Powwow MP3's!

Moose Guts · 10-27-2004, 04:45 PM

Hey Powwow Peeps

I am a shameless downloader of music - but I can't find powwow MP3's anywhere. I have found the odd one or two but none of any significance.

I buy all of the powwow music that I can from the couple of places that sell powwow CD's...but it is nearly impossible to find old stuff, new stuff, or really good stuff.

So - quit holding out...where do you get your powwow MP3's? Post the info if you so desire...but I definately don't need a speech on supporting artists by buying the CD's from them...we all know that the drum groups get screwed by the labels they are signed with.

Peace and Love

Ryan
www.moosegutstheatre.com

1badazzndn · 10-27-2004, 04:55 PM

you can get some good tunes from kazaa and audiogalaxy. They are the best programs that I have used with the most Native music. A lot of what i downloaded is recorded live as well, but the most part is off popular powwow cds. Happy Hunting!

ndn_lady · 10-28-2004, 03:10 AM

I dont know anything about Powwow MP3's or anything...

I support drum groups by buying music/cd's ~from the drums~, because it helps them to get out and travel and make some tunes that you can hear...even if you are eventually getting them thru MP3's or whatever.
IF you really enjoyed powwow music you would do the same...

1badazzndn · 10-28-2004, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ndn_lady

I support drum groups by buying music/cd's ~from the drums~, because it helps them to get out and travel and make some tunes that you can hear...even if you are eventually getting them thru MP3's or whatever.
IF you really enjoyed powwow music you would do the same...

I am a singer myself and sell our cds at every powwow we set up at. I understand the importance of supporting groups, thats how we travel and buy rooms and gas. I buy drum' cds all the time, the only things I get off the internet are other people's live recordings that I dont have. There's nothing wrong with that!

Coyot_In_The_House · 10-28-2004, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Moose Guts

Hey Powwow Peeps

I am a shameless downloader of music - but I can't find powwow MP3's anywhere. I have found the odd one or two but none of any significance.

I buy all of the powwow music that I can from the couple of places that sell powwow CD's...but it is nearly impossible to find old stuff, new stuff, or really good stuff.

So - quit holding out...where do you get your powwow MP3's? Post the info if you so desire...but I definately don't need a speech on supporting artists by buying the CD's from them...we all know that the drum groups get screwed by the labels they are signed with.

Peace and Love

Ryan
www.moosegutstheatre.com

However some groups produce their own Music.....As well regradless of what a record company does the music belongs to the people....Even more specific the group. Powwow singers can do well on CD sales but nowhere near the amount of revenue mainstream pop artists etc. make......I shouldn't even imply it's "cool" to get over on tunes. You'll notice some groups are taking the steps to protect their music....Maybe it's just me, but what's the big deal as far as paying a group for a CD?

Moose Guts · 10-28-2004, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ndn_lady

I dont know anything about Powwow MP3's or anything...

I support drum groups by buying music/cd's ~from the drums~, because it helps them to get out and travel and make some tunes that you can hear...even if you are eventually getting them thru MP3's or whatever.
IF you really enjoyed powwow music you would do the same...

NDN_LADY

Thanks for the shopping advice...none needed though - I do buy music from drums at powwows, but, as I said in my post, it is really hard to find music where I am. I live in Fort Frances, ON and there aren't alot of drums in this area that are pushing CD's right now. I guess one option would be the internet, but again, MOST labels rip the drum groups off in their agreements and the drums never see the money anyway.

THUS, my philosopy, screw the labels - hear the music for free via MP3, and, when hear a song or a group that I like...I buy their CD at the next powwow I see them at.

Trust me, I buy most of my music, but there is nothing like hearing an old Mandaree tune from the 80's that I would have never found anywhere else but someones MP3 collection...makes me feel like a kid at XMAS.

Peace and Love

Ryan

Moose Guts · 10-28-2004, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Coyot_In_The_House

However some groups produce their own Music.....As well regradless of what a record company does the music belongs to the people....Even more specific the group. Powwow singers can do well on CD sales but nowhere near the amount of revenue mainstream pop artists etc. make......I shouldn't even imply it's "cool" to get over on tunes. You'll notice some groups are taking the steps to protect their music....Maybe it's just me, but what's the big deal as far as paying a group for a CD?

Coyote

Very true, this is what my drum group did...self produce. I think it is the best way, but thats just my opinion.

As for buying CD's - I DO. I would say 90% of my music is bought and paid for. Right now 100% of my powwow music is paid for - thus my prediciment. I think the argument of buying CD's versus MP3 (file sharing), is one that will go nowhere fast - especially with the number of recorders I see at powwows (myself included).

The music does belong to the group - I agree - but, what is the difference between music recorded at powwows via personal recorders, or someones files over the internet?

Peace

Ryan

Coyot_In_The_House · 10-28-2004, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Moose Guts

Coyote

Very true, this is what my drum group did...self produce. I think it is the best way, but thats just my opinion.

As for buying CD's - I DO. I would say 90% of my music is bought and paid for. Right now 100% of my powwow music is paid for - thus my prediciment. I think the argument of buying CD's versus MP3 (file sharing), is one that will go nowhere fast - especially with the number of recorders I see at powwows (myself included).

The music does belong to the group - I agree - but, what is the difference between music recorded at powwows via personal recorders, or someones files over the internet?

