 04:09 PM

Grand Entry
everyone just danced when the drum started ?
Grand Entry-I geuss if you wanted to make a grand entry you would JUST DO IT like Nike says!

Have peace on your path.

quicksilverwade · 05-16-2005, 03:39 PM

I spoke to my mother and she said that grand entries have always been a part of the Crow Creek Fort Thompson, South Dakota powwow ever since she can remember so I'd say the year was 1950 or so. She also remembers only one jingle dress dancer who's name was Veronica Begola. She also mentioned that her steps kind of resembled a Charleston dancer but I'll have to question her again.

thebattleofphoenix · 05-26-2005, 12:23 AM

Personally I like it when they do the prayers and introductions before the grand entry. Seems to save time.

And as for the order, I feel there should at least be one warrior taking up the rear to protect the procession. Gotta watch their back ya know.....

**Ndnsoldierboy** · 05-28-2005, 10:10 AM

If someone doesn't want to dance during grand entry, they shouldn't be obligated too. No one is holding a gun to their head. Its all about choice. If you aren't dressed on time, so what? Maybe you need to manage your time better, if you want to dance during grand entry.

But if they are one of those that thinks they will win, or do this for a living you better be on time, or have a judge on the payroll, or be that good when you dance to win. If you don't win. Maybe you need to re-evaluate your choice of career as a dancer. Its not all about winning though. I thought dancing was about prayer and dancing for those that can't dance. Its the sign of the times when money is involved. Need to have it. Or its nice to win, but its not the priority? Some Ndns just like to dance.

veritasxl · 06-11-2005, 02:41 PM

Regarless of why people are out there a PW just wouldn't be the same without GE

Hinu Star · 06-16-2005, 06:33 PM

I just saw some old pictures of grand entries. I want to say that the pictures are circa 1890 (if i remember correctly)
It showed the men comming in on horses dressed to impress! The pictures were of Omaha and some of Winnebago (HoChunk). any hoo... pretty neat...

Fringesnapper · 06-16-2005, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ndnsoldierboy

If someone doesn't want to dance during grand entry, they shouldn't be obligated too. No one is holding a gun to their head. Its all about choice. If you aren't dressed on time, so what? Maybe you need to manage your time better, if you want to dance during grand entry.

But if they are one of those that thinks they will win, or do this for a living you better be on time, or have a judge on the payroll, or be that good when you dance to win. If you don't win. Maybe you need to re-evaluate your choice of career as a dancer. Its not all about winning though. I thought dancing was about prayer and dancing for those that can't dance. Its the sign of the times when money is involved. Need to have it. Or its nice to win, but its not the priority? Some Ndns just like to dance.

Well said SoldierBoy..... may our heavenly Father keep his arms around you as you protect all of us. Thank you for your prospective. Take care.

makesHERlulu · 06-20-2005, 04:45 PM

I'm with OLDSCHOOL on this one. Up here in Pawnee it was them WWI Veterans who brought in the WWII Veterans into the arena, just after World War 2 was over. Therefore the "parade in" was lined with Veteran's first then the different Clubs aka War Mothers, Service Club and so on.

Pretty cool to visuallize the old WWI veterans and their singers bringing in all the Veterans, clubs, dancers and so forth.

sexypanthergyrl · 06-22-2005, 06:48 PM

Call it what you will but any type of grouping or people gathering together should have a welcoming. Call it grand entry, parading, welcoming anything involving Creators children to come together and have relations deserves a formal introduction of every person involved. Thus the grand entry the welcoming of all to the circle.

WhoMe · 06-24-2005, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by makesHERlulu

Therefore the "parade in" was lined with Veteran's first then the different Clubs aka War Mothers, Service Club and so on.

Pretty cool to visuallize the old WWI veterans and their singers bringing in all the Veterans, clubs, dancers and so forth.

Including the "Pocahonta's Club?"

**SingingDeer** · 06-30-2005, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Iron Eagle

You got it right on the head there Who Me.

The Grand Entry for the Native American Powwows was developed from the Grand Entry of the Wild West Shows and the Rodeos of the 19th Century.

It slowly became a part of the Native Powwow across the country in the 20th Century. This took a long time as you could find many events that did not use a Grand Entry as late as the early 1970's. But as time moved on the Grand Entry became almost fully mainstreamed by the late 1970's and early 1980's across both the United States and Canada.

There are many Elders that can easily remember no such thing as a Grand Entry.

Thanks Tom, this is the way it's been related to me too.

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Originally Posted by crazywolf

... (I hate round dancing) ...

me too - it's hard on the knees and hips.... I try to avoid it (dancing sideways that is)

I've only been late for GE once in recent memory... so I came in behind the women fancy shawl dancers. Since I don't dance in contests, they didn't seem to mind. Other times I was late, I just stood with the onlookers, then joined in the veterans' dance. GE is usually optional for at the pow wows I've been to.

As far as giving points to contest entrants for GE, I've never seen them do that around here.... it doesn't mean that they don't do it. I'm just not aware of it.

quapawgirl · 07-05-2005, 09:51 PM

what i remember is aunt denie and aunt claudia and others started a point system to keep the competion for prize moneis intrested i guess because i remember being thrilled getting trophy or just aknowledge as one of the winners.

morning water · 07-11-2005, 03:11 PM

Leaping Deer · 07-12-2005, 07:17 PM

Up here in New England there are alot of pow-wows that do have a rear guard. I know because i'm the one that picks the warriors to dance there with me. I was told by an elder warrior That it was a place of honor to protect the women and children. And i like being the last to enter and be recognized as being a veteran warrior.

