Palin's Experience...or lack of!

Paul G · 09-03-2008, 08:25 PM

I've been amazed from the beginning that McCain would risk his race for president by selecting the former Mayor of Wasilla.

Whether or not she'll do a good job as the VP is unknown.

The job of President and Vice President take more than just experience. You need to have character, sound judgment, political savvy, integrity, among other things. Experience is just 1 factor for me.

But since the Republicans have made a major issue of Barack's lack of experience it is only fair for Palin to be held to the same standard.

The Republicans response about her experience is explained by Newt here:

And here is Campbell Brown asking the Republicans about it:

For me you can't equate being Mayor of a town of 8,000 people and being Governor of the 47th most populated state to being a Senator.

Yes being Mayor is "Executive" experience. But look around your state, do you want some of those people being VP? I know that thought makes me shiver!

Dealing with issues in the Senate is a little tougher than working out the sanitation collection for 8,000 people!

**Joe G** · 09-03-2008, 08:42 PM

Well, yes there is a risk with one with limited experience. But it's not like Obama has much either, which explains his selection of Biden. But for one whose mantra is 'change' Biden is the prototypical insider. Governors have proven to be great (Reagan, Clinton) or not so great (Carter) presidents so you never know. But she's the VP, not the top of the ticket, so how one sees these choices seems to go along party lines. But ask yourself this, when was the last time any candidate was married to a working class, union member? It's also noteworthy that we have two lawyers running together, and zero lawyers on the other side. Since nearly all congress people and nearly all candidates were/are lawyers (Obama/Ms. Obama/Hillary/Edwards/etc) maybe non lawyers should have a shot! She has a lot to learn, but in reality, nobody is ready to be president, or vp, until they get there.

Paul G · 09-03-2008, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe G

Well, yes there is a risk with one with limited experience. But it's not like Obama has much either, which explains his selection of Biden. But for one whose mantra is 'change' Biden is the prototypical insider. Governors have proven to be great (Reagan, Clinton) or not so great (Carter) presidents so you never know. But she's the VP, not the top of the ticket, so how one sees these choices seems to go along party lines. But ask yourself this, when was the last time any candidate was married to a working class, union member? It's also noteworthy that we have two lawyers running together, and zero lawyers on the other side. Since nearly all congress people and nearly all candidates were/are lawyers (Obama/Ms. Obama/Hillary/Edwards/etc) maybe non lawyers should have a shot! She has a lot to learn, but in reality, nobody is ready to be president, or vp, until they get there.

I'm not saying she isn't a good pick. I just don't think equating her experience to a Senators is fair.

Like I said, experience isn't the only thing thing people need.

Lots of Presidents have had a lack of experience I don't have a problem with that.

But the Republicans saying that being Mayor is executive experience and thus more than Obama bothers me.

And for the record I think Biden is a terrible pick for VP, but that's another discussion.

**Josiah** · 09-03-2008, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe G

Well, yes there is a risk with one with limited experience. But it's not like Obama has much either, which explains his selection of Biden. But for one whose mantra is 'change' Biden is the prototypical insider. Governors have proven to be great (Reagan, Clinton) or not so great (Carter) presidents so you never know. But she's the VP, not the top of the ticket, so how one sees these choices seems to go along party lines. But ask yourself this, when was the last time any candidate was married to a working class, union member? It's also noteworthy that we have two lawyers running together, and zero lawyers on the other side. Since nearly all congress people and nearly all candidates were/are lawyers (Obama/Ms. Obama/Hillary/Edwards/etc) maybe non lawyers should have a shot! She has a lot to learn, but in reality, nobody is ready to be president, or vp, until they get there.

I applaud the choice
Yes it was political, Duh this is politics
LOL

**NorthofAda** · 09-04-2008, 12:12 AM

I just heard her speech at the RNC tonight - and I think she blew both Obama and Biden off the stage.

yuchgeha · 09-04-2008, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by NorthofAda

I just heard her speech at the RNC tonight - and I think she blew both Obama and Biden off the stage.