Peace

Ryan

That's a good point as far as recording live or downloading....Some what of a difference though as far as copying a marketed CD....I've noticed several folks who record live will purchase a CD or 2....Just the idea of someone recording your music and without your permission putting it out there? I hear what your saying though as far as companies taking "liberties" Case in point.....

An individual who I won't name...Recorded us at a Powwow and turned around and packaged and marketed a recording?!!? Never said Jack to us? Had to find out by just coming across it....Never had persmission.....Still hasn't compensated us....?

Moose Guts · 10-28-2004, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Coyot_In_The_House

That's a good point as far as recording live or downloading....Some what of a difference though as far as copying a marketed CD....I've noticed several folks who record live will purchase a CD or 2....Just the idea of someone recording your music and without your permission putting it out there? I hear what your saying though as far as companies taking "liberties" Case in point.....

An individual who I won't name...Recorded us at a Powwow and turned around and packaged and marketed a recording?!!? Never said Jack to us? Had to find out by just coming across it....Never had persmission.....Still hasn't compensated us....?

Coyote

That is so f'd up man...that's what lawyers are for. And you should name them, so we know who to stay away from.

I guess the way I see the whole file sharing thing is that if I hear a song I like from a drum group - then I WILL go get the CD.

For example: I have never heard anything by Little Island Cree or Young Scouts, but someone listed them as Kick A** Round Dance Singers in another thread! If I could hear it, I'd probably buy it.

Also, maybe another thing to think about...if your music reaches more and more people (through CD sales or MP3's), doesn't that increase your chances to be INVITED to a powwow as HOST or CO-HOST. For up and coming drum groups, I would think that filesharing would be a good thing - to show everyone what they got (LOL). Just a thought!

Peace

Ryan

1badazzndn · 10-28-2004, 07:32 PM

I feel ya coyote, thats messed up what that guy did. On another note, it aint like I can find a whole cd online in the exact order that it came, in the same quality as the actual cd. Normally online there's only a couple of tracks or so from one particular album. To be honest, I dont mind our songs being online because that just gives us more exposure, and our name is recognized.

Coyot_In_The_House · 10-29-2004, 11:28 AM

Although the best exposure you are going to get is to hit the trail and put your music out there....Yes there are people who may live off the beaten path, but a website of your group can assist with that....My quirk was with recording or in actuality dubbing a groups music....Somewhere somone out there is making a buck off of that not the group who should be entitled to it.

As far as the "sneak" who ripped us off.....What goes around comes around....

ABENEWA KWE · 10-31-2004, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Coyot_In_The_House

That's a good point as far as recording live or downloading....Some what of a difference though as far as copying a marketed CD....I've noticed several folks who record live will purchase a CD or 2....Just the idea of someone recording your music and without your permission putting it out there? I hear what your saying though as far as companies taking "liberties" Case in point.....

An individual who I won't name...Recorded us at a Powwow and turned around and packaged and marketed a recording?!!? Never said Jack to us? Had to find out by just coming across it....Never had persmission.....Still hasn't compensated us....?

damn... that sucks .... packaged yer stuff, that is strate foul!!!! wow.... what type of sh*t is that!

oOoSouthernStyozoOo · 01-27-2005, 11:08 AM

I buy my cds, and put them on my comp, and then put it on my mp3 player, thats what i did to the cd i bought yesterday...lol...since i dont got a cd player

10-27-2004, 04:45 PM	#1 (permalink)
Moose Guts MooseGuts Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba Posts: 37	Powwow MP3's! Hey Powwow Peeps I am a shameless downloader of music - but I can't find powwow MP3's anywhere. I have found the odd one or two but none of any significance. I buy all of the powwow music that I can from the couple of places that sell powwow CD's...but it is nearly impossible to find old stuff, new stuff, or really good stuff. So - quit holding out...where do you get your powwow MP3's? Post the info if you so desire...but I definately don't need a speech on supporting artists by buying the CD's from them...we all know that the drum groups get screwed by the labels they are signed with. Peace and Love Ryan www.moosegutstheatre.com __________________ www.moosegutslive.com www.clarencetwotoes.com

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ndn_lady Junior Dancer Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: >>>U.S.A<<< Posts: 109	I dont know anything about Powwow MP3's or anything... I support drum groups by buying music/cd's ~from the drums~, because it helps them to get out and travel and make some tunes that you can hear...even if you are eventually getting them thru MP3's or whatever. IF you really enjoyed powwow music you would do the same... __________________ ___________ :hey!: True Story!

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Coyot_In_The_House uhvdlv Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 3,967	I agree with both of you..... Although the best exposure you are going to get is to hit the trail and put your music out there....Yes there are people who may live off the beaten path, but a website of your group can assist with that....My quirk was with recording or in actuality dubbing a groups music....Somewhere somone out there is making a buck off of that not the group who should be entitled to it. As far as the "sneak" who ripped us off.....What goes around comes around....

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1badazzndn SNAGNOMETRY 101 Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: tha dirty south, and Powwow Country Posts: 353	you can get some good tunes from kazaa and audiogalaxy. They are the best programs that I have used with the most Native music. A lot of what i downloaded is recorded live as well, but the most part is off popular powwow cds. Happy Hunting!

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1badazzndn SNAGNOMETRY 101 Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: tha dirty south, and Powwow Country Posts: 353	I feel ya coyote, thats messed up what that guy did. On another note, it aint like I can find a whole cd online in the exact order that it came, in the same quality as the actual cd. Normally online there's only a couple of tracks or so from one particular album. To be honest, I dont mind our songs being online because that just gives us more exposure, and our name is recognized.

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