Kinder winners?

nativemom · 10-04-2004, 11:15 AM

Someone post the winners please. Drums and gossip too if ya got it.

sltate · 10-04-2004, 11:16 PM

I was there and I will post what I can remember(which is not a whole lot, it was a long day)
Womens:
Southern Buckskin:
1st Jackie Tsontekoy
2nd Tonya Moore
3rd Keri Jhane Myers
4th Toni Tsatoke

N/S Cloth:
1st Ponka-We Victors
2nd Yvonne Sadongei
3rd Laura Sage
4th Mia Cozad

Jingle:
1st:; Acosia Leighton
2nd: Rowena Roberts
3rd: Yolanda Poncho
(that was all, just three)

Fancy:
1st Josette Wawasac(spelling?)
2nd Lisa Ewalk-Noon
3rd: ?
4th ?

Golden Age Northern
1st T. T. Shields
2nd Maggie Black kettle
3rd: Mrs. Herman Logan
4th Mrs. Track

GA Southern Buckskin
1st Charlene Cozad
2nd Linda Tsontekoy
3rd Toni Tsatoke's mom
4th I think Joneda Sage (some kind of mix up on points or something, not too sure)

GA Cloth
1st Mable Cozad
2nd Charlotte McCurtain
3rd ?
4th ?

Yvette Ewalk's Side Step Special
Winner take all: Anna Mae Pushetonequa
she also won the golden age jingle/fancy

Mens:
Southern Fancy
'Micheal Roberts
?
Gabe Bullock
Harold Rogers

Northern Fancy
Doug Scholfield
Jerry Cleveland, Jr.
?
?

Old STyle tRadish:
Charley Hindsley
Donavon Abbey
?
Nathan Smith(he missed the first grand entry)

Contemporary
Gabe Cleveland
Dana Warrington
?
?

Grass
Rusty Gillette
Dale Roberts
?
Kyle Pacheco

Straight
Terry Tsotigh
Denny Medicinebird
Angelo Norman
Leonard Koshiway

Golden Age Straight
Lewis Cozad
Larry McCurtain
Vernon Harragarra
Darrel Moore

Pat Moore Special
Charley Hindsley(this was a good contest)
consolation Kevin Haywayhe, Norman Largo, Nathan Smith

singing:
Northern:
Little Eagle
StoneyCreek or Mountain anyways, from NC
The Bucks
?
Southern:
Southern Boys
Eagle Claw
just two drums

JingleJammer · 10-05-2004, 12:29 AM

I just to say congrats to my boys Stoney Creek!! and to Rowena Roberts and Toni Tsatoke... hope yall had fun at the powwow, i'm going to make it to this one day!! :)

nativemom · 10-05-2004, 11:39 AM

Who won in northern traditional? Did Jodi win?

sltate · 10-05-2004, 04:00 PM

Sorry, forgot N. Traditional Women
1st Jodi Gillette
2nd?
3rd somebody Abbey
4th Justine MacArthur

I think a young lady in an orange beaded top was in second place, just can't really remember.

It was kind of small this year, alot of locals, thus alot of local winners but alot of Canadians were there too. Alot of good dancers were left out in the Men's Northern original and contemporary. Kevin Haywayhe placed, and he flat jammed though my vote was on Dana Warrington,(but I didn't get to judge, haha)
Marilyn Mountain and Nathan Smith missed the first grand entry, so Marilyn did not place in golden age, but nathan got in at the end of original.
Not too many fancy dancers, northern and southern...just enough to fill the categories in most contests. Jingle was not even full. Cloth and Men's traditional were the biggest categories. That contemporary was a good contest, they were all jamming.
I think I heard that next year the committee is going to try to get the original staff, Dale, Jonathon, Rg, Wallace to come back. Hopefully that will bring the dancers back, because this pow wow used to be huge.

mizz_sofia49 · 10-05-2004, 05:12 PM

WHo Else placed in the Northern singing contest???

boiled meat · 10-05-2004, 05:27 PM

Word is this is a big "party" pow-wow, with the casino bar going full blast 24/7. The other big rumor is if you don't party your chances of winning are slim. That is the word on the trail and I know most have heard.

