Powwows in the South East? - Page 2

WhoMe · 11-10-2004, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lovlie1

!
I have witnessed a lot of cases, even against me of people trying to "out ndn the next".

___

lovlie1:

I see what you mean.

When I go to dances east of the Mississippi, there is significantly more Indians who wear Indian things (jewelry, feathers and beadwork) while the powwow is not actually going on.

I have observed many people go by an Indian name. I have met Gray Wolf, White Cloud Woman and Two Hawks at the powwows I mentioned in the southeast.

I have even met a few "Chiefs, Shamans and Medicine Men/Women."

Several Indians who were never really involved in powwows in the west, are now spiritual advisors, heads of powwows and authorities in the southeast.

Hmmmmm?

I can see the out-Indianing each other is pretty blatant.

lovlie1 · 11-10-2004, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhoMe

___

lovlie1:

I see what you mean.

When I go to dances east of the Mississippi, there is significantly more Indians who wear Indian things (jewelry, feathers and beadwork) while the powwow is not actually going on.

I have observed many people go by an Indian name. I have met Gray Wolf, White Cloud Woman and Two Hawks at the powwows I mentioned in the southeast.

I have even met a few "Chiefs, Shamans and Medicine Men/Women."

Several Indians who were never really involved in powwows in the west, are now spiritual advisors, heads of powwows and authorities in the southeast.

Hmmmmm?

I can see the out-Indianing each other is pretty blatant.

Oh what u r talking about is another subject in itself. I have met so many down here with so called ndn names like Two feathers, morning dew, and so on. My last name is Still, what am i not an ndn becuase I don't have a name like those folks! HA!

What I am speaking about is the fact that I have heard some folks at these powwows use offensive language (like the "N" word) towards others perhaps maybe because they don't look ndn enough(whatever that is) or they mightbe mixed bloods. that is the crap that i don't get!

DANCINGEAGLE · 11-10-2004, 01:03 PM

Hey Qt, you are probably right. I have often heard them say that they were recognized but I never asked by who. My bad.

Lovlie1, I know what you mean by the ndn names. It seems like someone has to legitimize themselves by using the names. You, also, brought up good points on how people are treated. I have been to p/w's where attitudes run high. Some act like they are better than you because of where they come from.

Like I said though, you have good and bad at all p/w's.

BigTyme · 11-10-2004, 01:20 PM

This is an awesome topic! I believe that WhoMe wrote once or twice about the Southeast. The southeast was the first to be in contact with the Europeans and everyone else. The South got hit hard. A lot of our ceremonies, languages, and traditions were silenced, and or erased.

Pow-Wows are different everywhere. I have traveled to the Narrangansetts (sp), Schemitzun, and many others, and they all do them differently. The one thing is that there is still a consistent way that a Pow-Wow is done.

As far as politics and the back-biting are concerned, that's everywhere! It's not good, and I don't like to see it in our culture. It is just hard enough being an American NDN in this world anyway! It will be grat when the crabs in a barrell will cease. The most part we are all after a common goal and we need to band together and do what we need to do for our people. Whether it be Northeast, Southwest, Northwest, Southeast, we are still Strong Nations. We cannot allow society to bring us down, or a handful of folks that thimk they know everthing.

We do have some good Southeast powwows, and I can't wait for Feb., for the School of Science and Math. But I can wait because it will be a good time.

lovlie1 · 11-10-2004, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigTyme

We do have some good Southeast powwows, and I can't wait for Feb., for the School of Science and Math. But I can wait because it will be a good time.

So when and where is that one?

DANCINGEAGLE · 11-10-2004, 01:45 PM

I hear you BT. I missed Math & Science this year but I hope to go next year. You really brought up some good points.

1badazzndn · 11-10-2004, 05:11 PM

These are most of the TOP powwows in the southeast, that have a good rep, and that many dancers come too. (in no particular order)

1. Seminole Tribal Fair- Hollywood FL
2. Grand Coushatta Celebration- Kinder LA
3. Alabama-Coushatta Annual- Livingston TX
4. Poarch Creek Contest Powwow- Atmore AL
5. Choctaw Veterans Powwow- Philidelphia, MS
6. Cherokee Powwow- Cherokee NC

These powwows u can count on to be good, and that no body named "dreaming trout" and "Gentle Beaver" are the coordinators. Yeah there are some powwows that give the entire southeast a bad rep, they arent even worth mentioning, and yall know a good powwow when u see one!

