Secuity at G.O.N

Illmami · 05-06-2005, 04:12 PM

I just want to say that the security took their jobs a bit too serious at gathering this year. I was recording for Eyabay and this guy grabs me by the arm and tries to tell me to leave. It was crazy because he did that to some guy next to me and he wasn't havin it! The song was alomost over too. I also heard they threw someone out just for standing behind the drum. They should ease up next year.

**chazziff** · 05-06-2005, 07:01 PM

event staff took their jobs seriously i guess - i bet they were given specific/general indstructions on certain things. like only one entrance into the building - but for most people if your parked on one side of the building you sure the hell gonna try get in the door right beside your truck and you have your wrist band on soooo there should be no problems right? and in most places no. but here they turned into security nazis - no entrance for you!! no watching the drum right there for you!! who cares if your an elder or not!!

well just remember your past weekend next year when you're wondering what pow wow to go to the last weekend in april....

jerich · 05-07-2005, 01:23 PM

yah they was extremely stricked they even took off one of our drummers braclets and wouldn't let hem in so he had to buy a day ticket and even then they seem to be extremely touchy with people they dont' know personal space that's for sure

Illmami · 05-09-2005, 04:41 PM

That is crazy! why would they do that ? Anyways, it's their fault if less singers show up next year.

**rkbtmeyb** · 05-09-2005, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Illmami

That is crazy! why would they do that ? Anyways, it's their fault if less singers show up next year.

WORD

ccreek10 · 05-11-2005, 05:06 PM

Got this off their Web Site:

Staff | E-Mail
In leu of circumstances regarding the Eya bay fiasco. The singer was given "four" verbal warnings to take his seat as he was standing in front of elders, using foul language in front of children, ignoring repeated requests by the announcers to not crowd drums, and being blatanly rude to the people around him. He disrespected the drum who was singing by swearing loudly over them on live radio, he disrespected the elders by his childish behavior, and his drum by not following the rules of the competition.

Security is not there to babysit drummers/dancers who routinely show disrespect to the people around them and those who cry about it after the fact.

The judges, arena directors, and the committee are well aware of the singer's actions and agreed with Security in his prompt removal from the facility. Had this individual been more respectful to the people around him we would not have have this problem.

Singers/dancers are not above anyone else when it comes to disrespecting the pow-wow and will be handled accordingly.

Overall the pow-wow was incredible and it was good to see bright educated people come together at a table of celebration. A-ho!
4 May 2005 - NM

jerich · 05-11-2005, 05:59 PM

that's a really harsh way to put things i'd like to see them have there powwow without drummers see if the dancers like dancing to a cd do you think the eagle pooping in the arena was a sign?

Wihey1 · 05-11-2005, 06:21 PM

Been there one time and that was enough for me. Fun meeting new people but too commercial. More like work than anything else. Not knockin anyone or their pow wow but.......I'll never go back. I hear stuff all the time about the GON and it ain't been all good either.

**eap7** · 05-12-2005, 01:33 AM

I understand that security are given a specific job outline to do and they have to do it, but you can make exceptions for minor things. Example: I stepped outside one of the doors for a second because I couldn't hear a phone call. I had a wristband on. I talked on the phone for maybe 30 seconds and then tried to come back in. The guy at the door, who had asked me not a minute before if I had a wristband to remind me that without one there would be no in-out privileges, wouldn't let me back in because it was an "out" door and I had to walk around to the "in" door. How stupid is that?! It wouldn't hurt anyone if I walked back in, especially since I was just standing right outside the door!!! That was kind of a ridiculous rule that could have been broken to let me back in...

**chazziff** · 05-12-2005, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jerich

that's a really harsh way to put things i'd like to see them have there powwow without drummers see if the dancers like dancing to a cd

think this where this pow wow is goin to - i must admit that the guy involved kinda sounded like a young man who hasn't matured yet (to put it nicely) with all his use of swearing in his post at ndnsports.com. and he was probably doing all the things they said he was doing but to kick him out of the building and security to pull a KNIFE on him to cut his wristband off? to call a drum group a bunch of crybabies after the fact? the "big gun" and all drum groups should collectively protest eyabay's treatment by boycotting this pow wow.

besides - there are big pow wows out there that CAN effectively handle those large crowds like toronto and schemitzun - where they do allow "watching" of drums, event staff is very helpful and everyone has fun...

**billyjoejimbob** · 05-12-2005, 08:50 AM

Bytcotting the powwow is one move but not because of the securities treatment of the singer. Yeah the knife was a bit much but everything else was probably handled correctly. No offense to Eyabay or anyone here who sings with or is friends with them, but I believe it when they say there was disrespect and cursing. I see it all the time with younger singers. Yeah, you may be a great singer, voicewise, but there is more to being a singer than having a great voice.

