Mandan Style Headdresses

tsuj510 · 03-06-2006, 04:05 PM

HoWa..

So I was wondering:

>What's the history?

>Who has the priviligle (sp?) of getting to wear them and why?

WaDo!

The Sam

WhoMe · 03-06-2006, 04:32 PM

It's funny how lots of tradish dancers are now wearing the "Hidatsa" headdress worn in the Charles Bird King painting of Pebriska-Rubpa. . . and don't know what it means.

**Wojapi4Me** · 03-06-2006, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhoMe

It's funny how lots of tradish dancers are now wearing the "Hidatsa" headdress worn in the Charles Bird King painting of Pebriska-Rubpa. . . and don't know what it means.

But it looks scary and cool when they paint their face and that's all that matters huh?

**billyjoejimbob** · 03-06-2006, 05:22 PM

The more feathers, the cooler you are!!!

Thats why singers wear no feathers if not just one. We're humble.

Well, some of us.

Im gonna make a special mandan singers headress now!!!

Buit instead of feathers...im using drumsticks!!!

tsuj510 · 03-06-2006, 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billyjoejimbob

The more feathers, the cooler you are!!!

Thats why singers wear no feathers if not just one. We're humble.

Well, some of us.

Im gonna make a special mandan singers headress now!!!

Buit instead of feathers...im using drumsticks!!!

Ha ha, Aint that the truth! Sometimes I think us Singers are worse than the Grass Dancers-Ayyyyyeeee!

Seriously though, I HAVE seen a resurgence in these. There was a young man from OK who would powwow in MO and IL in the 90's-from a very well respected family, so I always figured it had been passed down or something with those folks.

I agree-it sure looks tough, but in keeping with my previous thread, I've been brought up not to do something just cause it looks "cool". I have only seen eagle feathers utilized in these-have you all seen different? And is it "proprietal" to more than one Nation or Society?

WaDO.

Privateer6 · 03-07-2006, 09:12 AM

I think there are a couple of reasons for the resurgance. 1) as preveiously mentioned they look good. 2) they set a dancer apart from the other dancers, great for attracting attentionin a competition powwow and 3) Whispering Wind recently did an article on how to make them.

sltate · 03-07-2006, 11:21 AM

Yikes, really...an article on how to make them???? Is nothing sacred anymore? Next they will be telling how run peyote meetings, sweat lodge ceremonies, sundance, grass dance initiations, apache mountain god ceremonies, and the list goes on.................

tsuj510 · 03-07-2006, 11:52 AM

Yeah right-that just feels funny. I'm not Mandan or Hidatsa, but I get the impression that those mean something big...

I've sung with some Mandan/Hidatsa boys and have enough respect for them not to touch one of those unless I know what's up..

mjswimmer1 · 03-07-2006, 01:35 PM

This is my husbands response to the question:
my grandfather gave me the right to wear a bonnet with three bald eagle feathers in the center. these eagle feathers represent my clan. as many other bonnet wearers have this same claim. There is also the Dog Soldier Society who back in the day were like police. they will have eagle feather from front to back in a row down the center. the Dog Soldier had a wide range, were called upon by other tribes usually a pair were sent to handle any situation(rescue, dispute,and/or any like situation. this is what I was taught as I am Hidatsa through my mother and was taught by my grandpa Bert Fox-Flynn...but as I am still young and learning myself this is what I can tell now.

**billyjoejimbob** · 03-07-2006, 04:58 PM

Is it worse that people wear them in competition for looks or that the artilce on making them was printed?

Will the article or the dancers cause MORE people to make them?

I havent seen the new issue yet, but did it give a history of the headress or just how to make them? I assume there was a history printed with it, I dont think Jack would just print a "HOW TO" without a "WHY".

Ill have to pick up a new issue at Carlisle. Im a little lax in my subscriptions department at home. Although my wife is up to date on PEOPLE and COOKING magazines!!!

mjswimmer1 · 03-07-2006, 06:23 PM

my husband responds:

I know that I was always to be proud of who I am. Not to use anything that one is not allowed to use. There are reasons that one is allowed to use bonnet as the case is here. maybe there are certain steps a wearer of a certain clan most show out there on the grounds. never know maybe one who where's a certain bonnet has to carry a certain coup stick, could even have to be a war club. I would feel it would be inappropriate for someone without such knowledge, use of bonnet. Remember it is a Right To Use. Not a right to own.

