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WhoMe · 09-16-2005, 12:07 PM

Individual tribes had their own celebrations and ceremonies that led up to what we now know as the modern intertribal powwow. At each of these tribal dance ceremonies, drums with singers from mostly one tribe or region, sang appropriate songs to accommodate the dancing that took place.

Somewhere in the 1960’s the idea of independent drum groups began to gain acceptance and popularity. Individual drum groups have continued to the present day.

What early pioneer drum groups are you aware of? Perhaps some of these drum groups came from your tribe?

Below are some of the earliest organized (northern) drum groups, to get this tread started. They include:

Lakota/Dakota: Ho Hwo Sju singers, Teton Ramblers, Sioux Travelers, Crazy Horse singers, Sons of the Oglalas, Red Scaffold singers and Red Cloud Singers. Soon After: Ironwood and Porcupine came into prominence.

Blackfoot Confederacy: A-1 Club, Old Agency Singers, Kai-Spai singers, Siksika Ramblers, Kennedy singers, and Crowfoot singers. Soon After: Kicking Woman, Young Grey Horse Society and Black Lodge Singers (aka. Scabby Robe Family, aka. White Swan Singers).

Assiniboine/ Stoney: Ft. Kipp singers, Heart Butte singers, Poplar singers, and Eden Valley Singers. Soon after: Bad Land singers.

Cree: Pigeon Lake singers, Tootoosis Family, Little Boy singers, Little Pine singers, Treaty 6 Ermine Skin Band and Crooked Lake Agency

Chippewa/Cree: Parker Singers, Haystack Ramblers and Rocky Boy Singers.

Chippewa/Ojibway (Anishinabe): Ponemah singers, Red Lake, Leech Lake, Kingbird Singers, Lake of the Woods Singers and LCO Badger Singers.

Menominee: Smokeytown singers.

Potawatomi: White Thunder singers.

Three Affiliated Tribes: Dead Grass Society singers, Howling Wolf, White Shield and Mandaree Singers (aka. Baker Singers)

Northern Cheyenne: Whiteman Drum, Fisher singers and Ashland Singers.

Shoshone: Pogue singers and Snake River singers.

Crow: Bear Cloud singers, Lodge Grass singers and Mad Dog singers.

Mesquakie: Woodland singers and Mesquakie Bear singers.

Northern Ute: White Rocks Singers.

Yakama-Cayuse: Treaty of 1855 singers and Yakama Nation (of Satus Longhouse) singers.

Umatilla: Umatilla Intertribal Singers and Minthorn Singers.

Spokane: Bad Canyon singers.

Dine’ (Navaho): Four Sacred Mountain Singers and White Eagle singers.

This is a starter list. Some of these drums no longer exist. I would appreciate any help and corrections to this list of "earliest organized northern drums."

**Wojapi4Me** · 09-16-2005, 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhoMe

Individual tribes had their own celebrations and ceremonies that led up to what we now know as the modern intertribal powwow. At each of these tribal dance ceremonies, drums with singers from mostly one tribe or region, sang appropriate songs to accommodate the dancing that took place.

Somewhere in the 1960’s the idea of independent drum groups began to gain acceptance and popularity. Individual drum groups have continued to the present day.

What early pioneer drum groups are you aware of? Perhaps some of these drum groups came from your tribe?

Below are some of the earliest organized (northern) drum groups, to get this tread started. They include:

Lakota/Dakota: Ho Hwo Sju singers, Teton Ramblers, Sioux Travelers, Crazy Horse singers, Sons of the Oglalas, Red Scaffold singers and Red Cloud Singers. Soon After: Ironwood and Porcupine came into prominence.

Blackfoot Confederacy: A-1 Club, Old Agency Singers, Kai-Spai singers, Siksika Ramblers, Kennedy singers, and Crowfoot singers. Soon After: Kicking Woman, Young Grey Horse Society and Black Lodge Singers (aka. Scabby Robe Family, aka. White Swan Singers).

Assiniboine/ Stoney: Ft. Kipp singers, Heart Butte singers, Poplar singers, and Eden Valley Singers. Soon after: Bad Land singers.

