Pregnancy Question - Page 2

**Azhe'ni** · 04-13-2004, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by tradish_wiyan

Why is it a no-no to carry your child during intertribals? I carried my baby during intertribals and she never had any problems getting into the arena and dancing...usually kids go through a bashful stage...not her. She couldn't wait to get out there and dance.

Well tradish everyone has their own way of believing. I was taught that we shouldn't carry babies or kids in the arena because it's like offering them to the creator. Babies do not have that strength to walk on their feet and without that strength it's easier for the spirits to take them. When we walk on our feet in the arena we have that strength. We also put little tiny holes in our moccs. for the same reason. I don't know of any kids round here that is bashful to dance. They luv dancing round here. I don't know if I should take what you said offensive. I'm nobody to say that I'm right and your wrong. And no one else has that right either. So you do what you believe, and everyone else does what they believe. Everyone has different beliefs, Just cuz I believe my way doesn't mean I expect the whole entire nation to either. :Cooler

Singing Otter · 04-13-2004, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by potawatomi_azhe'ni

Me two I had cuzins dancing and miscarrying days later. I don't know if that had anything to do with it but they did believe at one time not to, but then they didn't care. We also put little tiny holes in the bottom of our babies mocs. Cuz we believe if we don't the spirit is locked inside and could take the baby from us. I don't know of too many people who believes in this way.

My mom always said that when you have a little one you should call their names before and after you go somewhere so that they don't get lost or tricked into staying somewhere they're not supposed to be.

**Azhe'ni** · 04-13-2004, 02:56 PM

I heard that before too. Tradish. Just to let ya know I wasn't sayin that in a snotty way. The way I worded it sounded crapy. It's all gooooooodd!LMAO

05-12-2004, 07:08 PM

ok this has nothing to do with pregnancy but this one time when i was stayin with this cree ******* his sister was braiding my hair an i was holding my baby at the same time an her mom told me ur not suppose to hold ur baby well ur hair is bein braided i jus told her sorry ur ways r not my ways ...''lol i jus had to tell someone it was bugging me ok bye

05-12-2004, 07:11 PM

oh yea she said i would get bad luck er somthing cuz i was holding my baby welll my hair was bein braided u know wut this is my opinion but some wayz r jus to ridiculous

**tradish_wiyan** · 05-12-2004, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by potawatomi_azhe'ni

I heard that before too. Tradish. Just to let ya know I wasn't sayin that in a snotty way. The way I worded it sounded crapy. It's all gooooooodd!LMAO

No prob!!! :agree?: Everyone has their own ways. :hey!:

theepowwowchic49 · 05-13-2004, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by blackfoothoney

oh yea she said i would get bad luck er somthing cuz i was holding my baby welll my hair was bein braided u know wut this is my opinion but some wayz r jus to ridiculous

did your toes fall off or something bad like that? was she right?
I cant wait to have a kid and hear all the bs horrer storys.

No Name · 05-13-2004, 08:34 PM

We have head dancers that carry their child while dancing. It's usually celebrated around here when the dancers bring their new babies into the arena.

When does your baby stop being your baby? I guess I mean if it's not OK to begin with, when would it be okay, they're always your child, right?

durty-kawdayz49 · 05-14-2004, 08:28 PM

Its not were your from but were your at

Durty

**ojibwaysweetie** · 05-26-2004, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Potawatomi_Azhe'ni

Well tradish everyone has their own way of believing. I was taught that we shouldn't carry babies or kids in the arena because it's like offering them to the creator. Babies do not have that strength to walk on their feet and without that strength it's easier for the spirits to take them. When we walk on our feet in the arena we have that strength. We also put little tiny holes in our moccs. for the same reason. I don't know of any kids round here that is bashful to dance. They luv dancing round here. I don't know if I should take what you said offensive. I'm nobody to say that I'm right and your wrong. And no one else has that right either. So you do what you believe, and everyone else does what they believe. Everyone has different beliefs, Just cuz I believe my way doesn't mean I expect the whole entire nation to either. :Cooler

Well said, Azhe'ni. Each tribe has their own beliefs about it, and what is said here should be respected just for the sake of good ole plain respect for other tribes' beliefs.
Miiweh!

LadyRedtailedHawk · 05-27-2004, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Singerdad

It might be a "Southern" thing, but it's not a Cherokee thing. How could it be? Cherokees didn't traditionally have these ways so why would they have protocols regarding them? They are certain things you do and don't do while pregnant, but I'll leave that up to the elders to pass along...not here on a website for every Tom, Dick, and Wannabe to read. :) Just kidding LOL

You are correct, Cherokee did not have "powwows" but we did have socials / gatherings and they did have a protocol. I as well, was taught that both in moon and with child you were not to dance nor go near the drum. There were other well defined no-no's for women in moon and with child but those are not for this forum obviously.

As for taking a baby into the arena I was told to take my baby into the arena for social type dances and interribals as well as going in with her for her first few times as a tiny tot. Which was mainly to help her go the correct direction and etc.