The youth today is very disrespectful. When I was a kid and a teenager I would never disrespect an adult, or even another person. I never got in trouble because that would disrespect my parents.

When I see the way kids act today I blame their parents. Many parents are clueless today.

Cutbead Queen · 05-12-2005, 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ccreek10

Got this off their Web Site:

Staff | E-Mail
In leu of circumstances regarding the Eya bay fiasco. The singer was given "four" verbal warnings to take his seat as he was standing in front of elders, using foul language in front of children, ignoring repeated requests by the announcers to not crowd drums, and being blatanly rude to the people around him. He disrespected the drum who was singing by swearing loudly over them on live radio, he disrespected the elders by his childish behavior, and his drum by not following the rules of the competition.

Security is not there to babysit drummers/dancers who routinely show disrespect to the people around them and those who cry about it after the fact.

The judges, arena directors, and the committee are well aware of the singer's actions and agreed with Security in his prompt removal from the facility. Had this individual been more respectful to the people around him we would not have have this problem.

Singers/dancers are not above anyone else when it comes to disrespecting the pow-wow and will be handled accordingly.

Overall the pow-wow was incredible and it was good to see bright educated people come together at a table of celebration. A-ho!
4 May 2005 - NM

Well this bright educated "Indian" would like to know how the GON organization got it's not for profit status in the first place and how they continue to maintain it.

From the GON website:

“The Gathering of Nations is a Native American Indian 501(c)3 non-profit organization founded in 1983 to promote Native American, American Indian, and indigenous culture & tradition, and dispel stereotypes created about Native American Indian and indigenous people.”

In my opinion, they are a for profit organization and could careless about the average "rez" indian, they are even arrogant enough to price gouge us. What has GON as an organization ever given back to indian people? Nothing that I'm aware of except attitude. I would venture to guess that if GON and its board of directors was even remotely looked at by certian government agencies that gave them the tax-exempt non-profit status in the first place..........they wouldn't be in business for very long.

Furthermore, to insinuate that only the bright and educated are capable of enjoying their pow-wow is a major slap in the face to anyone who voices an opionion that isn't particularly thrilled with the way the they run their pow-wow. Seems to me whomever posted that statement on the GON website needs some more education, the GON board of directors should seriously consider retracting the statement........we Indians are'nt as dumb as you think. To blatenly publically post such a statement is incredably disrepectful to every Indian that reads it if you ask me, and you all read it staight from the GON website. They who profess to to be so respectful that they judge others on the issue of respect! Give me a break!!!!

That is exactly what GON board of directors believes, you disagree with them and they publically berate you as being not so bright and uneducated. Not to smart if you ask me.....ever heard the saying "Don't bite the hand that feeds you" A-ho

spongebobsqareknob · 05-12-2005, 08:07 PM

lots of drums already been boycotting for years...it would really show Derrick if no drums showed up next year. lets see them have a powow without goot singing and goot songs...i vote all drums should boycott next year and then maybe the drum and its singers would get sum respect.

ABdrum · 05-15-2005, 06:42 AM

this is what I recieved on my website from one of the so called security guard at the Gatherings. He made it sound like they were above the law and that the Powwow could go on without drum groups.

Name: Event Staff
Email: real_ndn@yahoo.com
HomePage: http://
Where are
you from: Albuquerque
Comments: Get your fact straight. The Eyabay singer was completely out of line as he disrespected elders, children, drums, and you with his behavior. A singer from your drum was also repeatedly warned for his childish behavior as well and I did speak to a rep from your drum about him too. Singers/dancers are not above anyone when it comes to participating in pow-wows. Trust me in working the Gathering for a number of years I've seen way better drums than yours. You have potential but it needs to be cleaned up. It's a right that comes from being earned. By you bad mouthing the very people who took care of you shows the amount of respect you were brought up in. No one said you can't record anything "from your seats". Following drums and getting in the way of elders and stepping on children and be disrespectful about it is where you have the problem. In any event I do wish you luck and know that in Indian Country it's always good to wish nothing but good things towards one another.
Who are your favorite Dine' drum groups?
Other favorite drum groups?
Favorite powwows to check out?
May 4, 2005 22:43:12 (GMT Time)

I think the only ones disrespecting the elders and drum groups were the securitys at the Gathering. He mentions one of our singers, but, if a person admires another drumgroup, who are they to say that the person can't go over and watch them sing. They seriously need to lighten up, or they may not have a job, when no drum groups show up for the next G.O.N. Without drumgroups, there is no powwow. they need to think about that, before they start treating the Gatherings like a night club and trying to be bouncers chasing out anyone they think needs to be escorted out.

