Wojapi4Me

I totally agree with this! Especially the last sentence.

To me it just seems like complete thievery when these things are being taught by people not from that tribe. That'd be like me telling someone to go to my neighbor's house, go in, and get stuff out of his fridge and help themselves.

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Singerdad,

Oh!

You mean like,...

"The Doctrine of Discovery?" (ie. Columbus, the Louisiana Purchase, Lewis and Clark etc?)



"where they claimed millions of acres of land . . . without telling the Indians?"

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Homalosa

I'm saying ditto to both.

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I might hafta make it to the evening session tho.......

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DeusExMachina

Aw HELL naw!! don't tell me the'yre ripping off the stomps too. that is just going too far!! Why the hell would they need to stomp?? It's not a powwow dance or anything. and why are they doing tribe-specific studies? it's not gonna make them any less white any how.

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SeaHawk

I am not a big supporter on the Order of The Arrow. I can understand that if it is going to be done, then it should be taught by us that know so that it can be done correct but I still do not like it. I was in SD a few years ago and went to a powwow that hosted quite a few boy scout troops. That was really strange. Most of the Indians were in the stands watching as the boy scouts danced.

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WocusWoman

This sickens me; I thought the Boyscouts"Order of the Arrow", campfire girls, etc. etc. are all christian based organizations. Doesn't it go against their own beliefs to be learning, dressing up and pretending to be heathens and savages?

Kio-Manche

I disagree with this. Just because a group has decided to steal from our heritage and cultures, we should help them? Thats like catching a thief in your house stealing from your fridge and saying, here lemme help you! I say let them do it incorrect!!

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yuchgeha

Hey DeusExMachina, do you think them boys will be fightin for the chance to shake shells for the other boys. LOL Can you just picture it?! LMAO

Privateer6

Actually the Boys Scouts accepts all faiths, Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, Shinto, Native American, Zoarastrian, etc. When I was in New Orleans we had a very large number of Houma involved in the program, In Baton Rouge we had a few, but not as many. Probably becasue most of the Houma live in the New Orleans' area of operations.

As for pretending to be heathens and savages, I don't find many natives like that at all. Some of the Boy Scouts do act like idiots. However the ones I've met who are serious into dancing and singing do go all out in following etiquette, being respectful, and knowing what areas Native culture not to but into.

I've said it in other posts, so for those who have read them bear with me on the repitition, but sopmetimes there are very good relations between the OA and Native nations. Again in New Orleans, while the Houma were struggling for survival and slowly losing or lost some traditions becasue the knowledgeable elders were dying, some OA members did reasearch, talked to survivng elders, etc to learn Houma culture and help preserve it. Some members of that OA lodge who traveled the powwow circuit brought powwow culture to the Houma. These same guys help start L.I.H.A. and a magazine.

I think that the key here is that Scout's need to learn when they can participate, i.e. powwows, and when to politely step away, i.e. religious ceremonies, face paint, etc. But I admit you do have Natives teaching classes and working with the Scouts. I met the late Abe Conklin at an OA function and consider it a highlite of my dancing experience, the man was AWESOME!

Anyway that's my $.02 worth. You can go ahead and flame me now.

Privateer6

There was a time when it was illegal to practice any aspects of Native culture, religious or social. The Wild West shows were permitted because it showed the people "what the west was like." But a native getting caught in a religious service would get him arrested. The OA was formed primarily as a honor society for Boy Scouts. The two men used the heritage of the Lenni Lanape because the camp was located on land that once belonging to them. Because each OA lodge was supposed to use the local nations of their area as examples, a secondary purpose was created for the OA: preserving what was considered 90 years ago a dying Native cultures.

I know there are problems with the OA, and some people on this site disagree with the OA. But I would rather help someone asking for help to do something right than ignore them and have them continuing to do it wrong. Again my $.02.

DeusExMachina

Holee sh*t that would be so funny. but they gotta wear the skirts, too, ayye? no skirts, no deal! LMAO!!!! oh that's just WRONG i shouldn't be laughing....

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[quote=GJJudd]Actually the Boys Scouts accepts all faiths, Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, Shinto, Native American, Zoarastrian, etc. QUOTE]


Now, I know they would not accept me if I were a young man, and I stated I were non-christian and/or I was gay. If that is a group that floats your boat, then so be it, that's good for you. I would never ever stick one of my kids or future grand-kids into any of these organizations. It would just never happen. We do not put our regalia-dance outfits on to go "pretend" we're indians for a day or two. We are indians 365 days a year, and these groups are offensive.