Cree: Pigeon Lake singers, Tootoosis Family, Little Boy singers, Little Pine singers, Treaty 6 Ermine Skin Band and Crooked Lake Agency

Chippewa/Cree: Parker Singers, Haystack Ramblers and Rocky Boy Singers.

Chippewa/Ojibway (Anishinabe): Ponemah singers, Red Lake, Leech Lake, Kingbird Singers, Lake of the Woods Singers and LCO Badger Singers.

Menominee: Smokeytown singers.

Potawatomi: White Thunder singers.

Three Affiliated Tribes: Dead Grass Society singers, Howling Wolf, White Shield and Mandaree Singers (aka. Baker Singers)

Northern Cheyenne: Whiteman Drum, Fisher singers and Ashland Singers.

Shoshone: Pogue singers and Snake River singers.

Crow: Bear Cloud singers, Lodge Grass singers and Mad Dog singers.

Mesquakie: Woodland singers and Mesquakie Bear singers.

Northern Ute: White Rocks Singers.

Yakama-Cayuse: Treaty of 1855 singers and Yakama Nation (of Satus Longhouse) singers.

Umatilla: Umatilla Intertribal Singers and Minthorn Singers.

Spokane: Bad Canyon singers.

Dine’ (Navaho): Four Sacred Mountain Singers and White Eagle singers.

This is a starter list. Some of these drums no longer exist. I would appreciate any help and corrections to this list of "earliest organized northern drums."

It would be hard for someone to argue that you're not one of the most knowledgeable people on this board. Man, this list takes me back! I guess I feel privileged to have been able to dance to and sing with some of these groups. And, like you said, a lot of these no longer exist as organized groups.

I sang at the official retirement of the Porcupine Singers back in 93' or 94', and at that dance the eyapaha gave an entire history of that group dating back to the 1870s. I know they've sang since then - heck, I've sung with them since then - but, they did officially retire their drum at that time.

I remember loving the Kicking Woman Singers, Badland Singers, and hearing an old tape of the Treaty 6 Ermineskin Band and thinking, "man, that sounds different, but wow does it sound good." Those Crees really "creeated" the contemporary sound. Sorry, that was really cheesy, but couldn't resist. Thanks for the memories.

Pushtay Hill · 04-10-2006, 06:16 PM

What about Snake River of Fort Hall,the Gould Family?! Some singers were never recorded by the recording companys,but there were some top singers who were influential. From Yakama and the Columbia River area were the Thompson Brothers,the George brothers.and the Yallup Brothers and they were all big drum singers raised in an era when pow-wows were becoming a big pasttime. Their influence is still felt today from many of us who had the priviledge to listen to them sing and to hear their stories of their travels across the West and into Canada. I can remember waiting for my uncle to get back from wherever he traveled,to listen to his recordings of places such as Crow Fair,Poplar Oil Days,Ft.Kipp,MT and even Hobbema,Alberta. Yep,Way Kool Old Skool

Stormcutter · 04-13-2006, 06:36 PM

Under Cree early groups you have Little Boy Singers, Little Boy are Stony Tribe. Also two prominant groups that were active at that time were " Mosquito Jrs." from Saskatchewan and the" Maskwachees Jrs". from Alberta.

Pushtay Hill · 04-13-2006, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stormcutter

Under Cree early groups you have Little Boy Singers, Little Boy are Stony Tribe. Also two prominant groups that were active at that time were " Mosquito Jrs." from Saskatchewan and the" Maskwachees Jrs". from Alberta.

