National Order of the Arrow Indian Culture Classes

WhoMe · 02-23-2005, 12:29 PM

Last year the National Order of the Arrow Conference was held July 31-August 5, 2004 at the Iowa State University.

Course training and instruction included: Beginning Dance Steps; Chicken Dance I, II and III; Crow Dancing I, II and III; Fancy Dance I, II and III; Four Styles of Northern Traditional; Gourd Dance Overview; Grass Dance I, II and III; Iroquois Drumming and Singing; Northern Singing; and Straight Dancing.

VERY INTERESTING! Hmmmmm?

http://www.oa-bsa.org/events/n2004/b.../train-aia.htm

**Kiwehnzii** · 02-23-2005, 12:56 PM

That fellow from the other thread about the 15 minute dance class might benefit from this culture class.

**middle of the sky** · 02-23-2005, 01:03 PM

can ward churchill go here and get a cetificate of nativeness?
and...how come they dont have "Cree Lip-Pointing 101" and "old Style Snaggin"?

**rkbtmeyb** · 02-23-2005, 02:59 PM

looks like REDSPLOITATION

Mr Bo Jangles · 02-23-2005, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by WhoMe

Last year the National Order of the Arrow Conference was held July 31-August 5, 2004 at the Iowa State University.

Course training and instruction included: Beginning Dance Steps; Chicken Dance I, II and III; Crow Dancing I, II and III; Fancy Dance I, II and III; Four Styles of Northern Traditional; Gourd Dance Overview; Grass Dance I, II and III; Iroquois Drumming and Singing; Northern Singing; and Straight Dancing.

VERY INTERESTING! Hmmmmm?

http://www.oa-bsa.org/events/n2004/b.../train-aia.htm

I know there are some prominent Southern/Northern Singers, beadworkers, dancers that actively participate in these types of venues, strictly because they'd like to see things done correctly, to further the positive views of Native Americans as a whole....at least those, that participate in powwow culture.

But, I've got some Seminole and Northwest Coast friends that also lend their talents to helping these guys too, be it button blankets, totem pole carving, patchwork, or makin' Sofke, or Chuttahogga....they're right there showin' em the correct way of doin things.

....course, I'd hate to be the one straining the corn thru the ash water (lye) and wondering if I was doing things right, knowing full well.....folks are gonna be eatin that stuff when it's all hulled and cooked up......dang!! A belly full of lye laden corn!!!!!! What a scary thought.

Mr Bo Jangles · 02-23-2005, 03:18 PM

On another note....

I wonder if I could enlist the services of some of these cats?

Some of them are some pretty damn talented beadworkers, featherworkers, ribbonworkers, fingerweavers, moc makers.

I've purchased more than one piece of beadwork for my own grip that was made by a white man.........it's all high quality, first class stuff.....not indian made, but hell......who cares!! It's some classy lookin beadwork, fingerweaving, ribbonwork!!

LMAO!

**Wojapi4Me** · 02-23-2005, 03:22 PM

Having seminars/classes about basic dance styles and singing styles is one thing, but having tribally-specific classes such as Crow Dance I, II, and III and Prairie Chicken Dancing and Gourd Dancing is a completely different ballgame. I wonder if the Crow Tribe of Montana endorses, appreciates, or even knows that their dances are being taught in this manner. But, they're not only being taught, they're basically being given away by people who don't have that right because the kids are taught and encouraged to go out and do these dances.

bushy_braids · 02-24-2005, 01:35 PM

whaaaaaaaaaaaaat!?!?!?!?!???????
ummm... looks like i need to learn a lil' something'.... betta sign up for three hours of crow courses I, II & III!
all i can do is shake my head.... who teaches this stuff!? i wonder who the crow teacher is... and if the teacher is even crow!

ndngirl73 · 02-24-2005, 02:08 PM

Ok, maybe it could be cool but if you were really learning this stuff would you feel alright about learning it in a workshop you paid for...i mean i could certainly use the assistance of my crow sistas to work on my crow hop but i wouldnt pay for it like that ($) and good lord--its the boy scouts of american for god sakes, who *******izes tribal cultures more than the boy scouts?