I must admit, they are absolutely adorable out there at 2, 3, 4 and etc.

I would have say that is it most certainly tribal specific and best to check before you go into arena pregnant.

Have a wonderful day!

LadyRedtailedHawk · 05-27-2004, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ~*blackfoothoney*~

ok this has nothing to do with pregnancy but this one time when i was stayin with this cree ******* his sister was braiding my hair an i was holding my baby at the same time an her mom told me ur not suppose to hold ur baby well ur hair is bein braided i jus told her sorry ur ways r not my ways ...''lol i jus had to tell someone it was bugging me ok bye

:37: Glad you got that off your chest Blackfoothoney. I am also of the opinion that some things just seem ridiculous. You responded just as I have and find myself doing quite often around here. Being Cherokee and married to a Blackfeet who has friends from Blackfoot, Blackfeet and Lakota nations...I get stuff tossed my way a lot.

Like for example...that I cannot dance fancy shawl or jingle dance because I am a mother...ah well. It must be like water off a duck's back eh.

Hope you feel better now and have a wonderful day!

crazydazy · 05-28-2004, 12:16 AM

I was told that babys enter the circle when they can walk and they are brought into the circle in a formal way and moms stop dancing when they are pregnant until their baby "walks" into the circle for the first time.

~*~MizzQaqimat~*~ · 06-01-2004, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by LadyRedtailedHawk

Like for example...that I cannot dance fancy shawl or jingle dance because I am a mother...ah well. It must be like water off a duck's back eh

:dontknow:
What tha? Can't dance jingle or fancy if you're a mom? That's really--uh....weird...where did you say you heard that again? Its not weird, but kinda odd. Is there like some explination why you can't do that? hehe, just wondering, nosey me, lol.

Oh, and uh, I've seen lots of people around here dance when they're pregnant, but tradish, and seen lots of people carrying their babies in there. But how about this, if some people believe you shouldn't carry your baby in the arena, does that only apply to Native people, or people of any other race too? Cuz, like if an Asian, or Caucasian, Hispanic, etc person carried their baby in there during an intertribal, do you think that'd present a problem? One more question, if you have your baby in a cradleboard, or baby board, while you're dancing does that count as carrying your baby in the arena? I've seen that done several times.

This might sound like I'm trying to be a smart alek or something, because of my wording, but I'm not intending to make anyone mad or offend anyone. If I have, please excuse me, and don't take it personally.

:Wave

LadyRedtailedHawk · 06-01-2004, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ChenoaNativeGirl

:dontknow:
What tha? Can't dance jingle or fancy if you're a mom? That's really--uh....weird...where did you say you heard that again? Its not weird, but kinda odd. Is there like some explination why you can't do that? hehe, just wondering, nosey me, lol.

Well that tidbit of info was tossed at me by the wife of my husband's friend. She is Lakota. I just smiled and told her she should check out the Gathering of Nations sometime because I am quite sure there were women dancing that were not only mothers...but well out of their teens and 20's. Like I say, I have gotten used to it so I just kindly disregard whenever possible and when that is not...I simply remind them that I also have traditions and teachings and I will live by those...and I walk on and continue my business.

Have a Great day!

05-14-2004, 08:28 PM	#29 (permalink)
durty-kawdayz49 Brownhighlites n my Kawds Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: oklahoma Posts: 66	Its not were your from but were your at Durty __________________ give good sing hard and try not to fart infront a fine flat butt babe!

04-13-2004, 02:56 PM	#23 (permalink)
Azhe'ni Shuut uup..are ya serious Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,338	I heard that before too. Tradish. Just to let ya know I wasn't sayin that in a snotty way. The way I worded it sounded crapy. It's all gooooooodd!LMAO

05-12-2004, 07:08 PM	#24 (permalink)
bl@ckfoothoney Guest Posts: n/a	ok this has nothing to do with pregnancy but this one time when i was stayin with this cree ******* his sister was braiding my hair an i was holding my baby at the same time an her mom told me ur not suppose to hold ur baby well ur hair is bein braided i jus told her sorry ur ways r not my ways ...''lol i jus had to tell someone it was bugging me ok bye

05-12-2004, 07:11 PM	#25 (permalink)
bl@ckfoothoney Guest Posts: n/a	oh yea she said i would get bad luck er somthing cuz i was holding my baby welll my hair was bein braided u know wut this is my opinion but some wayz r jus to ridiculous

05-13-2004, 08:34 PM	#28 (permalink)
No Name Tiny Tot Dancer Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: PA Posts: 35	We have head dancers that carry their child while dancing. It's usually celebrated around here when the dancers bring their new babies into the arena. When does your baby stop being your baby? I guess I mean if it's not OK to begin with, when would it be okay, they're always your child, right?

05-28-2004, 12:16 AM	#33 (permalink)
crazydazy Junior Dancer Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 149	I was told that babys enter the circle when they can walk and they are brought into the circle in a formal way and moms stop dancing when they are pregnant until their baby "walks" into the circle for the first time.