**chazziff** · 05-15-2005, 02:13 PM

shyt i like that - bouncers at the door - yea to keep all the "dim" & "uneducated" ppl/ndns out of the pit as the committee wants...since you have to be bright and educated to enjoy the pow wow.

alot of the drums don't like going that way - the drum pay isn't that great, the drive, the crowds, the commercialism. you can almost bet half of the drums from this year wont be there next year..

someone mentioned earlier that alot of the people should stay home (mainly ppl/natives from far away who in their words can't afford to come - shyt they got there didn't they?) and if they did do that - they would be dancing to "local" (arizona/new mexico) drums and watching "local" dancers. not listening and jammin out to the likes of northern cree, war scout, eyabay, e - nakoda, etc. and not watching the likes of champions from oklahoma, washington, california, canada, etc. now what kind of gathering of NATIONS would that be..

mountaindew · 05-15-2005, 02:56 PM

Last year I made a comment on their website about elders having a hard time getting up and down the stairs. I checked back again to read other comments and my comment had been deleted. I searched for the specific day that I had made it and couldn't find it. See how they are, they don't want any controverial comments about their powwow on their website. We can rant and rave but they're not going to change anything.

05-06-2005, 04:12 PM	#1 (permalink)
Illmami Tiny Tot Dancer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Mt.Pleasant, Mi Posts: 30	Secuity at G.O.N I just want to say that the security took their jobs a bit too serious at gathering this year. I was recording for Eyabay and this guy grabs me by the arm and tries to tell me to leave. It was crazy because he did that to some guy next to me and he wasn't havin it! The song was alomost over too. I also heard they threw someone out just for standing behind the drum. They should ease up next year.

05-06-2005, 07:01 PM	#2 (permalink)
chazziff YO!! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in a big sleigh bed Posts: 6,514	event staff took their jobs seriously i guess - i bet they were given specific/general indstructions on certain things. like only one entrance into the building - but for most people if your parked on one side of the building you sure the hell gonna try get in the door right beside your truck and you have your wrist band on soooo there should be no problems right? and in most places no. but here they turned into security nazis - no entrance for you!! no watching the drum right there for you!! who cares if your an elder or not!! well just remember your past weekend next year when you're wondering what pow wow to go to the last weekend in april.... __________________ See I wanna move, but can't escape from you So I keep it low, keep a secret code So everybody else don't have to know So keep ya love locked down

05-07-2005, 01:23 PM	#3 (permalink)
jerich Mikmaq/Maliseet Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Tobique Posts: 55	sucurity yah they was extremely stricked they even took off one of our drummers braclets and wouldn't let hem in so he had to buy a day ticket and even then they seem to be extremely touchy with people they dont' know personal space that's for sure

05-11-2005, 05:59 PM	#7 (permalink)
jerich Mikmaq/Maliseet Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Tobique Posts: 55	crybaby's?????? that's a really harsh way to put things i'd like to see them have there powwow without drummers see if the dancers like dancing to a cd do you think the eagle pooping in the arena was a sign?

05-12-2005, 08:07 PM	#13 (permalink)
spongebobsqareknob Too Contemp! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: over der Posts: 16	Boycotting the GON? lots of drums already been boycotting for years...it would really show Derrick if no drums showed up next year. lets see them have a powow without goot singing and goot songs...i vote all drums should boycott next year and then maybe the drum and its singers would get sum respect.

05-09-2005, 04:41 PM	#4 (permalink)
Illmami Tiny Tot Dancer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Mt.Pleasant, Mi Posts: 30	That is crazy! why would they do that ? Anyways, it's their fault if less singers show up next year.

05-11-2005, 05:06 PM	#6 (permalink)
ccreek10 Tiny Tot Dancer Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Powwow Land Posts: 55	Got this off their Web Site: Staff \| E-Mail In leu of circumstances regarding the Eya bay fiasco. The singer was given "four" verbal warnings to take his seat as he was standing in front of elders, using foul language in front of children, ignoring repeated requests by the announcers to not crowd drums, and being blatanly rude to the people around him. He disrespected the drum who was singing by swearing loudly over them on live radio, he disrespected the elders by his childish behavior, and his drum by not following the rules of the competition. Security is not there to babysit drummers/dancers who routinely show disrespect to the people around them and those who cry about it after the fact. The judges, arena directors, and the committee are well aware of the singer's actions and agreed with Security in his prompt removal from the facility. Had this individual been more respectful to the people around him we would not have have this problem. Singers/dancers are not above anyone else when it comes to disrespecting the pow-wow and will be handled accordingly. Overall the pow-wow was incredible and it was good to see bright educated people come together at a table of celebration. A-ho! 4 May 2005 - NM

05-11-2005, 06:21 PM	#8 (permalink)
Wihey1 Tiny Tot Dancer Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 56	Been there one time and that was enough for me. Fun meeting new people but too commercial. More like work than anything else. Not knockin anyone or their pow wow but.......I'll never go back. I hear stuff all the time about the GON and it ain't been all good either.

