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Old 07-14-2004, 02:12 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Question Is fancy shawl the same as fancy shawl war dance?

What is this? Is it done differently??? I read some posts that refer to ladies fancy shawl as the fancy shawl war dance..just wondering...

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I'll give it a go:

The Fancy Shawl War Dance started over two hundred years ago when women would dance wearing leather dresses and full leather shawls. They would drape the shawl over their entire bodies and then BURST forth re-born and new and start dancing!!

I heard this explanation over the microphone at the Edisto Indian Pow Wow in South Carolina a few years ago so it must be true :rofl2:
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I'll give it a go:

The Fancy Shawl War Dance started over two hundred years ago when women would dance wearing leather dresses and full leather shawls. They would drape the shawl over their entire bodies and then BURST forth re-born and new and start dancing!!

I heard this explanation over the microphone at the Edisto Indian Pow Wow in South Carolina a few years ago so it must be true :rofl2:
What? LMAO this is wild!
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Fancy Shawl War Dance...

While Singerdad tells the reader's digest Lakota version, THIS is the full unabridged version. As told to me in White Clay, one Saturday night, over half a G....

The Fancy Shawl Dance was started many moons ago by a young Og named Gracie. Now one winter day when she was dancing at the Upper Cut Meat wacipi, it was very very cold, like it gets on the plains in December. Now you have to remember this is before gym's, civic center's and Hockey arena's that we dance in now in the winter. Gracie was complaining about how cold it was dancing in just a dress so Chico takes the buffalo robe they are using to save their spot on the bleachers and tells her to wear it. Welllll the buffalo robe works great!!! Gracie is warm and snug and in her happiness she kicks it out and busts a move all over the place. You know how people copy so pretty soon all Lakota women are dancing with buffalo robes. Any of you that have ever been under a buffalo robe knows it is pretty darn warm, so the robe was a great idea in the winter but as spring came around it was pretty warm to be dancing with. That summer when Gracie went to Red Earth, she was telling one of her okie friends about how warm the robe was. As luck would have it her friend was a seamtress and those okie's were making everything out of cloth by than anyway, so she whips up a shawl out of broadcloth, for Gracie. Well Gracie's new shawl was light and wasn't near as warm as the buffalo robe so she could tear it up, even in Okla in June. Now you real Indian's know that if someone gives you something you need to give them something of equal value back, so Gracie gave her Okie friend the rights to the Fancy Buffalo Robe dance that she invented, in exchange for the cloth shawl that they made her.

Gracie showed the Okie's the dance and won the contest at Red Earth that year. The Okie women were dancing fancy feather in those days, right along with the men, and beating them pretty routinely. Whome can verify this, he is an old fancy dancer from a by gone era. Well the Okie women loved the dance and they were getting tired of beating the men and when they beat the men they couldn't get any action at the 9 because the men would be pouting. Fancy Buffalo Robe dancing took Okla by storm. They changed to name to Fancy Shawl after they shawl they invented and that the name, Fancy Buffalo robe dance, took up too much room on the poster and Wallace had a hard time saying it when he tried to call the contest.

The name Fancy Shawl WAR dance started because them Okie women said if the men could have Fancy Feather War dance they could have a war dance too, because everyone knows them okie women run their men and don't listen to anyone. Well that's what super told me anyway.

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While Singerdad tells the reader's digest Lakota version, THIS is the full unabridged version. As told to me in White Clay, one Saturday night, over half a G....