Let me ask this question, does a Dale, Wallace, RG and Jonathan really bring in the dancers?

I would think a fair judging pow-wow with a good payout would be the attraction.

**ojibwaysweetie** · 10-06-2004, 02:03 AM

Yayyy Dana Warrington

:D

sltate · 10-06-2004, 11:25 AM

Well, rumors will be rumors. LOL Isn't just about every big contest pow wow a party pow wow. This is a Grand Casino pow wow and the bar is 24/7. I have been going there for about 9 years and I have never partied at the bar, but I have placed there several times.
As far as Jonathon, Rg, Wallace and Dale...when you bring in a arena staff that knows people from all tribes and areas, then you will have judges that know the different styles and how they are to be danced. As well as MC's that know the styles and the decorum for the different styles, what songs to ask for, etc. I feel more comfortable with an arena staff who is from different areas of the US and who travel and know the arena than when you come to a pow wow that has local staff. When you have local staff, they are going to pick local judges, therefore you get local winners. How fair is that to the people that have traveled from out of state or from another area of the country to compete?
Not just Jonathon and RG but any arena directors that are knowledgeable of the dances and the arena is a good idea.
That goes for any pow wow, isn't safe to say that when you see a flyer that you will decide whether you want to go to compete by looking at the head staff? That goes for any area of indian country, not just Kinder, but anywhere.
This is a good pow wow and they are very, very hospitable to their guests. To label this pow wow as a party pow wow is not fair because I have been to several pow wows throughout indian country and if you wanted put that sort of label on a pow wow...it could fit anywhere.

**ac_miss** · 10-06-2004, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boiled meat

Word is this is a big "party" pow-wow, with the casino bar going full blast 24/7. The other big rumor is if you don't party your chances of winning are slim. That is the word on the trail and I know most have heard.

:lol2:

mountaindew · 10-06-2004, 05:21 PM

First of all, congratulations to all the winners. Now my comments on the pow wow. I agree with sltate's comments that "just about every big contest pow wow a party pow wow." But judging from the list of winners at this year's pow wow, I think a majority of them don't party. There might be a "few" who do like to do that sort of thing but I'd say that the party hearty gang weren't there this year (guess they all went to Parker, AZ), just kidding. But I do agree with boiled meat's observation on partying. In the past few years, those that do party have a tendancy to win the top prize. My thinking is that if you have a good head judging staff, they would and should pick judges that don't go out and party. But then it's hard to break the "vicious" cycle (same old judges picking their friends). I'm waiting for the day when judges actually pick dancers on their dancing ability and not by who they know or drink with.

western_wishes · 10-06-2004, 09:23 PM

Who won the Abby's Chicken Dance special?

mizz_sofia49 · 10-06-2004, 10:47 PM

Who Was All the DRUMS at Kinder This year?? aNy goooood Ones?? loooks like there was a couple good ones there.... who were the drums that didnt place??

**Smeshigaud** · 10-06-2004, 11:02 PM

Congrats to Dana W and tha Bucks!!!

Also Congrats to all the other winners!

coushatta_girl · 10-07-2004, 03:13 AM

the ones that placed in my uncles special was
#1 Rusty Gillette
#2 Dana Warrington
#3 Nathan Largo

and 3 consolations!! it was a pretty good special!!!All types of songs for them to dance too!!

1badazzndn · 10-07-2004, 01:19 PM

correction in the drum contest: kingbird took third and the bucks got fourth.

blkjack_daisy · 10-07-2004, 01:58 PM

The young

10-04-2004, 11:15 AM	#1 (permalink)
nativemom Teen Dancer Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: North Dakota Posts: 263	Kinder winners? Someone post the winners please. Drums and gossip too if ya got it.

10-05-2004, 05:12 PM	#6 (permalink)
mizz_sofia49 Tiny Tot Dancer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: On A ReZ Posts: 40	WHo Else placed in the Northern singing contest??? __________________ Life's Too Short to 49 With Ugly Men!

