World Powwow Music?

WhoMe · 02-18-2005, 01:27 PM

I predict Indian music, specifically powwow music is about to go mainstream....

I was in downtown London, England two weeks ago inside a three-story Virgin Records store. I was amazed to find there was a "separate" Native American section!

While checking out the CD's, I was approached by Marietta Donovan, who is in charge of "Specialty Music" for all Virgin Records outlets.

Ms. Donovan expressed a genuine interest in learning more about powwow music to market in Great Britain in the large Virgin Record franchise. She also mentioned that she would like to promote powwow music with live powwow singing and dancers.

Hmmmmm?

Is marketing and selling powwow music to the mainstream/ worldwide a good or bad thing?

(Ceremonial and religious music is currently available to anyone who can afford a CD).

p.s. I have already found some of my own drums powwow tapes in Germany.

**50cal** · 02-18-2005, 06:55 PM

I would think its a great idea.....I found Blackstone in a bestbuy in SoCal once.......why not???? If they can promote the "brothas and sistahs" with their music, why not ours??? Of course you're gonna have the "I'm still oppressed and the Man will never do shyt for us" people respond to this......but thats just ignorance.......so if you can and are able to.....promote it!!!!!!!

Pomo-granite · 02-18-2005, 08:02 PM

people can get cd's all over the intenet so my opinyin is if there is another resorse for our singers to get some money from the selling there cd's then help them out. do they get part of the proceeds or all? i dont know? dont have a clue on how cds are sold. ayy

**Emmy** · 02-22-2005, 10:35 AM

Yeah over here at the tower records has a native american section. its not that big but its a start.

**Kiwehnzii** · 02-22-2005, 11:09 AM

There is some powwow music in Sam the Record Man in World music section in Canada. I seen some in Harmony House in Michigan also in the world music part. This was a few years back.
Lately I seen some at Best Buy.

WhoMe · 02-22-2005, 01:30 PM

So....

Is selling powwow music the same as "selling out?"

It can be interpreted as selling culture to whomever can buy a CD. Artifacts, heirlooms, ceremonial objects and ceremonial music are already for sale. Is there a line where somethings should not be sold?

What's your take?

**50cal** · 02-26-2005, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhoMe

So....

Is selling powwow music the same as "selling out?"

It can be interpreted as selling culture to whomever can buy a CD. Artifacts, heirlooms, ceremonial objects and ceremonial music are already for sale. Is there a line where somethings should not be sold?

What's your take?

Selling out??? Been thinking hard about this huh?? LOL!! Nah, I wouldn't think so....but like I said in my previous post, you're gonna have your "liberals" on this in a heartbeat......but also, as long as your not screwing around with your cultures music, ie: medicine songs for prayers, then there shouldn't be a problem......think about it, how many times are you gonna hear some song talking about some girl or party or going some place???? I really don't think theres no "spiritual" significance to these, so why not promote it??? anyway...............

WhoMe · 02-28-2005, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by 50calNDN

Selling out??? ...... as long as your not screwing around with your cultures music, ie: medicine songs for prayers, then there shouldn't be a problem....

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50,

That's my point.

Ceremonial, Native American Church, Sundance, Ghostdance, Sweatsongs, Christian Prayer songs are all available on the net by doing a good cyber search.

Where do you cross the line between being liberal and selling out?

(I have met people in Europe who have learned ceremonial songs purchased on the internet).

**50cal** · 03-01-2005, 08:40 PM

Thats where I believe the people themselves would be responsible for putting it out on there.......but if an artist is an artist, then the sampling of cultural music shouldn't be there......only their creative influences........and thats what they should sell if they want........but yeah you're right, you can find these on the net.........we should just hunt down the people who put these on there and lynch 'em!!!! *L*

sevenaxiom · 03-02-2005, 11:49 AM

I think most folk are entertained when attending powwows, but I don't think the style of the music appeals to the mainstream. I couldn't imagine a drop-top with Eyabay at full blast bangin' away down the strip... it would be hella cool though!

Flutes are another thing altogether. I ain't going there.

