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United States Mint Offers Refund for Pouches That Are Not Authentic American Indian Products


WASHINGTON, D.C. - The United States Mint is offering a refund of $130 to persons who own the 2004 United States Mint Lewis and Clark Coin and Pouch Set, if the pouch was produced by the Shawnee Nation United Remnant Band of Ohio. The United States Mint has learned that neither state nor Federal authorities recognize the Shawnee Nation United Remnant Band of Ohio as an official Indian tribe. Therefore, the pouch is not an authentic American Indian arts and crafts product.

The names of the various artisans and their tribes who crafted the pouches for the United States Mint are identified in certificates of authenticity (COA) accompanying the pouch sets. Owners may ascertain whether their pouch set was crafted by the Shawnee Nation United Remnant Band of Ohio by referring to the COA.

"Americans place their trust in genuine United States Mint products that embody the American spirit," said United States Mint Director Ed Moy. "The United States Mint wants to uphold that trust, and upon learning this new information, we are offering this refund."

The United States Mint sold a limited number of the 2004 United States Mint Lewis and Clark Coin and Pouch Sets between September 7, 2004, and December 31, 2004. Each set consisted of a proof Lewis and Clark Expedition Bicentennial Silver Dollar, a handcrafted American Indian Pouch, and a COA hand-signed by the American Indian artisan who crafted it, stating the artisan's tribe and its location. The United States Mint worked with the Circle of Tribal Advisors (COTA) to identify artisans from American Indian tribes to craft each unique pouch. When it was selected to produce pouches, the Shawnee Nation United Remnant Band of Ohio was a member in good standing of COTA. However, the Shawnee Nation United Remnant Band of Ohio reportedly dropped its membership in COTA late in 2005, and COTA adjourned late in 2006 at the end of the National Lewis & Clark Bicentennial Commemoration.

The Indian Arts and Crafts Board (IACB), an agency of the U.S. Department of Interior, recently informed the United States Mint that the Shawnee Nation United Remnant Band of Ohio does not meet the legal requirements to produce and market authentic "Indian" products under the Indian Arts and Crafts Act. The Indian Arts and Crafts Act of 1990 is a truth-in-advertising law that prohibits misrepresentation in marketing of Indian arts and crafts products within the United States.

"The Indian Arts and Crafts Board applauds the prompt action taken by the United States Mint to protect consumers after we learned that certain pouches sold with coin sets were not authentic Indian products under the Indian Arts and Crafts Act," said Meridith Stanton, IACB Director.

"Through this collaboration and other coordinated activities with federal, state, and local authorities, the IACB is continuing to pursue investigations of the sale of fraudulent Indian arts and crafts across the country. Our goal is to rid the market of fraudulent Indian products while supporting the sale of authentic Indian arts and crafts. Authentic Indian arts and crafts are original American treasures and integral components of Indian economic livelihood and cultural heritage," stated Director Stanton.

Those who return the sets to the United States Mint will receive a payment of $130.00 for each set, representing the original sales price of the product ($120.00), plus $10.00 for each set to defray shipping, handling and insurance charges. The owners of the sets who want to keep the Lewis and Clark Expedition Bicentennial Silver Dollar may return the pouch, along with the COA from the Shawnee Nation United Remnant Band of Ohio, for a prorated refund of $9000, representing the prorated sales price of the pouch ($80.00), plus $10.00 for each pouch to defray shipping, handling and insurance charges.

To receive a refund, owners should send the 2004 United States Mint Lewis and Clark Coin and Pouch Sets, or pouches, along with the COAs, by insured mail or overnight delivery to United States Mint, ATTN: Indian Arts & Crafts Return, 801 9th Street, N.W., Washington, DC 20001. Inside of the shipping package be sure to include the return address and all mailing information for the refund, along with a note indicating that the item is to be directed to the Indian Arts & Crafts Return.

