roach beading

Traditional Rally · 03-17-2006, 09:48 PM

I'm a northern traditional dancer. I'm seeing more and more beading on the front of roaches and I can't figure out what is used for the backing on the beaded frontal crown. Or is it being beaded into the frontal guard hair itself? Help me out sombody?

**Joe's Dad** · 03-17-2006, 11:33 PM

I don't know how it's done, but I do know there is some top-notch dancers in your area (you're not far from the Colville rez). Maybe you know somebody in that area that can help you. I'm sure there are other people on this site that know.

**WocusWoman** · 03-17-2006, 11:38 PM

It's a mini version crown, beaded and backed just like a ladies and then added to the front of the roach. I absolutely think they look tacky, and too female to belong on traditional men's regalia. To each their own though!

Traditional Rally · 03-18-2006, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe's Dad

I don't know how it's done, but I do know there is some top-notch dancers in your area (you're not far from the Colville rez). Maybe you know somebody in that area that can help you. I'm sure there are other people on this site that know.

Thanks I'll keep an eye out and ask.

Traditional Rally · 03-18-2006, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by WocusWoman

It's a mini version crown, beaded and backed just like a ladies and then added to the front of the roach. I absolutely think they look tacky, and too female to belong on traditional men's regalia. To each their own though!

Hey thanks, I never thought of backing it but what with to hold the shape. I think they look good if their tiny designs but the huge ones kinda take away from the cool look of the roach. and plus I wear pink in one of my outfits so im not too afraid of looking fem. ayy

Tlinkamoe · 03-18-2006, 05:48 PM

I made one for my son who dances grass and just designed it myself to adapt to his roach. When I described this to my sister in law on what I was doing she thought it was a little to feminine. But I think it looks great, it fits in with the rest of his beadwork. I used an aluminum bracelet blank to help keep its shape and backed it with stiff felt. The bottom is also stiff felt but I think I have to find something else sturdy for that part because it is starting to get flimsy on the bottom. I think I will post it in my gallery once I get home. Just my 2 cents.

Traditional Rally · 03-18-2006, 09:54 PM

Hey thank you a buch thats a great idea.

**WocusWoman** · 03-19-2006, 01:07 AM

I just placed a new ad for a beaded barrette on this website; as I said you would make the "roach crown" the same way. We make our beadwork with the beaded layer, a middle layer "usually a thick plastic, ie. milk jug/or my favorite laundry soap jug plastic", and then the backside is deer or elk hide. Then you edge this with beadwork for a finished clean look. It would be just like beading a barrette only making the lower side a flat clean edge, which would then be carefully tacked to the front bottom outside edge of your roach. The natural curve and shape of the roach would keep it upright...

Traditional Rally · 03-21-2006, 08:43 PM

Thats such a great idea, I never thought. I'm new to beadwork and I think I'll start with a simple design for a crown. Thanks I'll get to stringing as soon as I can.

Ron S · 04-03-2006, 03:13 PM

Saw one last week for the first time. I didn't like it. Sorry. Looks too much like a crown.

Traditional Rally · 04-05-2006, 11:03 PM

All right, but I like em. Hey I talked with somewon last weekend that had known a fancy dancer that was sportin one and the fancy dancer told him that his roach was getting a little old and he had it made to keep his hair up.

jed · 04-06-2006, 10:40 AM

Roach crown = Roach Viagra?

Traditional Rally · 04-11-2006, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by jed

Roach crown = Roach Viagra?

Yes, tiz roach viagra. Very cleaver. But my roach doesn't need the extra support, it stays up just fine.

charliemom · 04-12-2006, 05:13 PM

I used a shoulder pad to draw the outline. worked great, perfect size and curve. I then used that craft foam sandwiched between the beadwork and backing. It's the curve that you attach on the crown to the base, that way you don't have to have to hair stand straight up. So what you are doing is attaching an oval to a circular base. This way there is not a 90 degree angle between the crown and the base. Clear as mud? Some dancers, very particular ones, like their hair to stand a certain way. My youngest son likes his to flair out a little because he is grass dancer with the antenna type feathers on and they hang a over the front of the roach and need to be able to move. If it was just straight up and down then the feathers wouldn't move nicely. On his first crown I attached it to a round base with the holes for the strings, you know the ones that keep the roach on ones head. This way the roach could be wrapped and put away and the base put with the beadwork. I wouldn't recommend that it be attached to the roach. You can make it the size that you want and if you use the base that it isn't permanent. One son is contempory grass and other is semi contemporary grass. Go figure.

sin-thee-yah · 04-14-2006, 01:05 PM

HEY Ithink it is a little too much for a northern tradish.Mybe if your a contemperary dancer but on a straight dancer

HECK NO
PEACE OUT RAINBOW TROUT!!!!!!