I would have to agree with you. I consider my self a "conservative" democrat and she earned my vote tonight.

Nezbah · 09-04-2008, 10:07 AM

yup, I have to agree with most.... no one can be 'experienced' at President or VP.... but after her speech last night, she has my vote too. Just because we don't really 'know' her or much of her past, doesn't mean that she can't do the job. As we all know, the next 2 months, I am sure people, especially the media, will nitpik, pry, and pull as much information on her as possible to downgrade her. Especially being a woman, and I am sure Hillary felt the same heat, there are people out there that don't want a woman in the presidential or even VP seats, just because of her sex. Personally, I would love to see a woman succeed but we'll just have to see. But I guess we'll see how the next 2 months unfold. I guess McCain and Palin are suppose to come here this Saturday, I would love to go hear what she has too say, but darn it, I will be at Navajo Nation Fair instead...:D.

Blackbear · 09-05-2008, 04:22 AM

She was'nt just the mayor, she has been Govenor of Alaska for two years.. she's tenacious,smart and likeable.. and experience or not, presidents always have advisors so it's not like they do the job alone.... but then everyone is like expecting Mc Cain to like drop dead two days after he hits the presidency seat or something.. IF he wins... I don't like either candidate but I like Palin.

outershell · 09-07-2008, 10:49 AM

choosing Palin was a very calculated move, i will give the the Repub's that.
but its not really that historic. anyone remember Geraldine Ferraro?
I was curious about her and it did make me realize how little I know about politics in Alaska.
the native Alaskans on here may be able to give some insight to how well she governs. I would be interested to know more about her record of dealing with Alaskan tribes
but this is what i have found out about her so far:
- she does not believe in contracpetion and a woman's right to choose.
- she does not believe in the separation of church and state.
- she does not believe in equal rights for gays.
- she does not believe in global warming.
- she does not believe in dinosaurs...

... and so far that's enough to convince me NOT to vote for her.
but look into it and make up your own mind.

source: Top Ten Most Disturbing Facts and Impressions of Sarah Palin | Election 2008 | AlterNet

Smokin' Ace · 09-07-2008, 11:05 PM

I was not sold on either candidate...until I saw Obama's historic speech...he won me over. When he spoke of coming from a home of a single mom and she worked and sometimes went on food stamps, but still was able to help her son get to Harvard...that is me...I can relate. I am a single mom - he is more like me than McCain will ever be.

Then watching McCain's announcement leak 15 minutes after this speech - it totally diluted the momentum that Obama had earned...I give the Repub party that..the move totally abolished the splash that was surely to come from the speech...so I listened and I learned about Palin. I read about her, read about her history, watched her speech. She didn't grab me - I tried. I realllly tried. The only thing that I most certainly didn't like was watching her give the exact same speech for 2 days in a row...after hearing how articulate and well spoken she was, it was disappointing to hear her recite, word for word, the exact same speech 2 days in a row...the 2nd day, when she mentioned that she wanted to thank Geraldine Ferraro and Hillary Clinton again, she was booed...my take is that people were saying "say something original - Miss Woman of change!!!"

I don't agree with all the slamming that has occurred, but it is not different from every other candidate that has been raked across the coals...I was a little insulted that it was almost expected that because she was a woman, that we were all gonna just bow down and vote for her. That assumption minimizes the woman's vote. We all still want the best for our country...and I just can't take any more of what we have experienced these last 8 years...

But one thing for sure...by McCain's choice...it has truly divided America. If you vote for Obama, you will be labeled a sexist. If you vote McCain, you will be called a racist.

Should be an interesting race, to say the least, and if you think it was historic before, you ain't seen nothing yet.

Jingling_In_Stars · 09-08-2008, 01:43 AM

All I have to say is that. . . .

