Need help with bustle

Highwolf89 · 04-14-2008, 11:09 PM

Hi, I am having trouble with my bustle staying open while dancing i was thinking about tieing a piece of leather to keep the bustle open but i wanted to see first what people are doing out there to keep there bustle open while dancing.

KP HOOD · 04-15-2008, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Highwolf89

Hi, I am having trouble with my bustle staying open while dancing i was thinking about tieing a piece of leather to keep the bustle open but i wanted to see first what people are doing out there to keep there bustle open while dancing.

TRY A SPREADER

redthunder · 04-15-2008, 02:57 AM

Post a pic of your bustle.

KP HOOD · 04-15-2008, 05:10 AM

Wish I could. Its in peices I changed the colors of my outfit so I'm rewrapping the shafts to match. I bead a pill bottle about 2 inches and use a 4 inch rosette on rawhide for my spreader. the bigger the rosette or shorter the pill bottle less movement you have.

Privateer6 · 04-15-2008, 03:22 PM

I've used a film canister and cd with a POW/MIA sticker for one bustle, and a wooden dowel rod approx 3"-4" and a white plate for the second bustle. It allows the bustle to move a little, but not completely close up.

WhoMe · 04-15-2008, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Highwolf89

..... but i wanted to see first what people are doing out there to keep there bustle open while dancing.

Try relaxing your buns?

Highwolf89 · 04-17-2008, 11:32 PM

Here are pics of my bustle still cant get it to stay open like it should.

Any help with how i can get it to stay open would be appreciated...

redthunder · 04-20-2008, 08:10 AM

When my uncle made my bustle, he made a spreader. He got a lid to a hard plastic cup/mug (the plastic cups used for hot liquids), drilled two holes in it. Next he cut out a rawhide circle, and also cut two holes in that. The rawhide was bigger than the cup lid. He then took a braid of sweet grass and wrapped it to make a circle. He cut a hole in the center of the rawhide, and tied an eagle plume through the sweet grass, through the rawhide, and through the plastic lid. Make sure if you use this method, that you make sure you cut the rawhide big enough where the bustle stays put under the lid.

**spottedeagle** · 04-20-2008, 10:35 AM

I did something similar to what red thunder is talking about on mine. I used a piece of raw hide big enough to cover all the feather loops. Then I punched holes in the center and attached my rossette through those holes. You can decorated the raw hide in a number of ways. You can attach fluffs, bead a piece to attach, paint it, or a combination of things.

Highwolf89 · 04-20-2008, 01:18 PM

Wado I did it the way you guys were talking about and it works great thank you. For all your guys help everyone that posted on this Thread.

Wado

redthunder · 04-21-2008, 04:42 AM

Feel free to rep. BWUAHAHA.

danceman457 · 04-27-2008, 07:10 PM

one cool idea instead of a rosette.... try a turtle shell this is what i use on mine drill hole in one side and out the other and run a peice of leather through it..... looks really cool

mattathayde · 04-29-2008, 11:57 PM

what i have done on both of my bustles ive made was to use a CD as the main piece to spread. on my more recent one (2 layer) i used an electrical tape container behind to keep the feathers spread in the right shape and then attached the cd which is covered in a rosette on top of that. a better way is if you can cut a piece of wood and attach something a little more sturdy because mine, while it has worked for about 3-4 years of light use isnt not as stable as i would like.

i cant get a pic of my set up because im off at school right now but if you need a pic to understand it better i can get one in about a week
-matt

Highwolf89 · 04-30-2008, 12:20 AM

if you could get a pic of it that would be great.......

mattathayde · 04-30-2008, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Highwolf89

if you could get a pic of it that would be great.......

will do

if i dont get back by next wed or thurs feel free to bug me, i have finals this week and am moving out of dorms so i might forget
-matt

owlsong · 04-30-2008, 10:28 PM

I do not see a stringer inbetween the dowel rods, is there one there? This is used to keep the dowels evenly spaced when strung up to the two risers. I maintain my teachings with using only natural materials and I would have used stiff leather as a spreader. The less flexible the spreader, the less the dowels would move, I assume this is what you are after? You do not want a swing bustle? Swing bustles are better as they collapse while walking through crowds of people that do not respect the feathers and best simulate the wings of a bird.

04-14-2008, 11:09 PM	#1 (permalink)
Highwolf89 Frybread > McDonalds Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: California Posts: 41	Need help with bustle Hi, I am having trouble with my bustle staying open while dancing i was thinking about tieing a piece of leather to keep the bustle open but i wanted to see first what people are doing out there to keep there bustle open while dancing.

04-15-2008, 02:57 AM	#3 (permalink)
redthunder Powwow King Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Honolulu, HI Posts: 484	Post a pic of your bustle. __________________ I'm interested more in self determination than gender equity. In other words, changing white men for white woman in the structures of power, does nothing to transform the opression in my community. "You need to find yourself a girl, mate... Or, perhaps the reason you practice three hours a day is that you already found one and are otherwise incapable of wooing said strumpet. You're not a eunuch, are you? [looks down]" -Captain Jack Sparrow

04-17-2008, 11:32 PM	#7 (permalink)
Highwolf89 Frybread > McDonalds Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: California Posts: 41	Here are pics of my bustle still cant get it to stay open like it should. Any help with how i can get it to stay open would be appreciated... Last edited by Highwolf89; 04-18-2008 at 11:14 PM.