WhoMe · 11-10-2004, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigTyme

As far as politics and the back-biting are concerned, that's everywhere! It's not good, and I don't like to see it in our culture. It is just hard enough being an American NDN in this world anyway! It will be grat when the crabs in a barrell will cease. The most part we are all after a common goal and we need to band together and do what we need to do for our people.

__

BigT:

Great post! :clapping:

lovlie1 · 11-11-2004, 07:59 AM

And another thing. I wante dto bring up that I saw down here. it is kinda funny and sad at the same time. About a month ago me and my family went to a powwow, and there was this guy there who said he was Cherokee but he wore a full headdress into the circle. What is that about? Correct me if I am wrong now, but that is not proper is it?

Tom Iron Eagle · 11-11-2004, 10:26 AM

This is a good Thread. But we must keep in our minds over and over and over that there are good and bad powwows all over. And don't forget that what is a great powwow to one may not be for another and vice versa. This is due to the fact that many things go on at powwows and when one speaks of a powwow we must realize they are speaking very subjective many times.

And again, we must remember over and over that if the Powwow is Intertribal and or open to the public and has been advertised and publicized then one is going to see anything and just about everything - various Tribes, many different styles of Clothing and of course the "weirdos" will come out too.

As far as that Cherokee person wearing that one headdress - well you have to think, how many people and dancers really dress acording to the true "Clothing" of thier tribe - not many. We see all kinds of Regalia that don't match the Tribe of the person wearing it.

lovlie1 · 11-11-2004, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Iron Eagle

This is a good Thread. But we must keep in our minds over and over and over that there are good and bad powwows all over. And don't forget that what is a great powwow to one may not be for another and vice versa. This is due to the fact that many things go on at powwows and when one speaks of a powwow we must realize they are speaking very subjective many times.

And again, we must remember over and over that if the Powwow is Intertribal and or open to the public and has been advertised and publicized then one is going to see anything and just about everything - various Tribes, many different styles of Clothing and of course the "weirdos" will come out too.

As far as that Cherokee person wearing that one headdress - well you have to think, how many people and dancers really dress acording to the true "Clothing" of thier tribe - not many. We see all kinds of Regalia that don't match the Tribe of the person wearing it.

Very true very true! That I know and understand very much, about powwows being intertribal and we are not wearing all traditional clothes of our own tribe. Because if that was the case I would only be doing stomp dancing, skin dancing and various other social dancing.

And I too understand that what makes a good powwow for one does not neccesarily make it good for another. But I think may main point is how some of the folks act down here!

oldstylegrass89 · 11-16-2004, 04:57 PM

i am not sure if you are willing to make the trip but in louisiana there is the L.I.H.A. powwow in Robert Louisiana in the hidden oaks campground.

lovlie1 · 11-16-2004, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldstylegrass89

i am not sure if you are willing to make the trip but in louisiana there is the L.I.H.A. powwow in Robert Louisiana in the hidden oaks campground.

When is it? And it depends on how long of a drive it is 4 me!

WhoMe · 11-17-2004, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldstylegrass89

i am not sure if you are willing to make the trip but in louisiana there is the L.I.H.A. powwow in Robert Louisiana in the hidden oaks campground.

___

osg89,

I was head dancer at the LIHA powwow when it was at the Tchafunkti (sp?) Campground near Folsom, LA. We were told if you pass it . . . you were Tchafunked up! *L

Anyway, I took 10 of my close friends down there with me (including powwowbum49) and we all danced. I have learned in the past when you are head dancer you need to bring some of your crew with you. Anyway, that's what I did and we had a blast!

Several of the Houma tribe were dressed in their traditional clothing. I was glad to see that.

We also had the opportunity to attend the New Orleans Jazz festival that was going on down the road!