10-06-2004, 02:03 AM	#8 (permalink)
ojibwaysweetie PowWows.com Addicts Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Heart of the Great Lakes, Ontario Canada Posts: 5,003	Yayyy Dana Warrington :D __________________ "Gaa wiin daa-aangoshkigaazo ahaw enaabiyaan gaa-inaabid"

10-06-2004, 10:47 PM	#13 (permalink)
mizz_sofia49 Tiny Tot Dancer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: On A ReZ Posts: 40	Who Was All the DRUMS at Kinder This year?? aNy goooood Ones?? loooks like there was a couple good ones there.... who were the drums that didnt place?? __________________ Life's Too Short to 49 With Ugly Men!

10-06-2004, 11:02 PM	#14 (permalink)
Smeshigaud PowWows.com Addicts Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,155	Congrats to Dana W and tha Bucks!!! Also Congrats to all the other winners! __________________ He's the type of rez I like ~A. Waquie Nov. 2003~

10-04-2004, 11:16 PM	#2 (permalink)
sltate Senior Dancer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: apache,ok Posts: 559	I was there and I will post what I can remember(which is not a whole lot, it was a long day) Womens: Southern Buckskin: 1st Jackie Tsontekoy 2nd Tonya Moore 3rd Keri Jhane Myers 4th Toni Tsatoke N/S Cloth: 1st Ponka-We Victors 2nd Yvonne Sadongei 3rd Laura Sage 4th Mia Cozad Jingle: 1st:; Acosia Leighton 2nd: Rowena Roberts 3rd: Yolanda Poncho (that was all, just three) Fancy: 1st Josette Wawasac(spelling?) 2nd Lisa Ewalk-Noon 3rd: ? 4th ? Golden Age Northern 1st T. T. Shields 2nd Maggie Black kettle 3rd: Mrs. Herman Logan 4th Mrs. Track GA Southern Buckskin 1st Charlene Cozad 2nd Linda Tsontekoy 3rd Toni Tsatoke's mom 4th I think Joneda Sage (some kind of mix up on points or something, not too sure) GA Cloth 1st Mable Cozad 2nd Charlotte McCurtain 3rd ? 4th ? Yvette Ewalk's Side Step Special Winner take all: Anna Mae Pushetonequa she also won the golden age jingle/fancy Mens: Southern Fancy 'Micheal Roberts ? Gabe Bullock Harold Rogers Northern Fancy Doug Scholfield Jerry Cleveland, Jr. ? ? Old STyle tRadish: Charley Hindsley Donavon Abbey ? Nathan Smith(he missed the first grand entry) Contemporary Gabe Cleveland Dana Warrington ? ? Grass Rusty Gillette Dale Roberts ? Kyle Pacheco Straight Terry Tsotigh Denny Medicinebird Angelo Norman Leonard Koshiway Golden Age Straight Lewis Cozad Larry McCurtain Vernon Harragarra Darrel Moore Pat Moore Special Charley Hindsley(this was a good contest) consolation Kevin Haywayhe, Norman Largo, Nathan Smith singing: Northern: Little Eagle StoneyCreek or Mountain anyways, from NC The Bucks ? Southern: Southern Boys Eagle Claw just two drums

10-05-2004, 12:29 AM	#3 (permalink)
JingleJammer Junior Dancer Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: powwow here, powwow there Posts: 156	I just to say congrats to my boys Stoney Creek!! and to Rowena Roberts and Toni Tsatoke... hope yall had fun at the powwow, i'm going to make it to this one day!! :)

10-05-2004, 11:39 AM	#4 (permalink)
nativemom Teen Dancer Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: North Dakota Posts: 263	Who won in northern traditional? Did Jodi win?