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2004 United States Mint Lewis and Clark Coin and Pouch Sets Containing Pouches From the Shawnee Nation United Remnant Band of Ohio

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timmy tiger

Okay, I'm a little confused here. I got into a disagreement with someone about a year ago about the URB and that they were not State recognized in the state of Ohio. It wasn't heated, but the other person was getting very offended. I checked it out with a couple of people that I know who are very involved with Indian politics in Ohio and they both sent me the law where in 1979 that the URB went to court with Congress and became a state Recognized Tribe sometime in the 1980's. I don't have access to that email account right now, but I do still have that info on that email. And I had to eat Crow---it tastes just like chicken---but I like chicken better.LOL

So, now is this saying that the URB Shawnee is NOT (not yelling--just emphasizing) a state recognized Tribe in the State of Ohio? I'm not Shawnee so I really don't have any dealings with them. But I am interested in this because of the dispute that took place a year ago.

aihsc

[QUOTE=And I had to eat Crow---it tastes just like chicken---but I like chicken better.LOL ....So, now is this saying that the URB Shawnee is NOT (not yelling--just emphasizing) a state recognized Tribe in the State of Ohio? I'm not Shawnee so I really don't have any dealings with them. But I am interested in this because of the dispute that took place a year ago.[/QUOTE]

While eating crow can be a culinary delight, eating crow in the literal sense because of something one said is not a very pleasant fate. However, you “ate crow” for no reason at all, except that you were bamboozled into thinking you were wrong when you weren’t. The people you contacted might have been very involved in politics, but sure didn’t know what they were talking about.

The “law” you were shown wasn’t a law at all, but Ohio House Joint Resolution 8 of the 113th General Assembly. It was just like any other proclamation that can be requested from a state governor or legislative body, including honoring nose pickers. Such a resolution ordinarily is an act of a special or temporary character, not prescribing a permanent rule of government, is of congratulatory nature, and does not have the force of law.

The fact that the URB was not a state recognized tribe has been out in the public for quite a few years. This includes a letter dated 22 July, 2002 from Carrie E. Glaeden, Deputy Chief Legal Counsel, State of Ohio, to the Ohio American Indian Movement Support Group which stated: "the State of Ohio does not recognize Indian Tribes in Ohio and the United Remnant Band Shawnee Nation is not a legitimate, legally recognized tribe in the State of Ohio". Meridith Stanton of the Indian Arts and Crafts Board also previously received information from Ohio that: “The State of Ohio does not have a policy, regulation, state law, or any other formalized process to recognize that certain American Indian groups exist as tribes." These are just two of numerous examples.

The URB is not the only group that pulls this false “state recognition” gambit based on mere proclamations. Other groups include a break away faction of the URB, the “East of the River Shawnee Nation“; the Piqua Shawnee of Kentucky; the Northern Cherokee Nation of the Old Louisiana Territory (claims state recognition in both Missouri and Arkansas); the Muscogee Nation of Florida; and others. It would take a lot to convince me that they don’t know exactly what they are doing.

Anyway, the word is really out now. Just have a little more confidence in yourself in the future and let the other folks eat crow instead.

kiowakat

at least it was a year and not longer, I ran into ndns and non ndns that were bamboozled for years and now they don't want to eat crow........

gedirman

PRESS RELEASE

SHAWNEE NATION, UNITED REMNANT BAND OF OHIO STRIKES BACK
Concerning the Validity of State Recognition of the Shawnee Nation, United Remnant Band of Ohio

A press release on the website of the United States Mint dated October 31st stated,

“ The United States Mint is offering a refund of $130 to persons who own the 2004 United States Mint Lewis and Clark Coin and Pouch Set, if the pouch was produced by the Shawnee Nation, United Remnant Band of Ohio. The U.S. Mint has learned that neither the state nor Federal authorities recognize the Shawnee Nation United Remnant Band of Ohio as an official Indian tribe. Therefore, the pouch is not an authentic American Indian arts and crafts product.”

