Suggestions for Pow Wow Idol

Paul G · 10-16-2007, 06:09 PM

I'd like to start a discussion on how to improve Pow Wow Idol.

We still have several rounds to go and I plan on doing this again in the future.

And I've had a few users tell me the voting is confusing. So please tell me how this can be made better and easier.

Thanks

LSS · 10-16-2007, 11:19 PM

Paul,

I think the biggest problem is that we are getting new users or those who rarely come on line and they don't know how to do things when it comes to the contest. So, I don't know if it's anything we're doing...but rather what folks are/are not doing.

As far as the contest is concerned...have you thought about having evaluators to periodically post about the music? I think I had mentioned this before. I would allow people who know nothing about singing an opportunity to learn something. And quite possibly, have (say 3 evaluators) to split up the songs for contest and post. For example...evaluator A listens to 5 songs/groups on Monday and listen to another 5 on another day and the last 5 on the 3rd day. All the same time, evaluators B & C are doing the same thing but with another pool of groups. Afterwards, they offer 3 different opinions (which may overlap) to help generate interest amongst more of our members and even educate more of our new members.

I hope that is at least clear as mud!

LSS

hobbs49 · 10-23-2007, 08:10 AM

Hi Paul, I'm kinda of the opinion that this is dragging out too long. Two weeks of voting followed by a week of downtime. I'd like to see either a shorter voting period or the elimination of the downtime. The downtime elimination is my perferred as that way there is always something going on in Powwow Idol and it's harder to forget that there is a contest taking place. Actually I just want to know who's going to win! :-)

Also I think that it's rediculous that you have to post the "This is not a vote" messages all the time. I'd post one at the top of each drum group thread call it good. If drums are gonna bring folks onto the site to vote, they need to also tell them what to do.

Paul G · 10-23-2007, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by hobbs49

Hi Paul, I'm kinda of the opinion that this is dragging out too long. Two weeks of voting followed by a week of downtime. I'd like to see either a shorter voting period or the elimination of the downtime. The downtime elimination is my perferred as that way there is always something going on in Powwow Idol and it's harder to forget that there is a contest taking place. Actually I just want to know who's going to win! :-)

I agree that this contest is long! But the drums wanted the extra week. They want some time after voting to record the song for the next round. I thought at the beginning that drums might get together and record several rounds at one time. But that's not what is happening. They are recording each round.

Next time we may do shorter voting rounds-1 week to vote, 1 week off.

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Also I think that it's rediculous that you have to post the "This is not a vote" messages all the time. I'd post one at the top of each drum group thread call it good. If drums are gonna bring folks onto the site to vote, they need to also tell them what to do.

You have no idea how many emails I'm getting about people having problems voting! And several of them said they believed that posting is a vote. So I'm trying my best to help everyone. But I do believe as you both have said that these problems are coming from new members. New members that were pointed here by drums. But I'm trying to treat everyone the same and welcome them to the site. Maybe some of these will become active members here.

Coyot_In_The_House · 05-13-2008, 05:11 PM

American Idol......

Canadian Idol......

Powwow Idol......

Nuff said there.....

Paul G · 05-13-2008, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Coyot_In_The_House

American Idol......

Canadian Idol......

Powwow Idol......

Nuff said there.....

And what direction is that?

Lakota Wiyan · 05-13-2008, 07:38 PM

Maybe joining the competition can require submitting enough songs to cover each round, so that you have all the songs needed, and you can do a weekly voting period, and go right into the next round without waiting. I think this would be a more fair way of judging the drums talent.

Another thing; why is membership required to vote? I understand we want more members, but there are alot of older people who are now interested in this competition who dont want to join up. When Standing Horse made it to Round 9, the Rapid City Journal did a story (yaay! Good job Grant!), and my family asked how they could vote, but alot of them didnt cause they didnt have the resources to do the voting. I think an open voting system would provide Powwows.com with alot of attention and awareness. I can see the problems figuring this one out, but its just a suggestion!

Paul G · 05-13-2008, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lakota Wiyan

Maybe joining the competition can require submitting enough songs to cover each round, so that you have all the songs needed, and you can do a weekly voting period, and go right into the next round without waiting. I think this would be a more fair way of judging the drums talent.

Another thing; why is membership required to vote? I understand we want more members, but there are alot of older people who are now interested in this competition who dont want to join up. When Standing Horse made it to Round 9, the Rapid City Journal did a story (yaay! Good job Grant!), and my family asked how they could vote, but alot of them didnt cause they didnt have the resources to do the voting. I think an open voting system would provide Powwows.com with alot of attention and awareness. I can see the problems figuring this one out, but its just a suggestion!

I'm considering several different options on the voting!

