Sneak Up song after the Victory Song

uw_n8iv · 07-27-2004, 03:50 PM

Why do some powwows have a sneak up song right after the victory song during grand entry?

I've been seeing this a lot more here in the northwest.
It seems weird to call for a sneak up song because all the women are out on the floor still - some women leave the floor, some women dance stationary on the side, and some women even dance w/ the men.

quicksilverwade · 07-27-2004, 05:15 PM

I come from Crow Creek South Dakota and we're now at our 144th annual powwow. The sneak up has always been done after the victory song. But things change and it depends on who's running the show. Anything can happen so it's best just to be prepared.

lady warrior · 07-27-2004, 05:28 PM

i've noticed that too out here in california. it's always a little awkward for us gals, because we're like "okay, i guess i'll sit down now...."

quicksilverwade · 07-27-2004, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by lady warrior

i've noticed that too out here in california. it's always a little awkward for us gals, because we're like "okay, i guess i'll sit down now...."

Are you from northern California? Because here in southern California we've been going to powwows since the 1980's. The sneak up has been a standard especially when Kelly Looking Horse used to put on a powwow unless it's run by a southern plains committee in which case a round dance will usually follow.

**Wojapi4Me** · 07-28-2004, 08:45 AM

You have to understand that women have not been dancing in the arena for very long at all (WWII era really) so when songs like that were sung there were only men out there. The women made up the circle as they danced stationary on the outside.

Things change, and now some women enjoy dancing to a sneak-up song, but many will honor that old way and dance on the outside stationary.

uw_n8iv · 07-28-2004, 07:57 PM

as it becomes more and more common to sing sneak up songs when women are out on the floor ....do you think it'll become more and more common for women to be given sneak up songs during contest???

powwow evolution huh?

quicksilverwade · 07-28-2004, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by uw_n8iv

as it becomes more and more common to sing sneak up songs when women are out on the floor ....do you think it'll become more and more common for women to be given sneak up songs during contest???

powwow evolution huh?

Anything can happen. At the Indio powwow in March 2004, the teen girl's fancy shawl category received a Southern ruffle/shake song.

**Wojapi4Me** · 07-29-2004, 10:14 AM

I think more people should learn the words to that first song...it pretty much describes how to dance it if you listen to it. Those words also answer your question.

But, then again, most sneak-up songs being composed today aren't anywhere close in meaning to that original. Most are rock-n-roll songs. So who knows?

I'll teach my little girl about this song and its meaning, and if she loses future contests for walking to the side and dancing stationary then so be it.

**Kakeeya** · 07-29-2004, 11:58 AM

I think those that don't know any better will walk off the floor. I always dance on the side, stationary.

quicksilverwade · 08-02-2004, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Kakeeya

I think those that don't know any better will walk off the floor. I always dance on the side, stationary.

My sister is a jingle dress dancer also and we'd always tell her to dance stationary during the sneak up. But, sometimes the singing is too good for her not to dance.

**Wojapi4Me** · 08-03-2004, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by quicksilverwade

My sister is a jingle dress dancer also and we'd always tell her to dance stationary during the sneak up. But, sometimes the singing is too good for her not to dance.

So dancing stationary isn't dancing?

quicksilverwade · 08-04-2004, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Singerdad

So dancing stationary isn't dancing?

No, dancing stationary is dancing, not, not dancing, lol.

Kween_Krazee · 08-09-2004, 11:43 PM

c'mon these r the modern days ppl can dance to anything they want so wat if they wanna dance to a sneak up song let them u cant tell a person u cant dance to this or that u dont know ur traditions .....so wat if any body ever came up to me an told me im not doing somthing right ill jus tell them so wat go do ur own thang

07-27-2004, 03:50 PM	#1 (permalink)
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Wojapi4Me Kili! Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Tha Rez Posts: 1,502	You have to understand that women have not been dancing in the arena for very long at all (WWII era really) so when songs like that were sung there were only men out there. The women made up the circle as they danced stationary on the outside. Things change, and now some women enjoy dancing to a sneak-up song, but many will honor that old way and dance on the outside stationary. __________________ If pro is the opposite of con, then wouldn't progress be the opposite of...lol

07-28-2004, 07:57 PM	#6 (permalink)
uw_n8iv Powwow Chair Carrier Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Ellensburg for school; yakama is home Posts: 559	as it becomes more and more common to sing sneak up songs when women are out on the floor ....do you think it'll become more and more common for women to be given sneak up songs during contest??? powwow evolution huh? __________________ there's no "i" in Yakama My Website

07-29-2004, 10:14 AM	#8 (permalink)
Wojapi4Me Kili! Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Tha Rez Posts: 1,502	I think more people should learn the words to that first song...it pretty much describes how to dance it if you listen to it. Those words also answer your question. But, then again, most sneak-up songs being composed today aren't anywhere close in meaning to that original. Most are rock-n-roll songs. So who knows? I'll teach my little girl about this song and its meaning, and if she loses future contests for walking to the side and dancing stationary then so be it. __________________ If pro is the opposite of con, then wouldn't progress be the opposite of...lol

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07-27-2004, 05:15 PM	#2 (permalink)
quicksilverwade Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: South of the Deadly San Andreas Fault Posts: 1,555	I come from Crow Creek South Dakota and we're now at our 144th annual powwow. The sneak up has always been done after the victory song. But things change and it depends on who's running the show. Anything can happen so it's best just to be prepared.

07-27-2004, 05:28 PM	#3 (permalink)
lady warrior Pow Wow Visitor Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: oakland, CA Posts: 15	i've noticed that too out here in california. it's always a little awkward for us gals, because we're like "okay, i guess i'll sit down now...."

07-29-2004, 11:58 AM	#9 (permalink)
Kakeeya PowWows.com Addicts Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: By a mountain on the Rez Posts: 2,539	I think those that don't know any better will walk off the floor. I always dance on the side, stationary.

08-09-2004, 11:43 PM	#13 (permalink)
Kween_Krazee Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: los angeles Posts: 73	c'mon these r the modern days ppl can dance to anything they want so wat if they wanna dance to a sneak up song let them u cant tell a person u cant dance to this or that u dont know ur traditions .....so wat if any body ever came up to me an told me im not doing somthing right ill jus tell them so wat go do ur own thang