WhoMe · 03-02-2005, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 50calNDN

.....but yeah you're right, you can find these on the net.........we should just hunt down the people who put these on there and lynch 'em!!!! *L*

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50,

Heck no! I got a mo' betta punishment....

We should strip them down to their unmentionables, paint them with Indian designs, put a made in Taiwan war bonnet on their heads, take them to a 49 nine, drop them off....

and leave.

ree assassin · 03-02-2005, 12:12 PM

Its about time. Native people deserve this because we've been on this land the longest. (don't know about overseas, but....) thats all i have to say

chukfi13 · 03-02-2005, 11:54 PM

LSS · 03-03-2005, 02:26 PM

here's an interesting thought...suppose you have people that have relocated due to work or other reasons. Is it not ok for those folks to have a little piece of home with them? I know when I'm at school I sing to myself...and when I'm near a computer, I may access powwows.com from time to time. For others, its a way of expressing our existence since history books have been known to "fudge" on the facts. Another benefit to having the music going mainstream is the opportunity for a larger area of people (native & non-native) to help keep the language and history going. Having it in this manner is also a great way of keeping things recorded.

Anyone have a contradiction to that? Know of any of the down sides to that?

lss

crow_reza · 03-03-2005, 04:17 PM

Hmmm.... I would like to see pow-wow music go mainstream 'cuz that would be the shyt!! But as far as ghost dance, sun dance, and peyote songs go...well that's jus' a little "iffy". We already see these kinds of songs out there, like those one Lakota guyz singing harmonized peyote songs. Or Ulali, when they do some of those stomp dance songs, it's harmonized of course, but you can still hear the stomp dance. We can't really stop them from singing those kinds of songs, and I know that I can't stop them by myself..... So, if songs like those do go mainstream, well....there's not much we can do to stop it......

02-18-2005, 01:27 PM	#1 (permalink)
WhoMe PauWau Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Land of 370 Broken Treaties Posts: 5,560	World Powwow Music? I predict Indian music, specifically powwow music is about to go mainstream.... I was in downtown London, England two weeks ago inside a three-story Virgin Records store. I was amazed to find there was a "separate" Native American section! While checking out the CD's, I was approached by Marietta Donovan, who is in charge of "Specialty Music" for all Virgin Records outlets. Ms. Donovan expressed a genuine interest in learning more about powwow music to market in Great Britain in the large Virgin Record franchise. She also mentioned that she would like to promote powwow music with live powwow singing and dancers. Hmmmmm? Is marketing and selling powwow music to the mainstream/ worldwide a good or bad thing? (Ceremonial and religious music is currently available to anyone who can afford a CD). p.s. I have already found some of my own drums powwow tapes in Germany. __________________ "Today, recognizing and respecting the origins of powwow aids in our Cultural Survival. If enough people break the rules because they are not satisfied...."We will have no culture." WhoMe

02-18-2005, 06:55 PM	#2 (permalink)
50cal Natural Born Killer...... Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Looking for some bad guys... Posts: 7,332	I would think its a great idea.....I found Blackstone in a bestbuy in SoCal once.......why not???? If they can promote the "brothas and sistahs" with their music, why not ours??? Of course you're gonna have the "I'm still oppressed and the Man will never do shyt for us" people respond to this......but thats just ignorance.......so if you can and are able to.....promote it!!!!!!! __________________ "Sweat dries, blood clots, bones heal. Suck it up. Be a Marine"

02-22-2005, 10:35 AM	#4 (permalink)
Emmy Flat E! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Silver Spring Posts: 3,359	Yeah over here at the tower records has a native american section. its not that big but its a start. __________________ Oh yeah, I used to know Quentin...He's a real...He's a real Jerky ~Flat Beat~

02-22-2005, 01:30 PM	#6 (permalink)
WhoMe PauWau Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Land of 370 Broken Treaties Posts: 5,560	So.... Is selling powwow music the same as "selling out?" It can be interpreted as selling culture to whomever can buy a CD. Artifacts, heirlooms, ceremonial objects and ceremonial music are already for sale. Is there a line where somethings should not be sold? What's your take? __________________ "Today, recognizing and respecting the origins of powwow aids in our Cultural Survival. If enough people break the rules because they are not satisfied...."We will have no culture." WhoMe Last edited by WhoMe; 02-22-2005 at 01:33 PM.

