sun dance questions/feelings

blairman · 05-05-2003, 05:34 PM

hello all i am trying to write a paper on sun dancing..i was wondering if anyone out there had any type of information to share with me

**Grits & Beans** · 05-05-2003, 05:51 PM

*shakes head*

You will get some answers alright. I'll give you some good advice: Keep your eyes open, your mouth shut and you will definitely obtain some insight. Since you just asked such a question, you will get answers you may not like to hear. But hopefully you will respect an ndn's standpoint.

I was wondering, why choose to do a paper on the sundance?

**Kiwehnzii** · 05-05-2003, 06:38 PM

Anybody know where I can get info on that Snake-charming religious group in the deep south? I need info on them for my term paper.

**billyjoejimbob** · 05-05-2003, 06:47 PM

I guess he wanted the most difficult paper to write in the world.

I wouldnt even know where to start......actually, I wouldn't even start.

I'm assuming you have all the books already? Black Elk, Lame Deer, etc.

**billyjoejimbob** · 05-05-2003, 06:50 PM

You should first start by letting us know about yourself. You didnt fill in anything on your profile. Im sure the people here dont want to waste their time on someone if they arent sincere about NDN ways.

Bob B Bob Firechief · 05-05-2003, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kiwehnzii
Anybody know where I can get info on that Snake-charming religious group in the deep south? I need info on them for my term paper.

I do! I know a group of people that teach seminars on just such a thing. Well they really aren't a group. And well they don't use snakes because that is too dangerous, so the improvize and come to think of it they aren't very religious and they aren't in the deep south, so well, nevermind.

Morninghawk · 05-06-2003, 01:33 AM

Them snakes eat them grits and redeyed gravy and slows them down when it comes to they are handled.

I guess the texts by Black Elk is probably a good part to read about the Lakota sundance from 1870-80's and a starting point for a paper. It is a bit different today but the elements are still there and NO I will not be an informant to an outsider....we have had enough people write from ignorance from all sides about this ceremony brought by the white buffalo calf woman to the people.

As one poster said "eyes open....mouth shut"

Morninghawk

**LittleCricket** · 05-08-2003, 12:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Morninghawk
Them snakes eat them grits and redeyed gravy and slows them down when it comes to they are handled

Morninghawk

I cannot believe you put this sacred info out on the web for every wannabe snakehandler to see!!:Shocked :Eyebrows :Mad

Morninghawk · 05-08-2003, 08:43 AM

Cheers,

Morninghawk

p.s. At least I did not tell about the 11 herbs and spices that go in
gravy....

teweigen · 05-08-2003, 09:46 AM

**Kiwehnzii** · 05-08-2003, 01:31 PM

I admit it. You've found me out. Dammit.

I just wanted info so I could start my own cult and be a Snake shaman.

I'll not bother you again. You humiliated me and I hope someone sticks up for me. :Cry

powwowbum49 · 05-08-2003, 04:29 PM

Blairman

In case you can't tell from the post you have received so far you are not very likely to get our members to post much about your question. I'm sure their satire is not of much use to you but, you are trying to write about someone's religious practices and most of the folks that practice this (which by-the-way are the only people qualified to comment about it, and I am not one of them) are usually not very keen on the idea of disseminating that information out to people they do not know. Unlike most religions of middle eastern origin, those who practice sundance are not looking for converts and are not likely to share info about it with you.

Some of our members have suggested some light reading for you and that would be your best place to look.

Good luck with your paper.

**Grits & Beans** · 05-08-2003, 07:14 PM

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Originally posted by powwowbum49
Blairman

In case you can't tell from the post you have received so far you are not very likely to get our members to post much about your question. I'm sure their satire is not of much use to you but, you are trying to write about someone's religious practices and most of the folks that practice this (which by-the-way are the only people qualified to comment about it, and I am not one of them) are usually not very keen on the idea of disseminating that information out to people they do not know. Unlike most religions of middle eastern origin, those who practice sundance are not looking for converts and are not likely to share info about it with you.

Some of our members have suggested some light reading for you and that would be your best place to look.

Good luck with your paper.

Well said, powwowbum49! :D

BullcreekLdy · 05-12-2003, 11:02 PM

Blairman, one suggestion. DONT write about a topic like that. Last year I wrote a paper on how the native culture affected history. I am involved, and my uncles were very helpful in being subtle. But truthfully if you are going in blind it is impossible to: one get info and two to explain it in a way that would be respectful. Like I said I had A LOT of help and they did that because they trust me and felt it was a good way to introduce our ways outside without revealing much, and I would NEVER do a topi like that again.