The Fancy Shawl Dance was started many moons ago by a young Og named Gracie. Now one winter day when she was dancing at the Upper Cut Meat wacipi, it was very very cold, like it gets on the plains in December. Now you have to remember this is before gym's, civic center's and Hockey arena's that we dance in now in the winter. Gracie was complaining about how cold it was dancing in just a dress so Chico takes the buffalo robe they are using to save their spot on the bleachers and tells her to wear it. Welllll the buffalo robe works great!!! Gracie is warm and snug and in her happiness she kicks it out and busts a move all over the place. You know how people copy so pretty soon all Lakota women are dancing with buffalo robes. Any of you that have ever been under a buffalo robe knows it is pretty darn warm, so the robe was a great idea in the winter but as spring came around it was pretty warm to be dancing with. That summer when Gracie went to Red Earth, she was telling one of her okie friends about how warm the robe was. As luck would have it her friend was a seamtress and those okie's were making everything out of cloth by than anyway, so she whips up a shawl out of broadcloth, for Gracie. Well Gracie's new shawl was light and wasn't near as warm as the buffalo robe so she could tear it up, even in Okla in June. Now you real Indian's know that if someone gives you something you need to give them something of equal value back, so Gracie gave her Okie friend the rights to the Fancy Buffalo Robe dance that she invented, in exchange for the cloth shawl that they made her.

Gracie showed the Okie's the dance and won the contest at Red Earth that year. The Okie women were dancing fancy feather in those days, right along with the men, and beating them pretty routinely. Whome can verify this, he is an old fancy dancer from a by gone era. Well the Okie women loved the dance and they were getting tired of beating the men and when they beat the men they couldn't get any action at the 9 because the men would be pouting. Fancy Buffalo Robe dancing took Okla by storm. They changed to name to Fancy Shawl after they shawl they invented and that the name, Fancy Buffalo robe dance, took up too much room on the poster and Wallace had a hard time saying it when he tried to call the contest.

The name Fancy Shawl WAR dance started because them Okie women said if the men could have Fancy Feather War dance they could have a war dance too, because everyone knows them okie women run their men and don't listen to anyone. Well that's what super told me anyway.

Aho, Steve has spoken.

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While Singerdad tells the reader's digest Lakota version, THIS is the full unabridged version. As told to me in White Clay, one Saturday night, over half a G....

The Fancy Shawl Dance was started many moons ago by a young Og named Gracie. Now one winter day when she was dancing at the Upper Cut Meat wacipi, it was very very cold, like it gets on the plains in December. Now you have to remember this is before gym's, civic center's and Hockey arena's that we dance in now in the winter. Gracie was complaining about how cold it was dancing in just a dress so Chico takes the buffalo robe they are using to save their spot on the bleachers and tells her to wear it. Welllll the buffalo robe works great!!! Gracie is warm and snug and in her happiness she kicks it out and busts a move all over the place. You know how people copy so pretty soon all Lakota women are dancing with buffalo robes. Any of you that have ever been under a buffalo robe knows it is pretty darn warm, so the robe was a great idea in the winter but as spring came around it was pretty warm to be dancing with. That summer when Gracie went to Red Earth, she was telling one of her okie friends about how warm the robe was. As luck would have it her friend was a seamtress and those okie's were making everything out of cloth by than anyway, so she whips up a shawl out of broadcloth, for Gracie. Well Gracie's new shawl was light and wasn't near as warm as the buffalo robe so she could tear it up, even in Okla in June. Now you real Indian's know that if someone gives you something you need to give them something of equal value back, so Gracie gave her Okie friend the rights to the Fancy Buffalo Robe dance that she invented, in exchange for the cloth shawl that they made her.

Gracie showed the Okie's the dance and won the contest at Red Earth that year. The Okie women were dancing fancy feather in those days, right along with the men, and beating them pretty routinely. Whome can verify this, he is an old fancy dancer from a by gone era. Well the Okie women loved the dance and they were getting tired of beating the men and when they beat the men they couldn't get any action at the 9 because the men would be pouting. Fancy Buffalo Robe dancing took Okla by storm. They changed to name to Fancy Shawl after they shawl they invented and that the name, Fancy Buffalo robe dance, took up too much room on the poster and Wallace had a hard time saying it when he tried to call the contest.

The name Fancy Shawl WAR dance started because them Okie women said if the men could have Fancy Feather War dance they could have a war dance too, because everyone knows them okie women run their men and don't listen to anyone. Well that's what super told me anyway.

Aho, Steve has spoken.

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