Ron S · 03-09-2006, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billyjoejimbob

Ill have to pick up a new issue at Carlisle.

It's not in the current issue. It was 3-4, or more, issues ago.

03-06-2006, 04:05 PM	#1 (permalink)
tsuj510 Teen Dancer Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 428	Mandan Style Headdresses HoWa.. So I was wondering: >What's the history? >Who has the priviligle (sp?) of getting to wear them and why? WaDo! The Sam

03-06-2006, 04:32 PM	#2 (permalink)
WhoMe PauWau Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Land of 370 Broken Treaties Posts: 5,597	It's funny how lots of tradish dancers are now wearing the "Hidatsa" headdress worn in the Charles Bird King painting of Pebriska-Rubpa. . . and don't know what it means. __________________ "Today, recognizing and respecting the origins of powwow aids in our Cultural Survival. If enough people break the rules because they are not satisfied...."We will have no culture." WhoMe

03-07-2006, 01:35 PM	#9 (permalink)
mjswimmer1 Pow Wow Visitor Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 7	feather bonnet This is my husbands response to the question: my grandfather gave me the right to wear a bonnet with three bald eagle feathers in the center. these eagle feathers represent my clan. as many other bonnet wearers have this same claim. There is also the Dog Soldier Society who back in the day were like police. they will have eagle feather from front to back in a row down the center. the Dog Soldier had a wide range, were called upon by other tribes usually a pair were sent to handle any situation(rescue, dispute,and/or any like situation. this is what I was taught as I am Hidatsa through my mother and was taught by my grandpa Bert Fox-Flynn...but as I am still young and learning myself this is what I can tell now.

03-07-2006, 06:23 PM	#11 (permalink)
mjswimmer1 Pow Wow Visitor Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 7	feather bonnet my husband responds: I know that I was always to be proud of who I am. Not to use anything that one is not allowed to use. There are reasons that one is allowed to use bonnet as the case is here. maybe there are certain steps a wearer of a certain clan most show out there on the grounds. never know maybe one who where's a certain bonnet has to carry a certain coup stick, could even have to be a war club. I would feel it would be inappropriate for someone without such knowledge, use of bonnet. Remember it is a Right To Use. Not a right to own.

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03-06-2006, 05:22 PM	#4 (permalink)
billyjoejimbob Fat Singer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: white guy land Posts: 1,526	The more feathers, the cooler you are!!! Thats why singers wear no feathers if not just one. We're humble. Well, some of us. Im gonna make a special mandan singers headress now!!! Buit instead of feathers...im using drumsticks!!!

03-07-2006, 09:12 AM	#6 (permalink)
Privateer6 Like my new toy? Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Cylon occupied North Carolina Posts: 775	I think there are a couple of reasons for the resurgance. 1) as preveiously mentioned they look good. 2) they set a dancer apart from the other dancers, great for attracting attentionin a competition powwow and 3) Whispering Wind recently did an article on how to make them.

03-07-2006, 11:21 AM	#7 (permalink)
sltate Senior Dancer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: apache,ok Posts: 562	Yikes, really...an article on how to make them???? Is nothing sacred anymore? Next they will be telling how run peyote meetings, sweat lodge ceremonies, sundance, grass dance initiations, apache mountain god ceremonies, and the list goes on.................

03-07-2006, 11:52 AM	#8 (permalink)
tsuj510 Teen Dancer Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 428	Yeah right-that just feels funny. I'm not Mandan or Hidatsa, but I get the impression that those mean something big... I've sung with some Mandan/Hidatsa boys and have enough respect for them not to touch one of those unless I know what's up..

03-07-2006, 04:58 PM	#10 (permalink)
billyjoejimbob Fat Singer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: white guy land Posts: 1,526	Is it worse that people wear them in competition for looks or that the artilce on making them was printed? Will the article or the dancers cause MORE people to make them? I havent seen the new issue yet, but did it give a history of the headress or just how to make them? I assume there was a history printed with it, I dont think Jack would just print a "HOW TO" without a "WHY". Ill have to pick up a new issue at Carlisle. Im a little lax in my subscriptions department at home. Although my wife is up to date on PEOPLE and COOKING magazines!!!

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