05-05-2003, 05:34 PM	#1 (permalink)
blairman Pow Wow Visitor Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 1	sun dance questions/feelings hello all i am trying to write a paper on sun dancing..i was wondering if anyone out there had any type of information to share with me

05-05-2003, 05:51 PM	#2 (permalink)
Grits & Beans is back Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 4,730	shakes head You will get some answers alright. I'll give you some good advice: Keep your eyes open, your mouth shut and you will definitely obtain some insight. Since you just asked such a question, you will get answers you may not like to hear. But hopefully you will respect an ndn's standpoint. I was wondering, why choose to do a paper on the sundance? Last edited by Ruthless; 05-05-2003 at 05:54 PM.

05-08-2003, 09:46 AM	#10 (permalink)
teweigen Tiny Tot Dancer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: in da u.p. Posts: 36	lol

05-08-2003, 04:29 PM	#12 (permalink)
powwowbum49 Arena Director Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: midwest, USA Posts: 792	Blairman In case you can't tell from the post you have received so far you are not very likely to get our members to post much about your question. I'm sure their satire is not of much use to you but, you are trying to write about someone's religious practices and most of the folks that practice this (which by-the-way are the only people qualified to comment about it, and I am not one of them) are usually not very keen on the idea of disseminating that information out to people they do not know. Unlike most religions of middle eastern origin, those who practice sundance are not looking for converts and are not likely to share info about it with you. Some of our members have suggested some light reading for you and that would be your best place to look. Good luck with your paper. __________________ PB49 "Every child is an artist. The problem is how to remain an artist once we grow up." Pablo Picasso My comments are based on what I have been taught and my experiences over the years I have been around the circle. They should in no way be taken as gospel truths and are merely my opinions or attempts at passing on what I have learned while still learning more.

05-12-2003, 11:02 PM	#14 (permalink)
BullcreekLdy Tiny Tot Dancer Join Date: May 2003 Location: San Antonio Texas Posts: 30	Blairman, one suggestion. DONT write about a topic like that. Last year I wrote a paper on how the native culture affected history. I am involved, and my uncles were very helpful in being subtle. But truthfully if you are going in blind it is impossible to: one get info and two to explain it in a way that would be respectful. Like I said I had A LOT of help and they did that because they trust me and felt it was a good way to introduce our ways outside without revealing much, and I would NEVER do a topi like that again. __________________ When your in the arena nothing matters but the step of your feet, the sway of your fringe and the beat of the drum. ~Peace love and fry bread.~

05-05-2003, 06:38 PM	#3 (permalink)
Kiwehnzii Oldfart Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 2,868	Anybody know where I can get info on that Snake-charming religious group in the deep south? I need info on them for my term paper.

05-05-2003, 06:47 PM	#4 (permalink)
billyjoejimbob Fat Singer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: white guy land Posts: 1,525	I guess he wanted the most difficult paper to write in the world. I wouldnt even know where to start......actually, I wouldn't even start. I'm assuming you have all the books already? Black Elk, Lame Deer, etc.

05-05-2003, 06:50 PM	#5 (permalink)
billyjoejimbob Fat Singer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: white guy land Posts: 1,525	You should first start by letting us know about yourself. You didnt fill in anything on your profile. Im sure the people here dont want to waste their time on someone if they arent sincere about NDN ways.

05-06-2003, 01:33 AM	#7 (permalink)
Morninghawk Tiny Tot Dancer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Great North Woods Posts: 27	Them snakes eat them grits and redeyed gravy and slows them down when it comes to they are handled. I guess the texts by Black Elk is probably a good part to read about the Lakota sundance from 1870-80's and a starting point for a paper. It is a bit different today but the elements are still there and NO I will not be an informant to an outsider....we have had enough people write from ignorance from all sides about this ceremony brought by the white buffalo calf woman to the people. As one poster said "eyes open....mouth shut" Morninghawk

05-08-2003, 08:43 AM	#9 (permalink)
Morninghawk Tiny Tot Dancer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Great North Woods Posts: 27	Cheers, Morninghawk p.s. At least I did not tell about the 11 herbs and spices that go in gravy....

05-08-2003, 01:31 PM	#11 (permalink)
Kiwehnzii Oldfart Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 2,868	I admit it. You've found me out. Dammit. I just wanted info so I could start my own cult and be a Snake shaman. I'll not bother you again. You humiliated me and I hope someone sticks up for me. :Cry