WHO? Never heard of'em,.........ayc!!! Hey man fo'sho. Is it musk/wa or mask/wa? Wonderin' if they're comin' back to Wildhorse to defend their title? Laterz

chip · 04-14-2006, 01:45 AM

chip · 04-14-2006, 02:06 AM

thunderchild singers
wikwemikong drum committee
Otonabee
red earth
whitefish bay
chicago singers
detroit singers
all nations
stoney creek (ontario)
omaha singers
chippewa singers
otterhead singers
white eye singers
red ryder
red nation
two thunder
red tail (wisconsin)
bobtail
three fires
hardcore
chi-noodin
bear claw
cumberland

WhoMe · 04-14-2006, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chip

thunderchild singers
wikwemikong drum committee
Otonabee
red earth
whitefish bay
chicago singers
detroit singers
all nations
stoney creek (ontario)
omaha singers
chippewa singers
otterhead singers
white eye singers
red ryder
red nation
two thunder
red tail (wisconsin)
bobtail
three fires
hardcore
chi-noodin
bear claw
cumberland

Thanks for the additions and corrections (aye, Roberts Rules of Order jargon).

Chip, can you put a tribe next to each drum group. It's are really good list!

sewiyakana1 · 04-14-2006, 10:29 PM

Otterhead (james bay ontario)

whalawitsagirl · 04-28-2006, 04:06 AM

In true drumfly fashion I use to have the biggest crush on one of them and I use to hear them at Red Earth all the time, But now all I do is listen to their tapes I managed to find at various vendors.
And I remember hearing Red Nation at United Tribes long time ago, I even have an old "recorded live at United Tribes" and you just don't hear thoes songs anymore. But thanks for the memories.

Purple Reign · 04-28-2006, 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhoMe

Individual tribes had their own celebrations and ceremonies that led up to what we now know as the modern intertribal powwow. At each of these tribal dance ceremonies, drums with singers from mostly one tribe or region, sang appropriate songs to accommodate the dancing that took place.

Somewhere in the 1960’s the idea of independent drum groups began to gain acceptance and popularity. Individual drum groups have continued to the present day.

What early pioneer drum groups are you aware of? Perhaps some of these drum groups came from your tribe?

Below are some of the earliest organized (northern) drum groups, to get this tread started. They include:

Lakota/Dakota: Ho Hwo Sju singers, Teton Ramblers, Sioux Travelers, Crazy Horse singers, Sons of the Oglalas, Red Scaffold singers and Red Cloud Singers. Soon After: Ironwood and Porcupine came into prominence.

Blackfoot Confederacy: A-1 Club, Old Agency Singers, Kai-Spai singers, Siksika Ramblers, Kennedy singers, and Crowfoot singers. Soon After: Kicking Woman, Young Grey Horse Society and Black Lodge Singers (aka. Scabby Robe Family, aka. White Swan Singers).

Assiniboine/ Stoney: Ft. Kipp singers, Heart Butte singers, Poplar singers, and Eden Valley Singers. Soon after: Bad Land singers.

Cree: Pigeon Lake singers, Tootoosis Family, Little Boy singers, Little Pine singers, Treaty 6 Ermine Skin Band and Crooked Lake Agency

Chippewa/Cree: Parker Singers, Haystack Ramblers and Rocky Boy Singers.

Chippewa/Ojibway (Anishinabe): Ponemah singers, Red Lake, Leech Lake, Kingbird Singers, Lake of the Woods Singers and LCO Badger Singers.

Menominee: Smokeytown singers.

Potawatomi: White Thunder singers.

Three Affiliated Tribes: Dead Grass Society singers, Howling Wolf, White Shield and Mandaree Singers (aka. Baker Singers)

Northern Cheyenne: Whiteman Drum, Fisher singers and Ashland Singers.

Shoshone: Pogue singers and Snake River singers.

Crow: Bear Cloud singers, Lodge Grass singers and Mad Dog singers.

Mesquakie: Woodland singers and Mesquakie Bear singers.

Northern Ute: White Rocks Singers.

Yakama-Cayuse: Treaty of 1855 singers and Yakama Nation (of Satus Longhouse) singers.

Umatilla: Umatilla Intertribal Singers and Minthorn Singers.

Spokane: Bad Canyon singers.

Dine’ (Navaho): Four Sacred Mountain Singers and White Eagle singers.

This is a starter list. Some of these drums no longer exist. I would appreciate any help and corrections to this list of "earliest organized northern drums."