Hey bushy--i looked it says it teaches them about our outfits, supposedly how to make them and then how to dance it them. i hope they get hooked up with some fake braids so its all authentic...

bushy_braids · 02-25-2005, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ndngirl73

i hope they get hooked up with some fake braids so its all authentic...

****AMEN!****
HAHAHAHAHAH! almost made me spit out my hot shocklate... too funny!

**Wojapi4Me** · 02-25-2005, 11:24 AM

Crow Dancing I - History and Culture The Crow people from Montana have a unique outfit unlike any other. History of the dance with photos and explaining major outfit parts.

1 Hr Crow Dancing II - Clothing and Beadwork Detailed information on how to make the outfit parts and the beadwork designs behind the Crow.

1 Hr Crow Dancing III - Dancing How to dance Crow – encourage videos and a CD player to teach this class.
__________________________________________________

See, this is what I'm talking about!! History is one thing, but why would they need to know how to make the outfit and how to do the beadwork designs. Those are tribal outfits specifically for Crow people and certain others they've deemed appropriate to wear it...not for anyone who thinks it looks cool. Heck, I think Crow outfits are the absolute bomb, but you don't see me out there wearing one. Why? Because I'm not a Crow!

Like I said, this is crossing the line - BIG TIME!

**Wojapi4Me** · 02-25-2005, 11:29 AM

What the?

Sioux Beadwork Design and Colors How to use the proper color and design for your Sioux beadwork

Southeastern III - (Creek/Seminole) and Stomp Dance - Music and Dance How to dance Creek/Seminole – encourage videos and a CD player to teach this class.
__________________________________________________ _

Ok, first off, "your Sioux beadwork". Are they freaking kidding? So now they're encouraging these kids to steal our designs and patterns?

Stomp Dance????????????? Again, are they kidding? I hope so, but I doubt it.

This is just plain wrong - no other way around it - it's wrong.

WhoMe · 02-25-2005, 11:35 AM

Yeah that WAS funny ndng73!

Something else struck me as being kinda' funny...

There are instruction courses for Ladies Dance Cloths, Ladies Dancing, Ladies Shawl, Ladies Jingle, Ladies Northern/Southern Traditional and Ladies Q & A.

Hmmmm?

I thought Order of the Arrow was for BOYscouts?

Hmmmm?

02-23-2005, 12:29 PM	#1 (permalink)
WhoMe PauWau Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Land of 370 Broken Treaties Posts: 5,560	National Order of the Arrow Indian Culture Classes Last year the National Order of the Arrow Conference was held July 31-August 5, 2004 at the Iowa State University. Course training and instruction included: Beginning Dance Steps; Chicken Dance I, II and III; Crow Dancing I, II and III; Fancy Dance I, II and III; Four Styles of Northern Traditional; Gourd Dance Overview; Grass Dance I, II and III; Iroquois Drumming and Singing; Northern Singing; and Straight Dancing. VERY INTERESTING! Hmmmmm? http://www.oa-bsa.org/events/n2004/b.../train-aia.htm __________________ "Today, recognizing and respecting the origins of powwow aids in our Cultural Survival. If enough people break the rules because they are not satisfied...."We will have no culture." WhoMe

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Mr Bo Jangles Member since March 2000. Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Sunny, downtown, middle of no where... Posts: 699	On another note.... I wonder if I could enlist the services of some of these cats? Some of them are some pretty damn talented beadworkers, featherworkers, ribbonworkers, fingerweavers, moc makers. I've purchased more than one piece of beadwork for my own grip that was made by a white man.........it's all high quality, first class stuff.....not indian made, but hell......who cares!! It's some classy lookin beadwork, fingerweaving, ribbonwork!! LMAO! __________________ "This next song goes out to some girls in dot com. They don't know who they are, but, it doesn't really matter anyway." "When the God's wish to punish us, they grant our prayers." O. Wilde

02-23-2005, 03:22 PM	#7 (permalink)
Wojapi4Me Kili! Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Tha Rez Posts: 1,515	Having seminars/classes about basic dance styles and singing styles is one thing, but having tribally-specific classes such as Crow Dance I, II, and III and Prairie Chicken Dancing and Gourd Dancing is a completely different ballgame. I wonder if the Crow Tribe of Montana endorses, appreciates, or even knows that their dances are being taught in this manner. But, they're not only being taught, they're basically being given away by people who don't have that right because the kids are taught and encouraged to go out and do these dances. __________________ If pro is the opposite of con, then wouldn't progress be the opposite of...lol