Leo Jennings, spokesperson for the Ohio Attorney General’s Office mis-spoke (maliciously or not) concerning the worth of the State Recognition of the Shawnee Nation, United Remnant Band of Ohio (Joint Resolution SUB.AM. H.J.R. 8, 1980). The Attorney General’s Office claims this document has no legal bearing (is not a serious document). This recent unjustified attack falls somewhere in the general area of liable/slander/defamation of character.

According to the Ohio Legislative Service Commission, Chapter 5, titled “Enacting Legislation”, there are two categories of major documents that embody the work of the General Assembly. They are resolutions and bills. Resolutions, generally, are formal expressions of the opinions and wishes of the General Assembly and do not require the approval of the Governor. There are three types of resolutions: Joint, Concurrent and Simple. Joint Resolutions are used only to ratify proposed amendments to the U.S. Constitution, to call for a federal constitutional convention, or when required by custom or a statute. For example, proposals seeking to amend the Ohio Constitution are customarily offered as Joint Resolutions. Joint Resolutions require the approval of both Houses and after approval must be filed with the Secretary of State. How could anything be more serious than that? Unlike the other two forms of resolution (Concurrent and Simple) which amount to a commendation or congratulation for a group or event of interest to one or both of the Houses of the Legislature, the Joint Resolution is the form of resolution that carries legal merit.

Beginning in 1979, the Ohio Legislature’s Interstate Cooperation Committee held hearings to determine if the Shawnee Nation, United Remnant Band of Ohio had a good enough case for state recognition to put such resolution before the House and the Senate for a vote to adopt the joint resolution. The submission of maps, genealogy, documents, photographs, tribal rolls, etc. was part of the hearings process. Testimony supporting the case was also given by tribal members, the Ohio Historical Society, and the Legislative Review Commission. The rough draft was read in the committee hearings repeatedly, discussed, altered and finally emerged as Substitute Amended House Joint Resolution 8. Then it was voted on in the Ohio House of Representatives, which passed, and then voted on (unanimous) in the Ohio Senate and passed. It was finally adopted as a House Joint
Resolution to recognize the Shawnee Nation, United Remnant Band of Ohio as the descendents of the original historic Shawnee Nation.

The Joint Resolution to recognize the Shawnee Nation, United Remnant Band of Ohio has clearly been mis-defined as being one of the lesser forms of resolution. The Ohio Attorney General is required to know the difference between the three types of resolutions and his ignorance of legislative process has caused The Shawnee Nation, United Remnant Band serious harm. The Attorney General’s recent erroneous statements about our State Recognition have caused the United States Mint to recall small beaded pouches made by our tribal crafters for the Lewis & Clark Commemorative Coins and Pouch Set and has served to defame and humiliate our good people.

The U.S. Mint is not without responsibility in this matter. They did not even speak to us before making erroneous statements and acting in such a damaging and irresponsible manner. As a side note of interest, recognition of any kind (state or federal) was NOT REQUIRED as per the contract the U.S. Mint signed with the Lewis and Clark Circle of Tribal Advisors of which The Shawnee Nation, United Remnant Band was a member at the time. Does anyone yet read their own laws and legal contracts before they act to do harm to anyone?

The Indian Arts and Crafts Board is part of the Department of the Interior. The Department of the Interior was the primary U.S. Governmental entity that interfaced with the whole Lewis & Clark effort and was fully supportive of the Circle of Tribal Advisors (which at that time the Shawnee Nation, United Remnant Band was a member and in good standing) and their actions.

The Bureau of Indian Affairs is also part of the Department of the Interior and has been fully aware of our State recognition and did so acknowledge in a letter to U.S. Congressman Tony Hall. The letter is dated May 16, 1986 and states, “We did receive on March 25th, 1980 a copy of the resolution granting state recognition for the group. We acknowledged our receipt of the state’s resolution on April 4th, 1980.” Copies are available upon request from the Shawnee Nation, United Remnant Band.

