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Samson Blinded: A Machiavellian Perspective in the Middle East Conflict also scored high in all categories it was nominated. Google earlier banned advertising of that blog for unacceptable content.

Samson Blinded's author advocates religious state of Judea at the border with Israel and expulsion of Arabs. Obadiah Shoher denies democracy dominated by liberals and Muslims and calls Israelis to oppose police efforts at removing the settlements. His other point is dismanlting economically unbearable Israeli army and relying on nuclear weapons. However, he decried Lebanese and Iraq invasions.

Public opinion seems to strongly shift the the right in Middle East issues. Any thoughts on that?

they_drag_him

No thoughts but since Muslims are killing our native American soldiers, what would happen if we soiled Mecca with a non-toxic contaminant?

between2worlds

I have several thoughts - none of them printable.

Since the middle east is such a bone of contention why don't we just blow up EVERYONE's religious relics that are in the area... mingle the dust and build a huge monument to the "My way is the right way" religious movements and place it in the middle of a generously fenced off area. Just inside the fence are every weapon you could want and anyone who wants to fight about it is welcome in that circle.

All people who want to live peaceably are free to live (and let live) outside the enclosure.

As for they drag him's idea - that would work as long as it was sumpin' like rendered pork fat.

they_drag_him

I'm pretty sure that this may happen one day. If the Muslims would only change their way of thinking about Infidels, then maybe things would get better. Because this Infidel wouldn't mind sharing the world with non-Infidels but when they want us dead or converted, we've got to fight back.

SuzzeQ4

is the muslim way of thinking about infidels all that different from the christian view of non-christians or what they did here?
Don't say that christians don't take this same stance because a minority of them do & have blown up those that didn't agree.
would the few (not the majority) of muslims who are blowin up are soldiers be doing so if the government hadn't decided our soldiers should go ther to fight that minority of muslims that are fighting the soldiers?
if Isreal had claimed our sacred land would we not have fought back as they do?
Before we critisize remeber not to group the whole in with a group of radical minorities, not forget to look at the whole of the history that resulted in whats happening now & most importantly look at the situation carefully for similarities in our own history & then you may see better where a person is coming from
Suzze

alamosaurus

The problem with the situation in the Middle East is that BOTH
Jews and Arabs have historical roots in the area. Genetic
studies have shown that Jews are most closely related to
Kurds another Semitic people. (Semitic is the name of a
language family and does not specifically refer to Jews). What
most arabs will not acknowledge, however, is that there IS
already one Palestinian state...Jordan. After being seized from
the Turks at the end of World War I, Palestine became a
British Protectorate for a while. Then, after World War II, it
was split up again--Jordan for the Moslem arabs, Isreal for the
Jews, Lebanon for the Christians who are largely descendants
of the ancient Phoenecians. The problem is that the Moslem
arabs want ALL of it, and they want the Jews and Christians
now living there either to convert to Islam, leave or die.....
All of this is very sad and ironic because in prehistoric times
two very different types of humans--so different in fact that
they are considered different species, not merely different
races--once shared the area and got along just fine....the
Neanderthals from the caves of Tabun, Amud, and Kebara, and
the more modern looking people from Skhul and Jebel Kafzeh.

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Wakalapi

Judaism believes it was offered a covenant because of the faith of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Israel).

Christianity believes God revoked the covenant with the Jews because of their sinfulness.

Islam believes that it was not Isaac, but his brother Ishmael, that God favored. Therefor, Isaac's son Jacob was not given a covenant establishing a "promised land".

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We cannot expect these people to put their religions aside and look at it in a secular way. Period. It's just going to be wars and wars until somebody wins. So just shut off your international news and find a good sitcom.

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SuzzeQ4

Good Point.
It's not our religious war, yet we so easily get caught up in it.
Suzze

subeeds

When we get the oil monkey off of our collective backs, our government won't send our young men and women over there to die.

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Gache

Even if you read the bible wakalapi God gave Ishmael a much bigger territory than he gave Isaac. He also said Ishmaels descendents could not be counted. Either way its two tribal groups that belong there in the middle east and both are indigenous. It would be nice if everyone went back to their indigenous territory lol. Oh im a dreamer.

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Chevy_truckin_NDN

HMMM...I was wondering if we should hook them up like the US government did for us and start a commodity food program. Non-toxic to the environment, but hell on every native person's body...hence the term "commod bods". If the government's generiosity to indians can kill us off with the use of grease, preservatives, canned meat with salt.....Just THINK what it could do in the middle east. They are brown skinned people with thier own diets....Let's introduce them to commodities...

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NorthofAda

Actually, God didn't revoke His covenant with Israel.

OLD TESTAMENT
2 SAMUEL: "Now then, tell my servant David, 'This is what the LORD Almighty says: "The LORD declares to you that the LORD himself will establish a house for you: Your house and your kingdom will endure forever before me. Your throne will be established forever."

NEW TESTAMENT (Church Age)
Romans 11
The Remnant of Israel
1 I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. 2God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew.

All Israel Will Be Saved
25I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. 26And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:
"The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27And this is[f] my covenant with them
when I take away their sins."

Israel’s full and final recovery has surely been implied in the preceding verses, but lest there be any doubt that God is going to restore Israel to a place of prominence and blessing in fulfillment of His covenants with the patriarchs, the final recovery of Israel is clearly established in verses 25-32. “For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery, lest you be wise in your own estimation, that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fulness of the Gentiles has come in” (Romans 11:25). The fulness of the Gentiles refers to that time when the day of the Gentiles ends and the restoration of Israel begins.

Israel’s future is as certain as the reliability of God, and His promises are irrevocable. There is no greater security than this!

Kind of long post, kind of preachy, but I had to get a detailed Christian perspective out there!

Wakalapi

I didn't say God revoked his covenant. I said Christianity believes God revoked it -- big difference -- because the majority of Christians over the long haul of history have believed Replacement Theology. This is why "Messianic Judaism" and certain other pro-Israel Christian churches are trying so hard to correct the situation.

Gache (nice to hear from ya btw): the point is Isaac and Ishmael were brothers. So yes, it would actually be kinda hard for one to be indigenous to the area and not the other, ennit? And the term "promised land" usually refers to the area that was given to Israel as part of a specific covenant, which some of the Ultra-Ultra-Ultra-Orthodox believe is valid only when all Jews keep the Sabbath. Certain Orthodox Rabbi's do not recognize the State of Israel but view it as a modern invention of mortal man; and hold that the Nation of Israel will be restored only by God's direct divine intervention at such time all Jews finally keep the Sabbath together. Just a point of trivia I guess.

Speaking of Replacement Theology, some Christians believe that the "promised land" now refers to going to Heaven when you die and "Israel" no longer refers to Jews but to those who have accepted Jesus as their personal lord and savior (as bible-thumpers like to parrot) and any and all promises from the "Old Testament times" have been replaced with the Cross.

I have a neighbor who says he belongs to the Vampire Church, is a Soul Weaver and a High Priest. Maybe we should sen