I'm in the military, and I pray that McCain and Palin don't win. For my family and my sake. . . I only get one vote. . and it won't be for them!

Blackbear · 09-08-2008, 05:30 AM

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I'm not saying she isn't a good pick. I just don't think equating her experience to a Senators is fair.

Why compare their experience at all.. he's running for Prez not her... she's riding on as VP for someone running for prez..... the two that should be compared for experience is the two running for prez right?

Mickey Mouse for Prez!

09-03-2008, 08:25 PM	#1 (permalink)
Paul G Webmaster Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Lexington, SC Posts: 14,248 Blog Entries: 1	Palin's Experience...or lack of! I've been amazed from the beginning that McCain would risk his race for president by selecting the former Mayor of Wasilla. Whether or not she'll do a good job as the VP is unknown. The job of President and Vice President take more than just experience. You need to have character, sound judgment, political savvy, integrity, among other things. Experience is just 1 factor for me. But since the Republicans have made a major issue of Barack's lack of experience it is only fair for Palin to be held to the same standard. The Republicans response about her experience is explained by Newt here: And here is Campbell Brown asking the Republicans about it: For me you can't equate being Mayor of a town of 8,000 people and being Governor of the 47th most populated state to being a Senator. Yes being Mayor is "Executive" experience. But look around your state, do you want some of those people being VP? I know that thought makes me shiver! Dealing with issues in the Senate is a little tougher than working out the sanitation collection for 8,000 people! __________________ New to the site--Introduce Yourself Need Help--FAQ--Search Feedback--Post your suggestions MyTribalSpace.com \| NativeGatherings.com \| PowWows.com Podcast \| Indigitunes.com NativeSeek.com \| Pow Wow TV \| Pow Wow Radio \| NativeMusicSource.com Radio \| NDN411.com \| eSnag Online Dating

09-04-2008, 12:12 AM	#5 (permalink)
NorthofAda Indian Summer never ends Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Too Far North... Posts: 2,966 Blog Entries: 4	I just heard her speech at the RNC tonight - and I think she blew both Obama and Biden off the stage. __________________ "Unconquered, unconquerable!"

09-04-2008, 10:07 AM	#7 (permalink)
Nezbah Peace n Mutton Grease Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Ober here in NM Posts: 876	yup, I have to agree with most.... no one can be 'experienced' at President or VP.... but after her speech last night, she has my vote too. Just because we don't really 'know' her or much of her past, doesn't mean that she can't do the job. As we all know, the next 2 months, I am sure people, especially the media, will nitpik, pry, and pull as much information on her as possible to downgrade her. Especially being a woman, and I am sure Hillary felt the same heat, there are people out there that don't want a woman in the presidential or even VP seats, just because of her sex. Personally, I would love to see a woman succeed but we'll just have to see. But I guess we'll see how the next 2 months unfold. I guess McCain and Palin are suppose to come here this Saturday, I would love to go hear what she has too say, but darn it, I will be at Navajo Nation Fair instead...:D. __________________ You have crossed my path, you have touched my heart, you are my friend, You will never be forgotten......

09-05-2008, 04:22 AM	#8 (permalink)
Blackbear Space Cowboy Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Alaska Posts: 9,621	She was'nt just the mayor, she has been Govenor of Alaska for two years.. she's tenacious,smart and likeable.. and experience or not, presidents always have advisors so it's not like they do the job alone.... but then everyone is like expecting Mc Cain to like drop dead two days after he hits the presidency seat or something.. IF he wins... I don't like either candidate but I like Palin. __________________ Don't worry that it's not good enough for anyone else to hear... just sing, sing a song.