Governor Richard F. Celeste (governor at that time), in a letter to the Shawnee Nation, United Remnant Band stated “on behalf of the citizens of the state of Ohio, I would like to congratulate you on the occasion of the third anniversary of official state recognition of your tribe as the Shawnee Nation”. This letter is dated January 29, 1984; copies are available upon request from the Shawnee Nation, United Remnant Band.

The erroneous statements of the Ohio Attorney General’s Office, the United States Mint and the Indian Arts and Crafts Board feels to us like a joint effort to slander and defame the Shawnee Nation, United Remnant Band. We wonder how much this may have to do with Ohio’s fear that the Oklahoma Shawnee will manage to establish a casino in Ohio, or perhaps our ability to use past treaty deficiencies to bring action against the state legally. We have no such present intention nor do we desire to support like action.

However, we are seriously considering legal remedy to the irreparable harm done to our good name and reputation. At the very least, on behalf of the people of the Shawnee Nation, United Remnant Band, I demand a complete retraction of the lies stated and also demand an apology in the media from the Ohio Attorney General’s Office, from the United States Mint, and from the Indian Arts and Crafts Board.

Chief Hawk Pope, Principal Chief
Shawnee Nation, United Remnant Band of Ohio

gedirman

PRESS RELEASE

SHAWNEE NATION, UNITED REMNANT BAND OF OHIO STRIKES BACK
Concerning the Validity of State Recognition of the Shawnee Nation, United Remnant Band of Ohio

A press release on the website of the United States Mint dated October 31st stated,

“ The United States Mint is offering a refund of $130 to persons who own the 2004 United States Mint Lewis and Clark Coin and Pouch Set, if the pouch was produced by the Shawnee Nation, United Remnant Band of Ohio. The U.S. Mint has learned that neither the state nor Federal authorities recognize the Shawnee Nation United Remnant Band of Ohio as an official Indian tribe. Therefore, the pouch is not an authentic American Indian arts and crafts product.”

Leo Jennings, spokesperson for the Ohio Attorney General’s Office mis-spoke (maliciously or not) concerning the worth of the State Recognition of the Shawnee Nation, United Remnant Band of Ohio (Joint Resolution SUB.AM. H.J.R. 8, 1980). The Attorney General’s Office claims this document has no legal bearing (is not a serious document). This recent unjustified attack falls somewhere in the general area of liable/slander/defamation of character.

According to the Ohio Legislative Service Commission, Chapter 5, titled “Enacting Legislation”, there are two categories of major documents that embody the work of the General Assembly. They are resolutions and bills. Resolutions, generally, are formal expressions of the opinions and wishes of the General Assembly and do not require the approval of the Governor. There are three types of resolutions: Joint, Concurrent and Simple. Joint Resolutions are used only to ratify proposed amendments to the U.S. Constitution, to call for a federal constitutional convention, or when required by custom or a statute. For example, proposals seeking to amend the Ohio Constitution are customarily offered as Joint Resolutions. Joint Resolutions require the approval of both Houses and after approval must be filed with the Secretary of State. How could anything be more serious than that? Unlike the other two forms of resolution (Concurrent and Simple) which amount to a commendation or congratulation for a group or event of interest to one or both of the Houses of the Legislature, the Joint Resolution is the form of resolution that carries legal merit.

Beginning in 1979, the Ohio Legislature’s Interstate Cooperation Committee held hearings to determine if the Shawnee Nation, United Remnant Band of Ohio had a good enough case for state recognition to put such resolution before the House and the Senate for a vote to adopt the joint resolution. The submission of maps, genealogy, documents, photographs, tribal rolls, etc. was part of the hearings process. Testimony supporting the case was also given by tribal members, the Ohio Historical Society, and the Legislative Review Commission. The rough draft was read in the committee hearings repeatedly, discussed, altered and finally emerged as Substitute Amended House Joint Resolution 8. Then it was voted on in the Ohio House of Representatives, which passed, and then voted on (unanimous) in the Ohio Senate and passed. It was finally adopted as a House Joint
Resolution to recognize the Shawnee Nation, United Remnant Band of Ohio as the descendents of the original historic Shawnee Nation.