04-20-2008, 08:10 AM	#8 (permalink)
redthunder Powwow King Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Honolulu, HI Posts: 484	When my uncle made my bustle, he made a spreader. He got a lid to a hard plastic cup/mug (the plastic cups used for hot liquids), drilled two holes in it. Next he cut out a rawhide circle, and also cut two holes in that. The rawhide was bigger than the cup lid. He then took a braid of sweet grass and wrapped it to make a circle. He cut a hole in the center of the rawhide, and tied an eagle plume through the sweet grass, through the rawhide, and through the plastic lid. Make sure if you use this method, that you make sure you cut the rawhide big enough where the bustle stays put under the lid. __________________ I'm interested more in self determination than gender equity. In other words, changing white men for white woman in the structures of power, does nothing to transform the opression in my community. "You need to find yourself a girl, mate... Or, perhaps the reason you practice three hours a day is that you already found one and are otherwise incapable of wooing said strumpet. You're not a eunuch, are you? [looks down]" -Captain Jack Sparrow

04-20-2008, 10:35 AM	#9 (permalink)
spottedeagle FANMAKR Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Soaring over you Posts: 4,516	I did something similar to what red thunder is talking about on mine. I used a piece of raw hide big enough to cover all the feather loops. Then I punched holes in the center and attached my rossette through those holes. You can decorated the raw hide in a number of ways. You can attach fluffs, bead a piece to attach, paint it, or a combination of things. __________________ The things you are doing today are the traditions of twenty-five years from now. -Daryl Baldwin: Miami

04-15-2008, 05:10 AM	#4 (permalink)
KP HOOD Pow Wow Visitor Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: White Oak, Ok. Posts: 5	Wish I could. Its in peices I changed the colors of my outfit so I'm rewrapping the shafts to match. I bead a pill bottle about 2 inches and use a 4 inch rosette on rawhide for my spreader. the bigger the rosette or shorter the pill bottle less movement you have.

04-15-2008, 03:22 PM	#5 (permalink)
Privateer6 Like my new toy? Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Cylon occupied North Carolina Posts: 775	I've used a film canister and cd with a POW/MIA sticker for one bustle, and a wooden dowel rod approx 3"-4" and a white plate for the second bustle. It allows the bustle to move a little, but not completely close up.

04-20-2008, 01:18 PM	#10 (permalink)
Highwolf89 Frybread > McDonalds Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: California Posts: 41	Wado I did it the way you guys were talking about and it works great thank you. For all your guys help everyone that posted on this Thread. Wado

04-21-2008, 04:42 AM	#11 (permalink)
redthunder Powwow King Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Honolulu, HI Posts: 484	Feel free to rep. BWUAHAHA. __________________ I'm interested more in self determination than gender equity. In other words, changing white men for white woman in the structures of power, does nothing to transform the opression in my community. "You need to find yourself a girl, mate... Or, perhaps the reason you practice three hours a day is that you already found one and are otherwise incapable of wooing said strumpet. You're not a eunuch, are you? [looks down]" -Captain Jack Sparrow

04-27-2008, 07:10 PM	#12 (permalink)
danceman457 Northern Tradish Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: huntington west virginia Posts: 46	one cool idea instead of a rosette.... try a turtle shell this is what i use on mine drill hole in one side and out the other and run a peice of leather through it..... looks really cool __________________ WHO NEEDS A SIGNATURE?

04-29-2008, 11:57 PM	#13 (permalink)
mattathayde Pow Wow Visitor Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 6	what i have done on both of my bustles ive made was to use a CD as the main piece to spread. on my more recent one (2 layer) i used an electrical tape container behind to keep the feathers spread in the right shape and then attached the cd which is covered in a rosette on top of that. a better way is if you can cut a piece of wood and attach something a little more sturdy because mine, while it has worked for about 3-4 years of light use isnt not as stable as i would like. i cant get a pic of my set up because im off at school right now but if you need a pic to understand it better i can get one in about a week -matt

04-30-2008, 12:20 AM	#14 (permalink)
Highwolf89 Frybread > McDonalds Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: California Posts: 41	if you could get a pic of it that would be great....... __________________ *"Do not judge a man unless you have walked two moons in his moccasins."*

04-30-2008, 10:28 PM	#16 (permalink)
owlsong White tail Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: New Hudson, Michigan Posts: 32	Questions I do not see a stringer inbetween the dowel rods, is there one there? This is used to keep the dowels evenly spaced when strung up to the two risers. I maintain my teachings with using only natural materials and I would have used stiff leather as a spreader. The less flexible the spreader, the less the dowels would move, I assume this is what you are after? You do not want a swing bustle? Swing bustles are better as they collapse while walking through crowds of people that do not respect the feathers and best simulate the wings of a bird.

04-30-2008, 10:48 PM	#17 (permalink)