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miss_mohawk · 05-05-2008, 03:50 PM

What are your ladies take on making you jingle dresses? I've heard that some people just make it all at once but then some people say that you have to add a jingle on for each day of the year. What's your take?

they_drag_him · 05-05-2008, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by miss_mohawk

What are your ladies take on making you jingle dresses? I've heard that some people just make it all at once but then some people say that you have to add a jingle on for each day of the year. What's your take?

All I know is that I trimmed and turned 500 cones and a family friend Patricia Withorne sewed the dress in one long night.

soopashinaab · 05-05-2008, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by miss_mohawk

What are your ladies take on making you jingle dresses? I've heard that some people just make it all at once but then some people say that you have to add a jingle on for each day of the year. What's your take?

Forgive me for posting, but I have to comment on the 365 cones. This is as new age as your gonna get... there are not 365 days in a year. This is why we have a leap year, because there are 365 and one quarter days in a year. Think about this ladies... does this mean you have to put a quarter cone on your dress to make up for that quarter day?? Research the dress, I don't think the man who dreamt this dress and accompanying songs said you need a certain amount of cones! Please don't take offense to my comments, they are not intended in a bad way. I just want to clear up the 365 cones mess, that someone decided sounded good one day! Keep a clean heart and mind when you make your dress, and everything else will follow. Miigwich for listening.

P.S. feel free to PM me if you have questions, I will do my best to answer them.

miss_mohawk · 05-05-2008, 06:54 PM

Thanks for that comments, and I didn't take them in a bad way, I was just wondering cuz a few people have told me that... I have heard that the 365 cones deal was fairly new too but still it made me wonder you know? Different regions, different stories.

**WocusWoman** · 05-06-2008, 01:13 AM

go to the video on this website that has a good traditional explanation of this dress and dance! Will go look now and report the title back to you shortly.

**ojibwaysweetie** · 05-07-2008, 09:13 AM

I keep saying I don't know where this put-1-cone-on-a-day came from. My goodness I got 3 on the go for myself and it would take me three years. LOL! Can't afford that at my age

ChiMiigwetch Shinaab for your comments. Very goot!!

miss_mohawk · 05-08-2008, 09:43 AM

LoL! Yeah I agree that would take way too long. My mom wants me to switch from fancy to jingle (I do too...I'm not too well suited for fancy shawl) and she thinks that we should do the whole 365 cones/one per day thing. I've only just recently started dancing again so we're gonna take our time making it (and get my endurance up! lol) but I can't seem to tell her that you don't need to take a year (unless you know it takes awhile to get everything together what not). I know a jingler I'm gonna talk to about this but does anyone have any suggestions on how to convince her?

**Kiwehnzii** · 05-08-2008, 10:14 AM

Well........ someone convinced her and she's stickin' with it. I admire her for that. But.... if she spoke with some old time Ojib jinglers, they may be able to sway her view. I suggest you take her to a powwow ( are you in Six Nations? ) and introduce her to some older ladies. There's a few that go to - the bush - powwow. Try that.

Kaina1128 · 05-08-2008, 10:51 AM

yeah i never caught on with that new-agey 365 cones thing. i do take the time to make sure the women that make my regalia make them with a good heart. my auntie says she wont handle my dresses unless she's in a good mood and usually prays while putting on the last cone. im having two new dresses made for the summer and before i dance in them, im taking them up to a midewiin ceremony in bad river to be blessed and feasted. hopefully, that should kick off my powwow season in a good way!

miss_mohawk · 05-08-2008, 12:59 PM

Yeah I live on Six Nations and my mom is Ojibwe (well half anyway she is registered under the New Credit band) she just never learned all the traditions. I think I will take your advice Kihenzii thanks. We're heading out to a powwow tomorrow and my jingler friend will be there too so maybe she could explain too.

**ojibwaysweetie** · 05-09-2008, 07:49 AM

Let us know what you found out. :)

soopashinaab · 05-09-2008, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ojibwaysweetie

Let us know what you found out. :)

Off topic... I had to say, I like your signature!!

**ojibwaysweetie** · 05-11-2008, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by soopashinaab

Off topic... I had to say, I like your signature!!

I like yours too!!! LOL

Majii · 07-01-2008, 02:57 PM

The question is if you're putting on one a day. What do you do on the days when you are on your moon time when you are not to touch the dress at all?

I remember if you had the dream you made your dress, got it blessed, etc ....... now, there's 365, 7 rows, one a day, protocol, adding more rules and some even criticize colours and the presentation of the dance and self. So, what happened to the original true meaning of dancing the dance for the healing and wellness of self and others?

I think that people add too many rules on a certain traditional things/values and make it difficult and limit other's possibilities to achieve their goals to fulfill their dream.

I would just make my dress and do the things for preparation before I wear the dress.

**ojibwaysweetie** · 07-01-2008, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Majii

The question is if you're putting on one a day. What do you do on the days when you are on your moon time when you are not to touch the dress at all?

I remember if you had the dream you made your dress, got it blessed, etc ....... now, there's 365, 7 rows, one a day, protocol, adding more rules and some even criticize colours and the presentation of the dance and self. So, what happened to the original true meaning of dancing the dance for the healing and wellness of self and others?