The Joint Resolution to recognize the Shawnee Nation, United Remnant Band of Ohio has clearly been mis-defined as being one of the lesser forms of resolution. The Ohio Attorney General is required to know the difference between the three types of resolutions and his ignorance of legislative process has caused The Shawnee Nation, United Remnant Band serious harm. The Attorney General’s recent erroneous statements about our State Recognition have caused the United States Mint to recall small beaded pouches made by our tribal crafters for the Lewis & Clark Commemorative Coins and Pouch Set and has served to defame and humiliate our good people.

The U.S. Mint is not without responsibility in this matter. They did not even speak to us before making erroneous statements and acting in such a damaging and irresponsible manner. As a side note of interest, recognition of any kind (state or federal) was NOT REQUIRED as per the contract the U.S. Mint signed with the Lewis and Clark Circle of Tribal Advisors of which The Shawnee Nation, United Remnant Band was a member at the time. Does anyone yet read their own laws and legal contracts before they act to do harm to anyone?

The Indian Arts and Crafts Board is part of the Department of the Interior. The Department of the Interior was the primary U.S. Governmental entity that interfaced with the whole Lewis & Clark effort and was fully supportive of the Circle of Tribal Advisors (which at that time the Shawnee Nation, United Remnant Band was a member and in good standing) and their actions.

The Bureau of Indian Affairs is also part of the Department of the Interior and has been fully aware of our State recognition and did so acknowledge in a letter to U.S. Congressman Tony Hall. The letter is dated May 16, 1986 and states, “We did receive on March 25th, 1980 a copy of the resolution granting state recognition for the group. We acknowledged our receipt of the state’s resolution on April 4th, 1980.” Copies are available upon request from the Shawnee Nation, United Remnant Band.

Governor Richard F. Celeste (governor at that time), in a letter to the Shawnee Nation, United Remnant Band stated “on behalf of the citizens of the state of Ohio, I would like to congratulate you on the occasion of the third anniversary of official state recognition of your tribe as the Shawnee Nation”. This letter is dated January 29, 1984; copies are available upon request from the Shawnee Nation, United Remnant Band.

The erroneous statements of the Ohio Attorney General’s Office, the United States Mint and the Indian Arts and Crafts Board feels to us like a joint effort to slander and defame the Shawnee Nation, United Remnant Band. We wonder how much this may have to do with Ohio’s fear that the Oklahoma Shawnee will manage to establish a casino in Ohio, or perhaps our ability to use past treaty deficiencies to bring action against the state legally. We have no such present intention nor do we desire to support like action.

However, we are seriously considering legal remedy to the irreparable harm done to our good name and reputation. At the very least, on behalf of the people of the Shawnee Nation, United Remnant Band, I demand a complete retraction of the lies stated and also demand an apology in the media from the Ohio Attorney General’s Office, from the United States Mint, and from the Indian Arts and Crafts Board.

Chief Hawk Pope, Principal Chief
Shawnee Nation, United Remnant Band of Ohio

timmy tiger

AIHSC--Thank you for the info. One of the person's who sent me that record did say that "to what extent" was not known and they went on to say that it may be just a "formality" in this case. I do know members of the other groups that you mentioned and I had talked to one a couple of weeks ago who did fill me in on a few things--we shared knowledge--if you will. But thanks for the info, it really does help. I know of quit a few that Claim to be state as well, this is the one that really threw me, only because of that one thing. Thanks again for your help.

KK--yeah, it could have been worse. I had never heard of them until just a few years ago and I've been around for a while. I had to ask who they were and all of that.LOL

CHEROSAGE

While we're talking about these Shawnees real or not, I'm looking for a couple of NDN family names from the Ohio area. Has anyone ever heard of the Manspeaker and Hixon families? Just taking an oppertunity. Thanks.