Is this list from your memory or did you just go to the Canyon Records website?

plainswindrdr · 05-01-2006, 05:41 PM

Does anyone have any information on "Whitefish Bay Juniors"?

**stillrezin** · 05-10-2006, 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhoMe

Individual tribes had their own celebrations and ceremonies that led up to what we now know as the modern intertribal powwow. At each of these tribal dance ceremonies, drums with singers from mostly one tribe or region, sang appropriate songs to accommodate the dancing that took place.

Somewhere in the 1960’s the idea of independent drum groups began to gain acceptance and popularity. Individual drum groups have continued to the present day.

What early pioneer drum groups are you aware of? Perhaps some of these drum groups came from your tribe?

Below are some of the earliest organized (northern) drum groups, to get this tread started. They include:

Lakota/Dakota: Ho Hwo Sju singers, Teton Ramblers, Sioux Travelers, Crazy Horse singers, Sons of the Oglalas, Red Scaffold singers and Red Cloud Singers. Soon After: Ironwood and Porcupine came into prominence.

Blackfoot Confederacy: A-1 Club, Old Agency Singers, Kai-Spai singers, Siksika Ramblers, Kennedy singers, and Crowfoot singers. Soon After: Kicking Woman, Young Grey Horse Society and Black Lodge Singers (aka. Scabby Robe Family, aka. White Swan Singers).

Assiniboine/ Stoney: Ft. Kipp singers, Heart Butte singers, Poplar singers, and Eden Valley Singers. Soon after: Bad Land singers.

Cree: Pigeon Lake singers, Tootoosis Family, Little Boy singers, Little Pine singers, Treaty 6 Ermine Skin Band and Crooked Lake Agency

Chippewa/Cree: Parker Singers, Haystack Ramblers and Rocky Boy Singers.

Chippewa/Ojibway (Anishinabe): Ponemah singers, Red Lake, Leech Lake, Kingbird Singers, Lake of the Woods Singers and LCO Badger Singers.

Menominee: Smokeytown singers.

Potawatomi: White Thunder singers.

Three Affiliated Tribes: Dead Grass Society singers, Howling Wolf, White Shield and Mandaree Singers (aka. Baker Singers)

Northern Cheyenne: Whiteman Drum, Fisher singers and Ashland Singers.

Shoshone: Pogue singers and Snake River singers.

Crow: Bear Cloud singers, Lodge Grass singers and Mad Dog singers.

Mesquakie: Woodland singers and Mesquakie Bear singers.

Northern Ute: White Rocks Singers.

Yakama-Cayuse: Treaty of 1855 singers and Yakama Nation (of Satus Longhouse) singers.

Umatilla: Umatilla Intertribal Singers and Minthorn Singers.

Spokane: Bad Canyon singers.

Dine’ (Navaho): Four Sacred Mountain Singers and White Eagle singers.

This is a starter list. Some of these drums no longer exist. I would appreciate any help and corrections to this list of "earliest organized northern drums."

WhoMe you have a good memory and these names take me back to when i was a young man and traveed the pow-wow trail i heard most of them singing.
good memories.

**stillrezin** · 12-07-2006, 10:36 PM

bumping this back up to the top.

WhoMe · 12-13-2006, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purple Reign

Is this list from your memory or did you just go to the Canyon Records website?

Purple R,

Some from memory, some from archival sites.

Researching powwow history is what I do!

Are you advertising for Canyon? *L

Coyot_In_The_House · 12-13-2006, 07:04 PM

I'll pull a couple out of muh hat.....Lemme Think.....Errr!
Geez Who Me covered most of the bases.....

**ntownn8ive** · 12-13-2006, 08:22 PM

Hays Singers

Running Child

Ft. Belknap Singers

all from Ft. Belknap, MT

All Nations

Weasel Tail

from Yakama

Glen Eaglespeaker's drum group...?? can't member...

most covered anywayz...but therez more!!

anyone else errmember back then?? ayez

(before my time!)

Nathan11 · 12-13-2006, 10:32 PM

Badland Singers and Elk Whistle are good too..