09-07-2008, 10:49 AM	#9 (permalink)
outershell far from home Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: out in the sun Posts: 190 Blog Entries: 9	choosing Palin was a very calculated move, i will give the the Repub's that. but its not really that historic. anyone remember Geraldine Ferraro? I was curious about her and it did make me realize how little I know about politics in Alaska. the native Alaskans on here may be able to give some insight to how well she governs. I would be interested to know more about her record of dealing with Alaskan tribes but this is what i have found out about her so far: - she does not believe in contracpetion and a woman's right to choose. - she does not believe in the separation of church and state. - she does not believe in equal rights for gays. - she does not believe in global warming. - she does not believe in dinosaurs... ... and so far that's enough to convince me NOT to vote for her. but look into it and make up your own mind. source: Top Ten Most Disturbing Facts and Impressions of Sarah Palin \| Election 2008 \| AlterNet __________________ ^ this post brought to you by the miracle of caffeine Last edited by outershell; 09-07-2008 at 10:50 AM. Reason: spelling

09-03-2008, 08:42 PM	#2 (permalink)
Joe G ~the REAL me~ Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Michigan Posts: 8,951	Well, yes there is a risk with one with limited experience. But it's not like Obama has much either, which explains his selection of Biden. But for one whose mantra is 'change' Biden is the prototypical insider. Governors have proven to be great (Reagan, Clinton) or not so great (Carter) presidents so you never know. But she's the VP, not the top of the ticket, so how one sees these choices seems to go along party lines. But ask yourself this, when was the last time any candidate was married to a working class, union member? It's also noteworthy that we have two lawyers running together, and zero lawyers on the other side. Since nearly all congress people and nearly all candidates were/are lawyers (Obama/Ms. Obama/Hillary/Edwards/etc) maybe non lawyers should have a shot! She has a lot to learn, but in reality, nobody is ready to be president, or vp, until they get there.

09-07-2008, 11:05 PM	#10 (permalink)
Smokin' Ace Arena Director Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: United States Posts: 4,111	I was not sold on either candidate...until I saw Obama's historic speech...he won me over. When he spoke of coming from a home of a single mom and she worked and sometimes went on food stamps, but still was able to help her son get to Harvard...that is me...I can relate. I am a single mom - he is more like me than McCain will ever be. Then watching McCain's announcement leak 15 minutes after this speech - it totally diluted the momentum that Obama had earned...I give the Repub party that..the move totally abolished the splash that was surely to come from the speech...so I listened and I learned about Palin. I read about her, read about her history, watched her speech. She didn't grab me - I tried. I realllly tried. The only thing that I most certainly didn't like was watching her give the exact same speech for 2 days in a row...after hearing how articulate and well spoken she was, it was disappointing to hear her recite, word for word, the exact same speech 2 days in a row...the 2nd day, when she mentioned that she wanted to thank Geraldine Ferraro and Hillary Clinton again, she was booed...my take is that people were saying "say something original - Miss Woman of change!!!" I don't agree with all the slamming that has occurred, but it is not different from every other candidate that has been raked across the coals...I was a little insulted that it was almost expected that because she was a woman, that we were all gonna just bow down and vote for her. That assumption minimizes the woman's vote. We all still want the best for our country...and I just can't take any more of what we have experienced these last 8 years... But one thing for sure...by McCain's choice...it has truly divided America. If you vote for Obama, you will be labeled a sexist. If you vote McCain, you will be called a racist. Should be an interesting race, to say the least, and if you think it was historic before, you ain't seen nothing yet. __________________ Everything is gonna be alright! Be blessed - got love??? This b me..... www.myspace.com/akayo

09-08-2008, 01:43 AM	#11 (permalink)
Jingling_In_Stars JiNgLe DaNcEr Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 527	All I have to say is that. . . . I'm in the military, and I pray that McCain and Palin don't win. For my family and my sake. . . I only get one vote. . and it won't be for them! __________________ At some point, you have to make a decision. Boundaries don't keep other people out. They fence you in. Life is messy. That's how we're made. So, you can waste your lives drawing lines. Or you can live your life crossing them. . ~Grey's Anatomy~ 人生は短すぎる、楽しもう