02-24-2005, 01:35 PM	#8 (permalink)
bushy_braids cool...calm...collected Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: da CROW wide world Posts: 1,175	whaaaaaaaaaaaaat!?!?!?!?!??????? ummm... looks like i need to learn a lil' something'.... betta sign up for three hours of crow courses I, II & III! all i can do is shake my head.... who teaches this stuff!? i wonder who the crow teacher is... and if the teacher is even crow! __________________ "i don't like to walk fast man - i like to strut!" Last edited by bushy_braids; 02-24-2005 at 01:40 PM.

02-23-2005, 12:56 PM	#2 (permalink)
Kiwehnzii Oldfart Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 2,871	That fellow from the other thread about the 15 minute dance class might benefit from this culture class.

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middle of the sky M...O...T...to the S! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: westcoast Posts: 18,947 Blog Entries: 9	can ward churchill go here and get a cetificate of nativeness? and...how come they dont have "Cree Lip-Pointing 101" and "old Style Snaggin"?

02-24-2005, 02:08 PM	#9 (permalink)
ndngirl73 ndn Queen!!! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: montana Posts: 223	Ok, maybe it could be cool but if you were really learning this stuff would you feel alright about learning it in a workshop you paid for...i mean i could certainly use the assistance of my crow sistas to work on my crow hop but i wouldnt pay for it like that ($) and good lord--its the boy scouts of american for god sakes, who *******izes tribal cultures more than the boy scouts? Hey bushy--i looked it says it teaches them about our outfits, supposedly how to make them and then how to dance it them. i hope they get hooked up with some fake braids so its all authentic...

02-25-2005, 11:24 AM	#11 (permalink)
Wojapi4Me Kili! Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Tha Rez Posts: 1,515	Crow Dancing I - History and Culture The Crow people from Montana have a unique outfit unlike any other. History of the dance with photos and explaining major outfit parts. 1 Hr Crow Dancing II - Clothing and Beadwork Detailed information on how to make the outfit parts and the beadwork designs behind the Crow. 1 Hr Crow Dancing III - Dancing How to dance Crow – encourage videos and a CD player to teach this class. __________________________________________________ See, this is what I'm talking about!! History is one thing, but why would they need to know how to make the outfit and how to do the beadwork designs. Those are tribal outfits specifically for Crow people and certain others they've deemed appropriate to wear it...not for anyone who thinks it looks cool. Heck, I think Crow outfits are the absolute bomb, but you don't see me out there wearing one. Why? Because I'm not a Crow! Like I said, this is crossing the line - BIG TIME! __________________ If pro is the opposite of con, then wouldn't progress be the opposite of...lol

02-25-2005, 11:29 AM	#12 (permalink)
Wojapi4Me Kili! Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Tha Rez Posts: 1,515	What the? Sioux Beadwork Design and Colors How to use the proper color and design for your Sioux beadwork Southeastern III - (Creek/Seminole) and Stomp Dance - Music and Dance How to dance Creek/Seminole – encourage videos and a CD player to teach this class. __________________________________________________ _ Ok, first off, "your Sioux beadwork". Are they freaking kidding? So now they're encouraging these kids to steal our designs and patterns? Stomp Dance????????????? Again, are they kidding? I hope so, but I doubt it. This is just plain wrong - no other way around it - it's wrong. __________________ If pro is the opposite of con, then wouldn't progress be the opposite of...lol

02-25-2005, 11:35 AM	#13 (permalink)
WhoMe PauWau Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Land of 370 Broken Treaties Posts: 5,560	Yeah that WAS funny ndng73! Something else struck me as being kinda' funny... There are instruction courses for Ladies Dance Cloths, Ladies Dancing, Ladies Shawl, Ladies Jingle, Ladies Northern/Southern Traditional and Ladies Q & A. Hmmmm? I thought Order of the Arrow was for BOYscouts? Hmmmm? __________________ "Today, recognizing and respecting the origins of powwow aids in our Cultural Survival. If enough people break the rules because they are not satisfied...."We will have no culture." WhoMe

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Wojapi4Me Kili! Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Tha Rez Posts: 1,515