10-05-2004, 04:00 PM	#5 (permalink)
sltate Senior Dancer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: apache,ok Posts: 559	Sorry, forgot N. Traditional Women 1st Jodi Gillette 2nd? 3rd somebody Abbey 4th Justine MacArthur I think a young lady in an orange beaded top was in second place, just can't really remember. It was kind of small this year, alot of locals, thus alot of local winners but alot of Canadians were there too. Alot of good dancers were left out in the Men's Northern original and contemporary. Kevin Haywayhe placed, and he flat jammed though my vote was on Dana Warrington,(but I didn't get to judge, haha) Marilyn Mountain and Nathan Smith missed the first grand entry, so Marilyn did not place in golden age, but nathan got in at the end of original. Not too many fancy dancers, northern and southern...just enough to fill the categories in most contests. Jingle was not even full. Cloth and Men's traditional were the biggest categories. That contemporary was a good contest, they were all jamming. I think I heard that next year the committee is going to try to get the original staff, Dale, Jonathon, Rg, Wallace to come back. Hopefully that will bring the dancers back, because this pow wow used to be huge.

10-05-2004, 05:27 PM	#7 (permalink)
boiled meat Pow Wow Visitor Join Date: May 2004 Location: day to day Posts: 13	Word is this is a big "party" pow-wow, with the casino bar going full blast 24/7. The other big rumor is if you don't party your chances of winning are slim. That is the word on the trail and I know most have heard. Let me ask this question, does a Dale, Wallace, RG and Jonathan really bring in the dancers? I would think a fair judging pow-wow with a good payout would be the attraction.

10-06-2004, 11:25 AM	#9 (permalink)
sltate Senior Dancer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: apache,ok Posts: 559	Well, rumors will be rumors. LOL Isn't just about every big contest pow wow a party pow wow. This is a Grand Casino pow wow and the bar is 24/7. I have been going there for about 9 years and I have never partied at the bar, but I have placed there several times. As far as Jonathon, Rg, Wallace and Dale...when you bring in a arena staff that knows people from all tribes and areas, then you will have judges that know the different styles and how they are to be danced. As well as MC's that know the styles and the decorum for the different styles, what songs to ask for, etc. I feel more comfortable with an arena staff who is from different areas of the US and who travel and know the arena than when you come to a pow wow that has local staff. When you have local staff, they are going to pick local judges, therefore you get local winners. How fair is that to the people that have traveled from out of state or from another area of the country to compete? Not just Jonathon and RG but any arena directors that are knowledgeable of the dances and the arena is a good idea. That goes for any pow wow, isn't safe to say that when you see a flyer that you will decide whether you want to go to compete by looking at the head staff? That goes for any area of indian country, not just Kinder, but anywhere. This is a good pow wow and they are very, very hospitable to their guests. To label this pow wow as a party pow wow is not fair because I have been to several pow wows throughout indian country and if you wanted put that sort of label on a pow wow...it could fit anywhere.

10-06-2004, 05:21 PM	#11 (permalink)
mountaindew Junior Dancer Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: South of the Canadian Border Posts: 121	First of all, congratulations to all the winners. Now my comments on the pow wow. I agree with sltate's comments that "just about every big contest pow wow a party pow wow." But judging from the list of winners at this year's pow wow, I think a majority of them don't party. There might be a "few" who do like to do that sort of thing but I'd say that the party hearty gang weren't there this year (guess they all went to Parker, AZ), just kidding. But I do agree with boiled meat's observation on partying. In the past few years, those that do party have a tendancy to win the top prize. My thinking is that if you have a good head judging staff, they would and should pick judges that don't go out and party. But then it's hard to break the "vicious" cycle (same old judges picking their friends). I'm waiting for the day when judges actually pick dancers on their dancing ability and not by who they know or drink with.

10-06-2004, 09:23 PM	#12 (permalink)
western_wishes Tiny Tot Dancer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 38	Who won the Abby's Chicken Dance special?

10-07-2004, 03:13 AM	#15 (permalink)
coushatta_girl Pow Wow Visitor Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 3	the ones that placed in my uncles special was #1 Rusty Gillette #2 Dana Warrington #3 Nathan Largo and 3 consolations!! it was a pretty good special!!!All types of songs for them to dance too!!

10-07-2004, 01:19 PM	#16 (permalink)
1badazzndn SNAGNOMETRY 101 Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: tha dirty south, and Powwow Country Posts: 353	correction in the drum contest: kingbird took third and the bucks got fourth.

10-07-2004, 01:58 PM	#17 (permalink)
blkjack_daisy #1 Sooner Fan Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Land of the Sooners Posts: 68	The young