Saponi4ever · 12-14-2006, 06:06 PM

Haliwa-Saponi: Shallow Water Singers, Whitetail Singers
Lumbee: Lumbee and Friends, Running Water

**ndldy68** · 12-15-2006, 01:08 PM

I remember dancing to some of these drums. Back in the day!!! lol
Those were some good drums and brings back a lot of memories.

09-16-2005, 12:07 PM	#1 (permalink)
WhoMe PauWau Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Land of 370 Broken Treaties Posts: 5,993 Credits: 82,423.79	Earliest Drum Groups Individual tribes had their own celebrations and ceremonies that led up to what we now know as the modern intertribal powwow. At each of these tribal dance ceremonies, drums with singers from mostly one tribe or region, sang appropriate songs to accommodate the dancing that took place. Somewhere in the 1960’s the idea of independent drum groups began to gain acceptance and popularity. Individual drum groups have continued to the present day. What early pioneer drum groups are you aware of? Perhaps some of these drum groups came from your tribe? Below are some of the earliest organized (northern) drum groups, to get this tread started. They include: Lakota/Dakota: Ho Hwo Sju singers, Teton Ramblers, Sioux Travelers, Crazy Horse singers, Sons of the Oglalas, Red Scaffold singers and Red Cloud Singers. Soon After: Ironwood and Porcupine came into prominence. Blackfoot Confederacy: A-1 Club, Old Agency Singers, Kai-Spai singers, Siksika Ramblers, Kennedy singers, and Crowfoot singers. Soon After: Kicking Woman, Young Grey Horse Society and Black Lodge Singers (aka. Scabby Robe Family, aka. White Swan Singers). Assiniboine/ Stoney: Ft. Kipp singers, Heart Butte singers, Poplar singers, and Eden Valley Singers. Soon after: Bad Land singers. Cree: Pigeon Lake singers, Tootoosis Family, Little Boy singers, Little Pine singers, Treaty 6 Ermine Skin Band and Crooked Lake Agency Chippewa/Cree: Parker Singers, Haystack Ramblers and Rocky Boy Singers. Chippewa/Ojibway (Anishinabe): Ponemah singers, Red Lake, Leech Lake, Kingbird Singers, Lake of the Woods Singers and LCO Badger Singers. Menominee: Smokeytown singers. Potawatomi: White Thunder singers. Three Affiliated Tribes: Dead Grass Society singers, Howling Wolf, White Shield and Mandaree Singers (aka. Baker Singers) Northern Cheyenne: Whiteman Drum, Fisher singers and Ashland Singers. Shoshone: Pogue singers and Snake River singers. Crow: Bear Cloud singers, Lodge Grass singers and Mad Dog singers. Mesquakie: Woodland singers and Mesquakie Bear singers. Northern Ute: White Rocks Singers. Yakama-Cayuse: Treaty of 1855 singers and Yakama Nation (of Satus Longhouse) singers. Umatilla: Umatilla Intertribal Singers and Minthorn Singers. Spokane: Bad Canyon singers. Dine’ (Navaho): Four Sacred Mountain Singers and White Eagle singers. This is a starter list. Some of these drums no longer exist. I would appreciate any help and corrections to this list of "earliest organized northern drums." __________________ "English IS a foreign language. It did not originate on this land." WhoMe

04-10-2006, 06:16 PM	#3 (permalink)
Pushtay Hill Pow Wow Visitor Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 14 Credits: 220.00	Old Skool Eh?! What about Snake River of Fort Hall,the Gould Family?! Some singers were never recorded by the recording companys,but there were some top singers who were influential. From Yakama and the Columbia River area were the Thompson Brothers,the George brothers.and the Yallup Brothers and they were all big drum singers raised in an era when pow-wows were becoming a big pasttime. Their influence is still felt today from many of us who had the priviledge to listen to them sing and to hear their stories of their travels across the West and into Canada. I can remember waiting for my uncle to get back from wherever he traveled,to listen to his recordings of places such as Crow Fair,Poplar Oil Days,Ft.Kipp,MT and even Hobbema,Alberta. Yep,Way Kool Old Skool

04-13-2006, 06:36 PM	#4 (permalink)
Stormcutter Pow Wow Visitor Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1 Credits: 220.00	Earliest Drum Groups Under Cree early groups you have Little Boy Singers, Little Boy are Stony Tribe. Also two prominant groups that were active at that time were " Mosquito Jrs." from Saskatchewan and the" Maskwachees Jrs". from Alberta.