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timmy tiger

I know alot of the Indian community in Ohio (and a couple of other states), PM me with the info that you are looking for and I will see what I can find for you. If you would like.

TKMJ Productions

I sure would like to get a copy of SUB.AM. H.J.R. 8, 1980 to read it for myself to see what it actually says. It sounds like the state is trying to double talk itself. A typical "WHITE MAN" tactic.

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OHIO HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

A RESOLUTION

Am. Sub. H. J. R. No. 8

MESSRS. McLIN – CHRISTMAN – SAXBE

To recognize the Shawnee Nation United Remnant Band

BE IT RESOLVED BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE STATE OF OHIO:

WHEREAS, The members of the 113th General Assembly of Ohio learned of the growth and progress of the Shawnee Nation United Remnant Band and take this opportunity to recognize these descendants of the first Americans; and

WHEREAS, The Kispoko Band was the first of the Shawnee Nation to come to what is now Ohio around 1200 A. D. Here, they met the Talegwa who became a band of the Shawnee and who taught the Kispoko earth work and farming. By 1600, all five bands of the Shawnee Nation were together throughout Ohio and Kentucky; and

WHEREAS, The Shawnee society was well organized not only in the governmental structure, but in the daily lives of the people. Representative government, consisting of village, band, and nation councils, served all Shawnee with equal representations of men and women who considered all major decisions affecting the Nation. In addition, the Shawnee lived in three-generation families where reverence for the elders and responsibility were instilled in each child, and although the Shawnee lived in large family units they still retained their individualism and privacy; and

WHEREAS, Today, the Shawnee Nation, United Remnant Band consists of over six hundred fifty descendants of these earliest Ohio settlers, including full-blooded Shawnee. Led by Tukemas, principal chief, the members are helping preserve the past so future generations may learn their proud heritage and the determined individuals who were among the first to settle in Ohio; therefore be it

RESOLVED, That we, the members of the 113th General Assembly, in adopting this Resolution, commend the Shawnee Nation and salute its people as among the first Ohio citizens; and be it further

RESOLVED, That the Legislative Clerk of the House of Representatives transmit duly authenticated copies of this Resolution to the President of the United States, the members of the Ohio Congressional delegation, the Bureau of Indian Affairs, Chief Tukemas, the Dayton Daily News, the Dayton Journal Herald, the Xenia Daily Gazette, and the Fairborn Daily Herald.

ADOPTED
January 29, 1980

Attest:

SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, VERNAL G. RIFFE, JR.

STATE REPRESENTATIVE, C. J. McLIN, JR.

LEGISLATIVE CLERK, RICHARD C. MURRAY

Affixed stamps, seals, and signatures on the original document.
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The Shawnee Nation, United Remnant Band is in possession of many supporting documents that speak to the LEGAL INTENT of AM. Sub. H. J. R. No. 8. In Ohio, a JOINT RESOLUTION is used to amend the Ohio Constitution and “require the approval of BOTH houses and after approval must be filed with the Secretary of State.” (A Guidebook for Ohio Legislators, Chapter “Enacting Legislation”, Ohio Legislative Service Commission, Tenth Edition, 2007-2008)

Item 1.Letter from Congressman Tony P. Hall, Congress of the
United States, House of Representatives – dated Aug.
31, 1979

“I am pleased to learn that the resolution has passed
the Ohio House…”

Item 2. Charles J. Curran, State Senator, Ohio Senate –
dated Deb. 26, 1980

Letter to: The Honorable Tony P. Hall

“I am responding to your question about the status of
H. J. R. No. 8 (recognition of the Shawnee Nation
United Remnant Band).

The bill passed the Senate on January 29 and has
been adopted.”

Item 3. Letter from Governor Richard F. Celeste, State of
Ohio, Office of the Governor - dated Jan. 29, 1984

“On behalf of the citizens of the State of Ohio, I
would like to congratulate you on the occasion of the
third anniversary of official State recognition of your
tribe as the Shawnee Nation.

