CHEROSAGE

I just want to say that I have sent Matthew Hayes an e-mail and tried to explain some of the basics. I remember when I was in school and had to produce a term paper. I would have been greatly elated to have had so much expertese to draw from. He will still have to cite the volumes of literature that his group studied from. He can also quote or at least draw from todays "EXPERTS" us.

I tried to explain to him that just because we are NDNs( native americans, american indians,etc) we are all totally different nationalities. Cherokees aren't Ojibwes and the large group of Sioux are not of the same people as the vast group of Apache. I explained we don't have the same Languages so our songs aren't the same. We don't have the same clothes.

I hope I gave him just enough info that he may be able to ask more and better (?). It's a shame that others can't be as hospitable. If he were to come to your home would he go away thirsty and hungry? My guest have the option to have something to drink if they want and what ever I have for them to eat. I try to give info with the same attitude If I'm asked. Whether that person is NDN or not. I may not have the same zeal with the nonNDNs as I will share with NDNs but I still share what I can give.

Sorry if I sound like I'm preaching, I'm not trying to sound that way. I just don't think we have to be so hateful when someone comes to us in what they think is the right way. This young man did and not to badly out of line. It would be hard to give a gift to each of us on this contraption but his heart was kind. His (?) was just needing some fine tuning.

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AngelFeather

So well said, i totally agree. It was awesome of you to do that for him. I am too learning myself about such things and love to learn about all First Nations Cultures not just about my own. Im just really glad you had the heart to help him out and point him in the right direction in a manner that would uplift him not put him down. Thankyou

CHEROSAGE

WaDo!!!!!!!

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WhoMe

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Bob,

You're right.

Indian people need to tell a true story of who they are to nonIndian people who are seeking knowledge. (of course sensitive information should never be shared).

Hearing the truth from Indian people about "real" Indian culture greatly outweighs hearing about Indian culture "second hand."

I for one try to help when I can. Sometimes I get silly and joke too much. But this is the way I am in real life. *L





Isn't powwows.com a website to ask questions?

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"Today, recognizing and respecting the origins of powwow aids in our Cultural Survival. If enough people break the rules because they are not satisfied...."We will have no culture."

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AngelFeather

It is indeed, i have learned alot, who to ask and who not to :)
I am glad i happened to find this site, i have so much fun here meeting new people and finding out new information.

Historian

Matthew,
I respect your desire to learn about Pow-Wow dancing, drums, dress, singing, etc, especially your desire to obtain first hand information from participants. However, I think you may have picked too broad a topic for your project. As to how they relate to your overall topic of communication, that would be a monumental task for a beginner. Perhaps I might suggest that you narrow your scope to perhaps the Singers on the drum and the songs they communicate to the dancers and spectators. The types of songs seen at a Pow-Wow, such as Grand Entry Songs, Veteran's Honoring Songs, War Dance Songs, Memorial Songs, etc.

You stated that you and your group have done some reading, but you did not say what sources you have been able to find. May I then suggest the following:

