Who is the worst drum for short-changing?

Slammer · 02-01-2005, 06:45 PM

This applies to any singer who drum hops or just sings with any drum or even the committed bro style singer, basically every singer out there! Which of these following drum groups are the best at giving the least amount of money to their singers and/or pocket the money for themselves?

**Wojapi4Me** · 02-02-2005, 11:18 AM

What a stupid, petty poll.

**Kiwehnzii** · 02-02-2005, 11:28 AM

I agree.

**chazziff** · 02-02-2005, 11:53 AM

Another petty ignorant guy who probably doesn't have a car - to help carry some of the other singers and the drum, doesn't lead, or is continually walkin around the pow wow instead of sitting at the drum so he misses a song so he doesn't get a " full" drum cut - just a couple of reasons some singers get less than others. All he sees is the $5000 first place and there was ten singers so he should get $500 and doesn't realize the gas and other things like rooms and food to get there and the money to get to the next pow wow. Just my $0.02.

old_schooldancer2004 · 02-02-2005, 01:58 PM

Dang, I've seen some stupid polls in my life; but this one is special.

Talk about tryin to openly hate on drum groups.

The_HULK · 02-02-2005, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by old_schooldancer2004

Dang, I've seen some stupid polls in my life; but this one is special.

Talk about tryin to openly hate on drum groups.

I agree. This is definatly some guy who has been cut-out of the money for a reason that he didn't feel is right.

I sang with numerous groups, and got a different cut style from almost all of them, BUT they also had a reason for doing what they do. You can get your cut lowered for all kinds of reasons, missing roll-call, late for a song, or other stipulations drums would have a rule for.

**Kakeeya** · 02-02-2005, 05:35 PM

Yeah I agree that this is one of the worst polls yet. Almost as bad as the worst Northern Back up singer.

Mato Winyan · 02-02-2005, 07:26 PM

Aw come on guys.....tell him how you REALLY feel!

Seriously ... people are on here are pretty tired of all the negativity on here period. If you would start another thread and word it positively I bet you would really learn something.

You could ask the singers what seems like a fair cut for someone that sits in. They will be able to give you info like was mentioned here.....expenses and etc. That's so much better than the "whose the worst" etc. And who knows.. you may end up looking at things differently.

**badmaninc** · 02-03-2005, 01:48 AM

Should have a poll on who has made the worst polls. The two mentioned on this thread rank right up there. If somebody has a problem with a drum group or drum keeper why don't they go to them instead of trying to create a hatred in a sneaky chicken s*** way. If you want to hate like that at least have the jam to use your real name.

NCheyGirl21 · 02-03-2005, 09:17 PM

this is a dumb poll..somebody should just close it down..cuz thats not right talkin about other drums when you should be respectful towards all singers.

**chazziff** · 02-04-2005, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by badmaninc

Should have a poll on who has made the worst polls. The two mentioned on this thread rank right up there. If somebody has a problem with a drum group or drum keeper why don't they go to them instead of trying to create a hatred in a sneaky chicken s*** way. If you want to hate like that at least have the jam to use your real name.

for reals man...this is a stupid poll. just pissed me off when i read it the first time. i guess he could have worded better to shed some light on the subject for himself. he must have been really dissed by one (or more) of these drums - probably for a valid reason but i doubt he saw that way - money the root of all evils

**Wojapi4Me** · 02-04-2005, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by PowwowGirl18

this is a dumb poll..somebody should just close it down..cuz thats not right talkin about other drums when you should be respectful towards all singers.

As a singer, I totally agree that this is a ridiculous poll. As a moderator, I could easily close it down, but stupidity and greed aren't against the user policy. I think this poll and thread actually serve a purpose because they show others who might feel as the original poster does that there are MANY in the pow wow world that feel otherwise. Most of us who sing or those of you who just dance and are around singers know that no one ever gets rich from singing...ever!

I'm sure there are head singers out there who might not divide well, but the overwhelming majority of head singers (northern and southern) do their utmost best to take care of those who came to help them sing for the people. I've sung before where I got a few dollars and I've sung before where I got over $1000, and I viewed them both the same because, hey, I got to sing that weekend!!