The Shawnee Nation has a proud and rich tradition
which has combined the ideals of personal integrity
and community loyalty. The anniversary of the State
recognition of the Shawnee Nation is an occasion on
which to honor your unique cultural heritage which
has contributed so much to the State of Ohio and our
nation.

Again, let me extend my congratulations and send my
best wishes for continued happiness and prosperity in
the years to come.”



Item 4. Letter from Hazel E. Elbert (Deputy to the Assistant
Secretary – Indian Affairs, United States Department
of the Interior, Bureau of Indian Affairs – dated May
16, 1986

To: Honorable Tony P. Hall, House of Representatives

“This is in response to your inquiry … regarding state
recognition for the Shawnee Nation United Remnant
Band. We did receive on March 25, 1980 a copy of
the resolution granting state recognition for the
group. We acknowledged our receipt of the State’s
resolution on April 4, 1980”

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According to legal council, in the State of Ohio legality is established by the intent and action taken, not just the wording of the legislation. The INTENT of Am. Sub. HJR No.8 was to fully recognize the Shawnee Nation, United Remnant Band as a STATE RECOGNIZED TRIBE in OHIO. It was acted upon by announcement in prominent newspapers in the region of Ohio where the Tribe was located. It was submitted to the Secretary of the State, the President of the United States, the BIA, etc. It has been acknowledged by legislators throughout the last 27 years.

OgamaWab10

Shawnee are Anishinabe (Anishnawbe) as in the old term Lenni Lenape. Shawnee the origin of the Shawnee as an Algonquian people. Anishnawbe people are --> Ojibways, Ojibwa, Ojibwe, Ojicree, Cree, Chippewa, Potawatomi and Algonquin, etc. and we speak the Anishnawbe language. Lenni Lenape is another way to say Anishnawbe in the old way.

anishaa + naabe = Anishinabe
Anishaa means ‘for nothing, without purpose.’
Naabe means ‘male.’ Naabe is also a masculinizing prefix added to nouns, verbs and particles in Ojibwe. Anishnawbe –Meaning of this word, First people, Original people, whence lowered the male of the species, first man, man of clay. old teaching from the elders.

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eap7

I think what you're saying here is that Lenni Lenape means basically "real people" just like Anishinaabe does. But I am Lenni Lenape and we are not part of the Anishinaabe people. We are all Algonkian people but separate tribes and from what I understand, the Anishinaabe are people of the 3 flames- Ojibwe, Potawatomi, Odawa/Ottawa. Not Lenape. I don't know about Shawnee.

OgamaWab10

Algonkian people once called them selves Anishnawbe, way before the settlers arived that is now known as north America. Word from the Elders from Ontario to Quebec to Minnesota to Wi, Ny.

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M'Noukawme

I would gladly discuss the interrelatedness of the original peoples of this continent with you but the URGENT notice of this thread is the lack of acknowledgement of my Tribal people by the state officials in Ohio. Even tho, we have documented proof of their granting State Recognition in 1980 by JOINT action of both houses of the legislature, current office holders are IGNORANT of state law and past state actions. This has jeopardized not only the legal standing of the Tribe as a whole but the artists that participated in the Lewis and Clark, US Mint project.

Do not for a minute believe that this cannot happen to you! Whether you are a member of a state-recognized tribe or a federal-recognized tribe, if THEY decide to invalidate you, what choice do you have? Have you forgotten TERMINATION of TRIBES??? There are many tribes today who are removing people from their rolls because they do not meet the rules of blood quantum set by their tribe (either a new rule or an old one that is being enforced to lower the roll numbers). How are you supposed to look your kids in the eye and deny them their heritage that they have grown up with? I am a Shawnee and have been so since I was born in 1963. I did not become Shawnee in 1980 when the Ohio legislature adopted their resolution.