**Eagle Plumes** · 05-14-2008, 07:48 AM

ok so I diddnt miss the last of the voteing??? I am a bit confused...

native.nation · 06-13-2008, 06:49 PM

I would like to see the pow wow idol contestants post one (new) video during the contest. It would be nice to see them as a group singing. Anyway…peace!

they_drag_him · 06-17-2008, 12:22 PM

I think Powwow Idol should be divided into two groups, one northern plains and one southern plains. Also, it would be great if a Texas drum applied, they should be able to sing. If not, create a third group of southwestern/southeastern/northeastern drum groups.

10-16-2007, 06:09 PM	#1 (permalink)
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10-16-2007, 11:19 PM	#2 (permalink)
LSS Sappling! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 833	Paul, I think the biggest problem is that we are getting new users or those who rarely come on line and they don't know how to do things when it comes to the contest. So, I don't know if it's anything we're doing...but rather what folks are/are not doing. As far as the contest is concerned...have you thought about having evaluators to periodically post about the music? I think I had mentioned this before. I would allow people who know nothing about singing an opportunity to learn something. And quite possibly, have (say 3 evaluators) to split up the songs for contest and post. For example...evaluator A listens to 5 songs/groups on Monday and listen to another 5 on another day and the last 5 on the 3rd day. All the same time, evaluators B & C are doing the same thing but with another pool of groups. Afterwards, they offer 3 different opinions (which may overlap) to help generate interest amongst more of our members and even educate more of our new members. I hope that is at least clear as mud! LSS __________________ To get a true picture of your purpose in life, you only get the whole picture when you listen with your mind, your ears and your heart. This way The Creator has a direct connection with you and only you...no outside interference. When you follow the will of IT that created you, understanding that your purpose is not for you...but for IT and all that IT has created, there can be no wrong except failure to be obedient. Only then do we jeopardize the gifts we are given. Its not the final destination that defines us, rather the journey taken!

05-13-2008, 05:11 PM	#5 (permalink)
Coyot_In_The_House NO STALKERS! GET A LIFE? Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 3,865	Heading in the same direction..... American Idol...... Canadian Idol...... Powwow Idol...... Nuff said there.....

05-14-2008, 07:48 AM	#9 (permalink)
Eagle Plumes Just Bead it! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: MId-West Posts: 10,757	ok so I diddnt miss the last of the voteing??? I am a bit confused... __________________ Got Bead's?

06-13-2008, 06:49 PM	#10 (permalink)
native.nation Confidential Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Indian Country, USA Posts: 269 Blog Entries: 1	I would like to see the pow wow idol contestants post one (new) video during the contest. It would be nice to see them as a group singing. Anyway…peace! __________________ native.nation <--"Likes Jingle Dress Dancers- Got one?"

10-23-2007, 08:10 AM	#3 (permalink)
hobbs49 Pow Wow Committee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Triangle Area, NC Posts: 1,098	Hi Paul, I'm kinda of the opinion that this is dragging out too long. Two weeks of voting followed by a week of downtime. I'd like to see either a shorter voting period or the elimination of the downtime. The downtime elimination is my perferred as that way there is always something going on in Powwow Idol and it's harder to forget that there is a contest taking place. Actually I just want to know who's going to win! :-) Also I think that it's rediculous that you have to post the "This is not a vote" messages all the time. I'd post one at the top of each drum group thread call it good. If drums are gonna bring folks onto the site to vote, they need to also tell them what to do.

05-13-2008, 07:38 PM	#7 (permalink)
Lakota Wiyan THE Lakota Wiyan Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: He Sapa/Mni Luzahan/Inkpata Posts: 409 Blog Entries: 1	Maybe joining the competition can require submitting enough songs to cover each round, so that you have all the songs needed, and you can do a weekly voting period, and go right into the next round without waiting. I think this would be a more fair way of judging the drums talent. Another thing; why is membership required to vote? I understand we want more members, but there are alot of older people who are now interested in this competition who dont want to join up. When Standing Horse made it to Round 9, the Rapid City Journal did a story (yaay! Good job Grant!), and my family asked how they could vote, but alot of them didnt cause they didnt have the resources to do the voting. I think an open voting system would provide Powwows.com with alot of attention and awareness. I can see the problems figuring this one out, but its just a suggestion!

06-17-2008, 12:22 PM	#11 (permalink)
they_drag_him on his head, his parents Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: la mirada, ca Posts: 524	I think Powwow Idol should be divided into two groups, one northern plains and one southern plains. Also, it would be great if a Texas drum applied, they should be able to sing. If not, create a third group of southwestern/southeastern/northeastern drum groups. __________________ Yanktonai Hunkpati Dakota Sioux, Crow Creek SD