03-17-2006, 09:48 PM	#1 (permalink)
Traditional Rally Traditional Rally Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Spokane Posts: 50	roach beading I'm a northern traditional dancer. I'm seeing more and more beading on the front of roaches and I can't figure out what is used for the backing on the beaded frontal crown. Or is it being beaded into the frontal guard hair itself? Help me out sombody?

03-17-2006, 11:33 PM	#2 (permalink)
Joe's Dad What a naughty kitty!!! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: I'm right here! Posts: 8,896	I don't know how it's done, but I do know there is some top-notch dancers in your area (you're not far from the Colville rez). Maybe you know somebody in that area that can help you. I'm sure there are other people on this site that know. __________________ Why must I feel like that..why must I chase the cat?

04-14-2006, 01:05 PM	#15 (permalink)
sin-thee-yah O My God LOOOK!!!!!!! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: land of the buddaflies Posts: 65	Well HEY Ithink it is a little too much for a northern tradish.Mybe if your a contemperary dancer but on a straight dancer HECK NO PEACE OUT RAINBOW TROUT!!!!!!

03-17-2006, 11:38 PM	#3 (permalink)
WocusWoman N8tiffUmatillaMAMA Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Interior Alaska Posts: 2,740	It's a mini version crown, beaded and backed just like a ladies and then added to the front of the roach. I absolutely think they look tacky, and too female to belong on traditional men's regalia. To each their own though!

03-18-2006, 05:48 PM	#6 (permalink)
Tlinkamoe Junior Dancer Join Date: May 2004 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 157	I made one for my son who dances grass and just designed it myself to adapt to his roach. When I described this to my sister in law on what I was doing she thought it was a little to feminine. But I think it looks great, it fits in with the rest of his beadwork. I used an aluminum bracelet blank to help keep its shape and backed it with stiff felt. The bottom is also stiff felt but I think I have to find something else sturdy for that part because it is starting to get flimsy on the bottom. I think I will post it in my gallery once I get home. Just my 2 cents.

03-18-2006, 09:54 PM	#7 (permalink)
Traditional Rally Traditional Rally Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Spokane Posts: 50	Hey thank you a buch thats a great idea.

03-19-2006, 01:07 AM	#8 (permalink)
WocusWoman N8tiffUmatillaMAMA Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Interior Alaska Posts: 2,740	I just placed a new ad for a beaded barrette on this website; as I said you would make the "roach crown" the same way. We make our beadwork with the beaded layer, a middle layer "usually a thick plastic, ie. milk jug/or my favorite laundry soap jug plastic", and then the backside is deer or elk hide. Then you edge this with beadwork for a finished clean look. It would be just like beading a barrette only making the lower side a flat clean edge, which would then be carefully tacked to the front bottom outside edge of your roach. The natural curve and shape of the roach would keep it upright...

03-21-2006, 08:43 PM	#9 (permalink)
Traditional Rally Traditional Rally Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Spokane Posts: 50	Thats such a great idea, I never thought. I'm new to beadwork and I think I'll start with a simple design for a crown. Thanks I'll get to stringing as soon as I can.

04-03-2006, 03:13 PM	#10 (permalink)
Ron S Tiny Tot Dancer Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 87	Saw one last week for the first time. I didn't like it. Sorry. Looks too much like a crown.

04-05-2006, 11:03 PM	#11 (permalink)
Traditional Rally Traditional Rally Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Spokane Posts: 50	All right, but I like em. Hey I talked with somewon last weekend that had known a fancy dancer that was sportin one and the fancy dancer told him that his roach was getting a little old and he had it made to keep his hair up.

04-06-2006, 10:40 AM	#12 (permalink)
jed Former Mayor of Duck Lake Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Wetaskiwin, AB Posts: 91	Roach crown = Roach Viagra?

04-12-2006, 05:13 PM	#14 (permalink)
charliemom Senior Dancer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: montana Posts: 911	I used a shoulder pad to draw the outline. worked great, perfect size and curve. I then used that craft foam sandwiched between the beadwork and backing. It's the curve that you attach on the crown to the base, that way you don't have to have to hair stand straight up. So what you are doing is attaching an oval to a circular base. This way there is not a 90 degree angle between the crown and the base. Clear as mud? Some dancers, very particular ones, like their hair to stand a certain way. My youngest son likes his to flair out a little because he is grass dancer with the antenna type feathers on and they hang a over the front of the roach and need to be able to move. If it was just straight up and down then the feathers wouldn't move nicely. On his first crown I attached it to a round base with the holes for the strings, you know the ones that keep the roach on ones head. This way the roach could be wrapped and put away and the base put with the beadwork. I wouldn't recommend that it be attached to the roach. You can make it the size that you want and if you use the base that it isn't permanent. One son is contempory grass and other is semi contemporary grass. Go figure.

04-17-2006, 02:18 PM	#16 (permalink)
charliemom Senior Dancer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: montana Posts: 911