11-10-2004, 01:03 PM	#23 (permalink)
DANCINGEAGLE BikerBoyNDNStyle Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Where the rubber meets the road! Posts: 696	Hey Qt, you are probably right. I have often heard them say that they were recognized but I never asked by who. My bad. Lovlie1, I know what you mean by the ndn names. It seems like someone has to legitimize themselves by using the names. You, also, brought up good points on how people are treated. I have been to p/w's where attitudes run high. Some act like they are better than you because of where they come from. Like I said though, you have good and bad at all p/w's. __________________ Through the good times and bad times, always pray.

11-10-2004, 01:20 PM	#24 (permalink)
BigTyme Pow Wow Visitor Join Date: May 2003 Location: East Coast Posts: 4	The wonderful southeast! This is an awesome topic! I believe that WhoMe wrote once or twice about the Southeast. The southeast was the first to be in contact with the Europeans and everyone else. The South got hit hard. A lot of our ceremonies, languages, and traditions were silenced, and or erased. Pow-Wows are different everywhere. I have traveled to the Narrangansetts (sp), Schemitzun, and many others, and they all do them differently. The one thing is that there is still a consistent way that a Pow-Wow is done. As far as politics and the back-biting are concerned, that's everywhere! It's not good, and I don't like to see it in our culture. It is just hard enough being an American NDN in this world anyway! It will be grat when the crabs in a barrell will cease. The most part we are all after a common goal and we need to band together and do what we need to do for our people. Whether it be Northeast, Southwest, Northwest, Southeast, we are still Strong Nations. We cannot allow society to bring us down, or a handful of folks that thimk they know everthing. We do have some good Southeast powwows, and I can't wait for Feb., for the School of Science and Math. But I can wait because it will be a good time. __________________ Hang on and enjoy the ride!!!!

11-10-2004, 01:45 PM	#26 (permalink)
DANCINGEAGLE BikerBoyNDNStyle Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Where the rubber meets the road! Posts: 696	I hear you BT. I missed Math & Science this year but I hope to go next year. You really brought up some good points. __________________ Through the good times and bad times, always pray.

11-11-2004, 07:59 AM	#29 (permalink)
lovlie1 Junior Dancer Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Somewhere in Atlanta stuck in traffic! Posts: 214	Oh yeah! And another thing. I wante dto bring up that I saw down here. it is kinda funny and sad at the same time. About a month ago me and my family went to a powwow, and there was this guy there who said he was Cherokee but he wore a full headdress into the circle. What is that about? Correct me if I am wrong now, but that is not proper is it? __________________ Stomp dancing all night long

11-11-2004, 10:26 AM	#30 (permalink)
Tom Iron Eagle Teen Dancer Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Florida Posts: 370	South East This is a good Thread. But we must keep in our minds over and over and over that there are good and bad powwows all over. And don't forget that what is a great powwow to one may not be for another and vice versa. This is due to the fact that many things go on at powwows and when one speaks of a powwow we must realize they are speaking very subjective many times. And again, we must remember over and over that if the Powwow is Intertribal and or open to the public and has been advertised and publicized then one is going to see anything and just about everything - various Tribes, many different styles of Clothing and of course the "weirdos" will come out too. As far as that Cherokee person wearing that one headdress - well you have to think, how many people and dancers really dress acording to the true "Clothing" of thier tribe - not many. We see all kinds of Regalia that don't match the Tribe of the person wearing it.

11-10-2004, 05:11 PM	#27 (permalink)
1badazzndn SNAGNOMETRY 101 Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: tha dirty south, and Powwow Country Posts: 353	These are most of the TOP powwows in the southeast, that have a good rep, and that many dancers come too. (in no particular order) 1. Seminole Tribal Fair- Hollywood FL 2. Grand Coushatta Celebration- Kinder LA 3. Alabama-Coushatta Annual- Livingston TX 4. Poarch Creek Contest Powwow- Atmore AL 5. Choctaw Veterans Powwow- Philidelphia, MS 6. Cherokee Powwow- Cherokee NC These powwows u can count on to be good, and that no body named "dreaming trout" and "Gentle Beaver" are the coordinators. Yeah there are some powwows that give the entire southeast a bad rep, they arent even worth mentioning, and yall know a good powwow when u see one!

11-16-2004, 04:57 PM	#32 (permalink)
oldstylegrass89 Pow Wow Visitor Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3	i am not sure if you are willing to make the trip but in louisiana there is the L.I.H.A. powwow in Robert Louisiana in the hidden oaks campground.