I think that people add too many rules on a certain traditional things/values and make it difficult and limit other's possibilities to achieve their goals to fulfill their dream.

I would just make my dress and do the things for preparation before I wear the dress.

Yeah, I often wonder where these made-up rules come from. My girls started out fancy shawl as lots of little girls do. They never thought about jingle dress dancing until a dream came to them. Then was taken to their Gramma, from there the dress was made, was blessed and feasted. This protocol brought them into our jingle dress circle/world for life. (They like to dance other styles at times too.) But they will always be jingle dress dancers.

05-05-2008, 03:50 PM	#1 (permalink)
miss_mohawk Old/New Fancy Shawler Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Martin's Corner Posts: 42	Your take... What are your ladies take on making you jingle dresses? I've heard that some people just make it all at once but then some people say that you have to add a jingle on for each day of the year. What's your take?

05-07-2008, 09:13 AM	#6 (permalink)
ojibwaysweetie PowWows.com Addicts Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Heart of the Great Lakes, Ontario Canada Posts: 4,977	I keep saying I don't know where this put-1-cone-on-a-day came from. My goodness I got 3 on the go for myself and it would take me three years. LOL! Can't afford that at my age ChiMiigwetch Shinaab for your comments. Very goot!! __________________ "Gaa wiin daa-aangoshkigaazo ahaw enaabiyaan gaa-inaabid"

05-08-2008, 10:51 AM	#9 (permalink)
Kaina1128 Rezdude's Chica Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 283 Blog Entries: 3	yeah i never caught on with that new-agey 365 cones thing. i do take the time to make sure the women that make my regalia make them with a good heart. my auntie says she wont handle my dresses unless she's in a good mood and usually prays while putting on the last cone. im having two new dresses made for the summer and before i dance in them, im taking them up to a midewiin ceremony in bad river to be blessed and feasted. hopefully, that should kick off my powwow season in a good way! __________________ www.paysbig.com/powwow Urban Indian Wellness Consortium Nooktoo tsitaapi kainaiwa USAF

05-09-2008, 07:49 AM	#11 (permalink)
ojibwaysweetie PowWows.com Addicts Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Heart of the Great Lakes, Ontario Canada Posts: 4,977	Let us know what you found out. :) __________________ "Gaa wiin daa-aangoshkigaazo ahaw enaabiyaan gaa-inaabid"

07-01-2008, 02:57 PM	#14 (permalink)
Majii Tiny Tot Dancer Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 94	One a Day? The question is if you're putting on one a day. What do you do on the days when you are on your moon time when you are not to touch the dress at all? I remember if you had the dream you made your dress, got it blessed, etc ....... now, there's 365, 7 rows, one a day, protocol, adding more rules and some even criticize colours and the presentation of the dance and self. So, what happened to the original true meaning of dancing the dance for the healing and wellness of self and others? I think that people add too many rules on a certain traditional things/values and make it difficult and limit other's possibilities to achieve their goals to fulfill their dream. I would just make my dress and do the things for preparation before I wear the dress. Last edited by Majii; 07-01-2008 at 03:04 PM.

05-05-2008, 06:54 PM	#4 (permalink)
miss_mohawk Old/New Fancy Shawler Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Martin's Corner Posts: 42	Thanks for that comments, and I didn't take them in a bad way, I was just wondering cuz a few people have told me that... I have heard that the 365 cones deal was fairly new too but still it made me wonder you know? Different regions, different stories.

05-06-2008, 01:13 AM	#5 (permalink)
WocusWoman N8tiffUmatillaMAMA Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Interior Alaska Posts: 2,727	go to the video on this website that has a good traditional explanation of this dress and dance! Will go look now and report the title back to you shortly.

05-08-2008, 09:43 AM	#7 (permalink)
miss_mohawk Old/New Fancy Shawler Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Martin's Corner Posts: 42	LoL! Yeah I agree that would take way too long. My mom wants me to switch from fancy to jingle (I do too...I'm not too well suited for fancy shawl) and she thinks that we should do the whole 365 cones/one per day thing. I've only just recently started dancing again so we're gonna take our time making it (and get my endurance up! lol) but I can't seem to tell her that you don't need to take a year (unless you know it takes awhile to get everything together what not). I know a jingler I'm gonna talk to about this but does anyone have any suggestions on how to convince her?

05-08-2008, 10:14 AM	#8 (permalink)
Kiwehnzii Oldfart Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 2,868	Well........ someone convinced her and she's stickin' with it. I admire her for that. But.... if she spoke with some old time Ojib jinglers, they may be able to sway her view. I suggest you take her to a powwow ( are you in Six Nations? ) and introduce her to some older ladies. There's a few that go to - the bush - powwow. Try that.

05-08-2008, 12:59 PM	#10 (permalink)
miss_mohawk Old/New Fancy Shawler Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Martin's Corner Posts: 42	Yeah I live on Six Nations and my mom is Ojibwe (well half anyway she is registered under the New Credit band) she just never learned all the traditions. I think I will take your advice Kihenzii thanks. We're heading out to a powwow tomorrow and my jingler friend will be there too so maybe she could explain too.