05-12-2005, 01:33 AM	#9 (permalink)
eap7 ~Erica~ Join Date: Apr 2000 Posts: 1,239 Blog Entries: 5	I understand that security are given a specific job outline to do and they have to do it, but you can make exceptions for minor things. Example: I stepped outside one of the doors for a second because I couldn't hear a phone call. I had a wristband on. I talked on the phone for maybe 30 seconds and then tried to come back in. The guy at the door, who had asked me not a minute before if I had a wristband to remind me that without one there would be no in-out privileges, wouldn't let me back in because it was an "out" door and I had to walk around to the "in" door. How stupid is that?! It wouldn't hurt anyone if I walked back in, especially since I was just standing right outside the door!!! That was kind of a ridiculous rule that could have been broken to let me back in...

05-12-2005, 08:50 AM	#11 (permalink)
billyjoejimbob Fat Singer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: white guy land Posts: 1,526	Bytcotting the powwow is one move but not because of the securities treatment of the singer. Yeah the knife was a bit much but everything else was probably handled correctly. No offense to Eyabay or anyone here who sings with or is friends with them, but I believe it when they say there was disrespect and cursing. I see it all the time with younger singers. Yeah, you may be a great singer, voicewise, but there is more to being a singer than having a great voice. The youth today is very disrespectful. When I was a kid and a teenager I would never disrespect an adult, or even another person. I never got in trouble because that would disrespect my parents. When I see the way kids act today I blame their parents. Many parents are clueless today.

05-15-2005, 06:42 AM	#14 (permalink)
ABdrum MM! MMM!! BEE-YATCH!!! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: WhiteRock, N.M. (dine' nation) Posts: 159	this is what I recieved on my website from one of the so called security guard at the Gatherings. He made it sound like they were above the law and that the Powwow could go on without drum groups. Name: Event Staff Email: real_ndn@yahoo.com HomePage: http:// Where are you from: Albuquerque Comments: Get your fact straight. The Eyabay singer was completely out of line as he disrespected elders, children, drums, and you with his behavior. A singer from your drum was also repeatedly warned for his childish behavior as well and I did speak to a rep from your drum about him too. Singers/dancers are not above anyone when it comes to participating in pow-wows. Trust me in working the Gathering for a number of years I've seen way better drums than yours. You have potential but it needs to be cleaned up. It's a right that comes from being earned. By you bad mouthing the very people who took care of you shows the amount of respect you were brought up in. No one said you can't record anything "from your seats". Following drums and getting in the way of elders and stepping on children and be disrespectful about it is where you have the problem. In any event I do wish you luck and know that in Indian Country it's always good to wish nothing but good things towards one another. Who are your favorite Dine' drum groups? Other favorite drum groups? Favorite powwows to check out? May 4, 2005 22:43:12 (GMT Time) I think the only ones disrespecting the elders and drum groups were the securitys at the Gathering. He mentions one of our singers, but, if a person admires another drumgroup, who are they to say that the person can't go over and watch them sing. They seriously need to lighten up, or they may not have a job, when no drum groups show up for the next G.O.N. Without drumgroups, there is no powwow. they need to think about that, before they start treating the Gatherings like a night club and trying to be bouncers chasing out anyone they think needs to be escorted out.

05-15-2005, 02:13 PM	#15 (permalink)
chazziff YO!! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in a big sleigh bed Posts: 6,514	shyt i like that - bouncers at the door - yea to keep all the "dim" & "uneducated" ppl/ndns out of the pit as the committee wants...since you have to be bright and educated to enjoy the pow wow. alot of the drums don't like going that way - the drum pay isn't that great, the drive, the crowds, the commercialism. you can almost bet half of the drums from this year wont be there next year.. someone mentioned earlier that alot of the people should stay home (mainly ppl/natives from far away who in their words can't afford to come - shyt they got there didn't they?) and if they did do that - they would be dancing to "local" (arizona/new mexico) drums and watching "local" dancers. not listening and jammin out to the likes of northern cree, war scout, eyabay, e - nakoda, etc. and not watching the likes of champions from oklahoma, washington, california, canada, etc. now what kind of gathering of NATIONS would that be.. __________________ See I wanna move, but can't escape from you So I keep it low, keep a secret code So everybody else don't have to know So keep ya love locked down

05-15-2005, 02:56 PM	#16 (permalink)
mountaindew Junior Dancer Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: South of the Canadian Border Posts: 121	Last year I made a comment on their website about elders having a hard time getting up and down the stairs. I checked back again to read other comments and my comment had been deleted. I searched for the specific day that I had made it and couldn't find it. See how they are, they don't want any controverial comments about their powwow on their website. We can rant and rave but they're not going to change anything.