**SingingDeer** · 07-12-2005, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Leaping Deer

Up here in New England there are alot of pow-wows that do have a rear guard. I know because i'm the one that picks the warriors to dance there with me. I was told by an elder warrior That it was a place of honor to protect the women and children. And i like being the last to enter and be recognized as being a veteran warrior.

I've heard of that... haven't seen much practice of it around here... I wonder why? I'd consider it an honor to be the rear guard. It's where I always was in ranks unless I was carrying a flag.

04-27-2005, 04:09 PM	#41 (permalink)
kitchemanitou Senior Dancer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Saskatchewan{swift flowing} Posts: 987	Tawow Grand Entry everyone just danced when the drum started ? Grand Entry-I geuss if you wanted to make a grand entry you would JUST DO IT like Nike says! Have peace on your path.

05-26-2005, 12:23 AM	#43 (permalink)
thebattleofphoenix Tiny Tot Dancer Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 28	grand entries Personally I like it when they do the prayers and introductions before the grand entry. Seems to save time. And as for the order, I feel there should at least be one warrior taking up the rear to protect the procession. Gotta watch their back ya know.....

05-28-2005, 10:10 AM	#44 (permalink)
Ndnsoldierboy is a crazy Mofo Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Home of the Brave Posts: 11,981	If someone doesn't want to dance during grand entry, they shouldn't be obligated too. No one is holding a gun to their head. Its all about choice. If you aren't dressed on time, so what? Maybe you need to manage your time better, if you want to dance during grand entry. But if they are one of those that thinks they will win, or do this for a living you better be on time, or have a judge on the payroll, or be that good when you dance to win. If you don't win. Maybe you need to re-evaluate your choice of career as a dancer. Its not all about winning though. I thought dancing was about prayer and dancing for those that can't dance. Its the sign of the times when money is involved. Need to have it. Or its nice to win, but its not the priority? Some Ndns just like to dance. __________________ R.I.P. my Bros from the 1st MAR DIV, 3rd MAR DIV, 25th I.D., 10th MTN DIV, who gave their lives in the Cold War, Marines we lost in Korea during Team Spirit '89 & Okinawa '89- bodies never recovered, Panama, 1st Gulf War, Somalia, Afghanistan, Iraq... Semper Fi...

06-11-2005, 02:41 PM	#45 (permalink)
veritasxl Chahta Apokni Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Burque Posts: 243	Regarless of why people are out there a PW just wouldn't be the same without GE __________________ Civilzation has been thrust upon me..and it has not added one whit to my love for truth, honesty, and generosity Chief Luther Standing Bear

07-05-2005, 09:51 PM	#52 (permalink)
quapawgirl Tiny Tot Dancer Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 29	grand entries what i remember is aunt denie and aunt claudia and others started a point system to keep the competion for prize moneis intrested i guess because i remember being thrilled getting trophy or just aknowledge as one of the winners.

05-16-2005, 03:39 PM	#42 (permalink)
quicksilverwade Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: South of the Deadly San Andreas Fault Posts: 1,555	I spoke to my mother and she said that grand entries have always been a part of the Crow Creek Fort Thompson, South Dakota powwow ever since she can remember so I'd say the year was 1950 or so. She also remembers only one jingle dress dancer who's name was Veronica Begola. She also mentioned that her steps kind of resembled a Charleston dancer but I'll have to question her again.

06-16-2005, 06:33 PM	#46 (permalink)
Hinu Star Hinu Star Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Kansas Posts: 51	I just saw some old pictures of grand entries. I want to say that the pictures are circa 1890 (if i remember correctly) It showed the men comming in on horses dressed to impress! The pictures were of Omaha and some of Winnebago (HoChunk). any hoo... pretty neat...

06-20-2005, 04:45 PM	#48 (permalink)
makesHERlulu Tiny Tot Dancer Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 92	I'm with OLDSCHOOL on this one. Up here in Pawnee it was them WWI Veterans who brought in the WWII Veterans into the arena, just after World War 2 was over. Therefore the "parade in" was lined with Veteran's first then the different Clubs aka War Mothers, Service Club and so on. Pretty cool to visuallize the old WWI veterans and their singers bringing in all the Veterans, clubs, dancers and so forth.

06-22-2005, 06:48 PM	#49 (permalink)
sexypanthergyrl Pow Wow Visitor Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: many lakes Posts: 13	Call it what you will but any type of grouping or people gathering together should have a welcoming. Call it grand entry, parading, welcoming anything involving Creators children to come together and have relations deserves a formal introduction of every person involved. Thus the grand entry the welcoming of all to the circle.

07-11-2005, 03:11 PM	#53 (permalink)
morning water Tiny Tot Dancer Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 72	Last edited by morning water; 07-11-2006 at 07:26 PM.

07-12-2005, 07:17 PM	#54 (permalink)
Leaping Deer old style dancer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Mass Posts: 11	Up here in New England there are alot of pow-wows that do have a rear guard. I know because i'm the one that picks the warriors to dance there with me. I was told by an elder warrior That it was a place of honor to protect the women and children. And i like being the last to enter and be recognized as being a veteran warrior.