Anacona, George.
1993. Powwow. Harcourt Brace, San Diego, CA.
Ashworth, Kenneth Albert.
1986. The Contemporary Oklahoma Pow-wow. Ph.D. dissertation. Department of Anthropology, University of Oklahoma.
Axtmann, Ann.
1999. Dance: Celebration and Resistance, Native American Indian Intertribal Powwow Performance. Ph.D. dissertation. New York University, NY.
Belle, Nicholas I.
2004. Dancing Toward Pan-Indianism: The Development of the Grass Dance and Northern Traditional Dance in Native American Culture. MA thesis. Department of Anthropology, Florida State University, FL.
Black Bear, Ben, Sr., and Ronnie D. Theisz.
1976. Songs and Dances of the Lakota. North Plains Press, Aberdeen, SD.
Browner, Tara.
2000. Making and Singing of Powwow Songs: Text, Form, and the Significance of Culture-based Analysis. Ethnomusicology, Vol. 44, No. 2.
2002. Heartbeat of the People: Music and Dance of the Northern Pow-Wow. University of Illinois Press, Chicago, IL.
Burton, Bryan.
1993. Moving Within the Circle: Contemporary Native American Music and Dance. World Music Press, Danbury, CT.
Callahan, Alice A.
1990. The Osage Ceremonial Dance, I’n-Lon-Schka. University of Oklahoma Press, OK.
Densmore, Frances.
1918. Teton Sioux Music. Bureau of American Ethnology, Bulletin 61, Smithsonian Institution, Washington, D.C.
1926. American Indians and Their Music. The Women’s Press, New York, NY.
1929. Pawnee Music. Bureau of American Ethnology, Bulletin 93, Smithsonian Institution, Washington D.C.
Duncan, Jim.
1997. Hethushka Zani: An Ethnohistory of the War Dance Complex. MA thesis. Department of Anthropology, Northeastern State University, Tahlequah, OK.
Ellis, Clyde
2003. A Dancing People: Powwow Culture on the Southern Plains. University of Kansas Press, Lawrence, KS.
Fletcher, Alice C.
1893. A Study of Omaha Indian Music. Archaeological and Ethnological Papers, Vol. 1, No. 5, Peabody Museum of American Archeology and Ethnology, Cambridge, MA.
Glazner, Christopher G.
2002. Honoring Our Warriors: Southern Plains American Indian Music for War Veterans. Undergraduate Thesis, Pauline Strong, Ph.D. Supervising Professor, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Boston, MA.
Heth, Charlotte, ed.
1992. Native American Dance: Ceremonies and Social Traditions. Smithsonian Institution Press, Washington, D.C.
Howard, Dr. James H.
1955. The Pan-Indian Culture in Oklahoma. The Scientific Monthly, Vol. 81, No. 5.
1983. Pan-Indianism in Native American Music and Dance. Ethnomusicology, Vol. 28, No. 1.
Howard, Dr. James H. and Gertrude P. Kurath.
1959. Ponca Dances, Ceremonies and Music. Ethnomusicology, Vol. 7.
Kavanagh, Thomas W.
1992. Southern Plains Dance Tradition and Dynamics: Native American Dance Ceremonies and Social Traditions. National Museum of the American Indian, Smithsonian Institution with Starwood, Washington D.C.
Ketcheschawno, Millie and John Curl.
2004. Indigenous People’s Day & The Pow-Wow Highway: A History of the New Holiday & the Pow-Wow Tradition. Published online at URL: http://www.red-coral.net/Pow.html.
Laubin, Reginald and Gladys Laubin.
1976. Indian Dances of North America: Their Importance to Indian Life. Oklahoma University Press, Norman, OK.
Powers, William K.
1990. War Dance: Plains Indian Musical Performance. University of Arizona Press, Tucson, AZ.
1994. Pow-wow, Native America in the Twentieth Century: An Encyclopedia, edited by Mary B. Davis, Garland Publishing, New York.
Young, Gloria Alese.
1981. Powwow Power: Perspectives on Historic and Contemporary Intertribalism. Ph.D. dissertation., Department of Anthropology, Indiana University.

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"Be good, be kind, help each other."
"Respect the ground, respect the drum, respect each other."
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Historian,

I didn't grow up with family who followed our Indian heritage and am appreciative for the directive reading. Thank you.

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CHEROSAGE

Thanks, Historian. This was kind of you to help these young folks. I e-mailed him. I hoped that the little bit of info I could give in brief would have demonstrated this idea to them. Very nice and great info.

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Kiwehnzii

It's nice of you guys to want to help this guy out, but he lives in a community surrounded by Ojibwe. There are many native communities there, one right across the lake. There is a Native Studies course offered at Nippissing University. He has resources galore available to him. Probably, all the books you listed are available in the Native Studies Department.
I've given the young fella the best advice I could and stand by it.
Mii owh

BTW, Mike, yesterday I was watching the news on a Hamilton station and there was a guy on there by the name of Michael Hayes. Was that you?

Historian

I certainly agree that for Matthew and his fellow classmates to gain the best insights for their project, they should attend a Pow-Wow or a few of them even. They should watch and listen to all that takes place. Then talk with Aboriginal/Indian folks in their area...dancers, singers, spectators, Pow-Wow Committee members, etc. to gain their perspective.

However, without first having some kind of foundation of knowledge from reputable sources, such as the written sources I listed earlier as an example, Matthew and his classmates won't know what they are looking at when they do attend a Pow-Wow and won't know what questions to ask a participant when they have the opportunity.

I'm just suggesting that Matthew and his classmates should learn some of the basics, before they do some field work.

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"Be good, be kind, help each other."
"Respect the ground, respect the drum, respect each other."
--Abe Conklin, Ponca/Osage (1926-1995)