04-14-2006, 01:45 AM	#6 (permalink)
chip Nocka Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Niishnabe Ki Posts: 94 Credits: 809.52	__________________ You can't have a powwow without a drum! Last edited by chip; 04-14-2006 at 02:23 AM.. Reason: i accidentally hit the upload button

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chip Nocka Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Niishnabe Ki Posts: 94 Credits: 809.52	I remember: thunderchild singers wikwemikong drum committee Otonabee red earth whitefish bay chicago singers detroit singers all nations stoney creek (ontario) omaha singers chippewa singers otterhead singers white eye singers red ryder red nation two thunder red tail (wisconsin) bobtail three fires hardcore chi-noodin bear claw cumberland __________________ You can't have a powwow without a drum!

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04-14-2006, 10:29 PM	#9 (permalink)
sewiyakana1 Pow Wow Visitor Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 4 Credits: 226.05	Otterhead (james bay ontario)

04-28-2006, 04:06 AM	#10 (permalink)
whalawitsagirl Junior Dancer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: in a house Posts: 126 Credits: 859.95	what ever happened to Whitefish Bay? In true drumfly fashion I use to have the biggest crush on one of them and I use to hear them at Red Earth all the time, But now all I do is listen to their tapes I managed to find at various vendors. And I remember hearing Red Nation at United Tribes long time ago, I even have an old "recorded live at United Tribes" and you just don't hear thoes songs anymore. But thanks for the memories. __________________ I'M HAVING PEPSI WISHES AND INDIAN TACO DREAMS

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plainswindrdr plainswindrdr Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1 Credits: 321.00	Does anyone have any information on "Whitefish Bay Juniors"?

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stillrezin REZIN RIDE Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: 3rd tipi on the left just past the broken down car and the pack of rez dogs chasing horse's Posts: 31,675 Credits: 13,154,323.37 Blog Entries: 5	bumping this back up to the top. __________________ ...GoT GreaSe?... www.Grease.It.Ayye.com RezinInc

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Coyot_In_The_House BOULDERDASH! Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Please Don't Interrupt Me While I'm Ignoring You! Posts: 4,127 Credits: 4,204.89	Who Me always does his Homework.... I'll pull a couple out of muh hat.....Lemme Think.....Errr! Geez Who Me covered most of the bases..... __________________ "She also has a very soft skin. The only trouble with snake women is they copulate with horses, which makes them strange to me. She say's she doesn't. That's why I call her "Doesn't Like Horses". But, of course, she's lying."

12-13-2006, 08:22 PM	#17 (permalink)
ntownn8ive As you can see... Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: We get a lot of sun in Ntown! Posts: 5,939 Credits: 2,078.99 Blog Entries: 1	Hays Singers Running Child Ft. Belknap Singers all from Ft. Belknap, MT All Nations Weasel Tail from Yakama Glen Eaglespeaker's drum group...?? can't member... most covered anywayz...but therez more!! anyone else errmember back then?? ayez (before my time!) __________________ ...that's so true....so, so true...

12-13-2006, 10:32 PM	#18 (permalink)
Nathan11 Dancer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: On the Powwow Trail... Posts: 63 Credits: 893.62	Badland Singers and Elk Whistle are good too..

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Saponi4ever Northern Drum Sanga Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 158 Credits: 3,940.20	Haliwa-Saponi: Shallow Water Singers, Whitetail Singers Lumbee: Lumbee and Friends, Running Water

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ndldy68 my mini me Join Date: May 2005 Location: any where I want... Posts: 5,838 Credits: 2,407,511.47	I remember dancing to some of these drums. Back in the day!!! lol Those were some good drums and brings back a lot of memories.

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