NCheyGirl21 · 02-04-2005, 11:16 AM

I'm a back up singer..and i've seen alotta drums here in michigan disrespect the older groups that have been around for a long time. I sing with one the groups thats been around along time and still has alotta the same singers. I'm respectful towards everybody..as i'm both a back up singer and jingle dancer. I've seen it where people get all mad cuz they dont do good enough and get alotta money. I like singing for the fun and I love it..I dont care about the money really...infact i'm going to sing this weekend at a pow wow and I just want to enjoy it and be happy like I always am.

View Poll Results: The deepest money pockets?
Big Bear	5	10.20%
High Noon	26	53.06%
Wild Horse	4	8.16%
Northern Cree	4	8.16%
Mandaree	2	4.08%
kapootakaw? cha	3	6.12%
Battle River	5	10.20%
The Boyz	6	12.24%
Bear Creek	5	10.20%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 49. You may not vote on this poll

02-01-2005, 06:45 PM	#1 (permalink)
Slammer Tiny Tot Dancer Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 68	Who is the worst drum for short-changing? This applies to any singer who drum hops or just sings with any drum or even the committed bro style singer, basically every singer out there! Which of these following drum groups are the best at giving the least amount of money to their singers and/or pocket the money for themselves?

02-02-2005, 11:18 AM	#2 (permalink)
Wojapi4Me Kili! Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Tha Rez Posts: 1,515	What a stupid, petty poll. __________________ If pro is the opposite of con, then wouldn't progress be the opposite of...lol

02-02-2005, 11:53 AM	#4 (permalink)
chazziff YO!! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in a big sleigh bed Posts: 6,514	Another petty ignorant guy who probably doesn't have a car - to help carry some of the other singers and the drum, doesn't lead, or is continually walkin around the pow wow instead of sitting at the drum so he misses a song so he doesn't get a " full" drum cut - just a couple of reasons some singers get less than others. All he sees is the $5000 first place and there was ten singers so he should get $500 and doesn't realize the gas and other things like rooms and food to get there and the money to get to the next pow wow. Just my $0.02. __________________ See I wanna move, but can't escape from you So I keep it low, keep a secret code So everybody else don't have to know So keep ya love locked down

02-02-2005, 01:58 PM	#5 (permalink)
old_schooldancer2004 Wookie Lodge Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Turtle Island Posts: 657	Is this guy kiddin? Dang, I've seen some stupid polls in my life; but this one is special. Talk about tryin to openly hate on drum groups. __________________ Excuse me while I talk in my Native Wookie dialect language.

02-02-2005, 11:28 AM	#3 (permalink)
Kiwehnzii Oldfart Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 2,871	I agree.

02-02-2005, 05:35 PM	#7 (permalink)
Kakeeya PowWows.com Addicts Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: By a mountain on the Rez Posts: 2,553	Yeah I agree that this is one of the worst polls yet. Almost as bad as the worst Northern Back up singer.

02-02-2005, 07:26 PM	#8 (permalink)
Mato Winyan Gangster of Love Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Indiana Posts: 5,497 Blog Entries: 4	Aw come on guys.....tell him how you REALLY feel! Seriously ... people are on here are pretty tired of all the negativity on here period. If you would start another thread and word it positively I bet you would really learn something. You could ask the singers what seems like a fair cut for someone that sits in. They will be able to give you info like was mentioned here.....expenses and etc. That's so much better than the "whose the worst" etc. And who knows.. you may end up looking at things differently. __________________ "We see it as a desecration not only of a mountain but of our way of life. This is a genocidal issue to us. If they kill this mountain, they kill our way of life." ~Debra White Plume

02-03-2005, 01:48 AM	#9 (permalink)
badmaninc PowWows.com Addicts Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Saanich Tribes, B.C. Posts: 3,036	Should have a poll on who has made the worst polls. The two mentioned on this thread rank right up there. If somebody has a problem with a drum group or drum keeper why don't they go to them instead of trying to create a hatred in a sneaky chicken s*** way. If you want to hate like that at least have the jam to use your real name.

02-03-2005, 09:17 PM	#10 (permalink)
NCheyGirl21 Wife To A Marine Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Michigan Posts: 675 Blog Entries: 2	this is a dumb poll..somebody should just close it down..cuz thats not right talkin about other drums when you should be respectful towards all singers.