03-01-2005, 08:40 PM	#9 (permalink)
50cal Natural Born Killer...... Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Looking for some bad guys... Posts: 7,332	Thats where I believe the people themselves would be responsible for putting it out on there.......but if an artist is an artist, then the sampling of cultural music shouldn't be there......only their creative influences........and thats what they should sell if they want........but yeah you're right, you can find these on the net.........we should just hunt down the people who put these on there and lynch 'em!!!! L __________________ "Sweat dries, blood clots, bones heal. Suck it up. Be a Marine"

02-18-2005, 08:02 PM	#3 (permalink)
Pomo-granite Pow Wow Visitor Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: pomo countree Posts: 22	people can get cd's all over the intenet so my opinyin is if there is another resorse for our singers to get some money from the selling there cd's then help them out. do they get part of the proceeds or all? i dont know? dont have a clue on how cds are sold. ayy

02-22-2005, 11:09 AM	#5 (permalink)
Kiwehnzii Oldfart Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 2,871	There is some powwow music in Sam the Record Man in World music section in Canada. I seen some in Harmony House in Michigan also in the world music part. This was a few years back. Lately I seen some at Best Buy.

03-02-2005, 11:49 AM	#10 (permalink)
sevenaxiom Higher Powered! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Brooklyn YO! Posts: 9	Don't think it'll happen I think most folk are entertained when attending powwows, but I don't think the style of the music appeals to the mainstream. I couldn't imagine a drop-top with Eyabay at full blast bangin' away down the strip... it would be hella cool though! Flutes are another thing altogether. I ain't going there. Last edited by sevenaxiom; 03-02-2005 at 11:57 AM. Reason: slippery keyboard

03-02-2005, 12:12 PM	#12 (permalink)
ree assassin Grass Dancing @ its BEST! Join Date: May 2002 Location: North Dakota Posts: 33	Its about time. Native people deserve this because we've been on this land the longest. (don't know about overseas, but....) thats all i have to say

03-02-2005, 11:54 PM	#13 (permalink)
chukfi13 Pow Wow Visitor Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: osi tamaha Posts: 5

03-03-2005, 02:26 PM	#14 (permalink)
LSS Sappling! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 871	positives??????? here's an interesting thought...suppose you have people that have relocated due to work or other reasons. Is it not ok for those folks to have a little piece of home with them? I know when I'm at school I sing to myself...and when I'm near a computer, I may access powwows.com from time to time. For others, its a way of expressing our existence since history books have been known to "fudge" on the facts. Another benefit to having the music going mainstream is the opportunity for a larger area of people (native & non-native) to help keep the language and history going. Having it in this manner is also a great way of keeping things recorded. Anyone have a contradiction to that? Know of any of the down sides to that? lss __________________ To get a true picture of your purpose in life, you only get the whole picture when you listen with your mind, your ears and your heart. This way The Creator has a direct connection with you and only you...no outside interference. When you follow the will of IT that created you, understanding that your purpose is not for you...but for IT and all that IT has created, there can be no wrong except failure to be obedient. Only then do we jeopardize the gifts we are given. Its not the final destination that defines us, rather the journey taken!

03-03-2005, 04:17 PM	#15 (permalink)
crow_reza Grass Dance Bum Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Tha streets of Crow, by Carpet Mills Posts: 179	Hmmm.... I would like to see pow-wow music go mainstream 'cuz that would be the shyt!! But as far as ghost dance, sun dance, and peyote songs go...well that's jus' a little "iffy". We already see these kinds of songs out there, like those one Lakota guyz singing harmonized peyote songs. Or Ulali, when they do some of those stomp dance songs, it's harmonized of course, but you can still hear the stomp dance. We can't really stop them from singing those kinds of songs, and I know that I can't stop them by myself..... So, if songs like those do go mainstream, well....there's not much we can do to stop it...... __________________ Put me in tha rez with crazy N-Dens and I'll survive Put me in tha city with crazy Whites and I'll die