millsdrumming

Hi Eeveryone, My daughter which is 8 years old is wanting to be a Jingle dress Dancer and I would like to know how we can do this. We have Cherokee desendents but no way as of now to prove this. We have now just started going to Pow Wows and my daughter has express a desire to dance. :Help


Can you please explain the steps that I need to go to get her involved. Wado, Wally

:Chatter

Selina

Hi!

the steps are various!
basically you dance on the ball of your feet!
the basic step is that you tip with one of your feet forward and then back again. repeat the step with your other foot. never forget to jump slightly to the beat of the drum while doing your steps. that is the basic.
you can vary the steps as long as your up and down movement is in the rythm of the drum.
the best way to learn dancing is to watch othe dancers at a pow wow!

if you have the possibility make a video and watch the step variations of the dancers at home!

hope i could help you and your daughter a little bit :)

see ya

millsdrumming

Thank you for your help Salina, Yes that will help me get started, but what I need to know is how I can get her in to dance. What is the protcal for this? I will be talking to an elder the next time I am at a pow wow, but need to know what to ask. Wally

Selina

hi!

talking to an elder is a very good thing!
maybe he invites you (your daughter), then the half way is done.
otherwise take her to pow wows and let her dance at the intertribals first.
when you get to know other dancers they may invite you for the next time.

just an idea.

let me know of the progress!

do you have a dress for her? have you already started making it? do you have a pic?

see ya

millsdrumming

I haven't made hera dress yet. I am tryingto get the information and tryingto get an idea fo howthe dress should be made. I don't want to just throw it together. i want to do it right. I have been working on beaded rosettes, and that isa slow process. I need to work on them more than i do. As for thedress if i had some kind of patern i can go gy and to also get and idea from I would knowwhat to do. Yes I will keep you informed and will send pictures as soon as the dress is together. If you have any ideas on the dress i would be great ful. Wa'do, Wally

Selina

Hi!

there are a lot of sources on the net for a dress.

there are a few pics on my own site. as well.
take a look, if you like!
website
also the gathering of nations website has many things.http://www.gatheringofnations.com

hope i could help :)

see ya

hidatsachic24

hello...well the easiest way to make a jingle dress
is to purchase a jingle dress pattern...which you have
choice one for girls or one for women...
you can find these on nocbay (www.nocbay.com)
or crazycrow(crazycrow.com)
and also wanderingbull inc. (www.wanderingbull.com)
also they have one auctioned off on www.ebay.com
materials:
for the dress:
you will need jingles
pattern
material(tafeta or cotton polyester -heavy)
if you use light wait material..you can double it and use
lining..
bias tape
-at www.joann.com theres a neat little item that you can purchase
to make bias tape or you can just purchase it ..its comes in various colors..
ribbon (not silk)
thread
sewing machine of course
the pattern packet will show you step by step on how to make a jingle dress
and theres many varieties to choose from
on nocbay.com they have a magazine shown
for jingle dress..its #7 of whispering wind
they show many styles of jingle dresses...but its very important
not to copy...for her i would start off something very basic and simple
later as she grows she'll develope her own styles
jingles can be purchased at http://: home.att.net/~randvjingles
or at www.furandhide.com
there is no number of jingles required for girls to wear
but if you get ones already rolled...i would suggest you buy at least one seperately or cut off
a lid of the soup can...bleach it to get smell off and let air dry...cut off sharp rims and show her while
doing this...and give her a pair of gloves(heavy/thick)to put on and show her how to roll the jingle
that way she knows...you can get instructions on how to do that through noc.bay under their
"Learning circle"...they also sell cone turners for 3.50 i think...when you order that make sure that you ask for them to send you instructions on how to roll jingles..
also before she begins jingle she has to know the meaning behind the dance...and behind powwows..
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Leggings:
these are very important b/c traditionally it was worn to keep warm and also women were only allowed to show their legs to their husband...
i would have her start out with plain leggings until she know how to bead and knows her own nations designs (ask elder preferrably a woman)you can make them out of white deerskin or smoked or can
see if noc bay has instructions on how to make leggings...i think for children between 2-3 sq.ft
www.furandhide.com can give you more information on sq.ft. and how many and what type is best and how to make moccasins...

HairTies:
I would just go ahead and purchase white deerskin thong (from nocbay) and 2 hole abalone shell or white/pink shells with 2 holes...usually purchase the same type of shell and same shape only with 1 hole to make earrings if she has her ears pearsed or beaded earring small rosette earrings are better
not so heavy weight..

Fan:
most jingle dancers have fans some dont too...you can puchase a fan kit through nocbay or make you own...they sell goose feathers there...they do sell a goose feather fan kit...but i would highly recommed useing different deerskin...they include a instruction pamphlet on how to stitch..
she can also use fan that has been passed down in there are any

Medicine pouch:
can be simple plain one or one that has been given to her...you can purchase some through nocbay or ebay.com

scarf:
she can either wear a scarf with a shell( 2hole) tieing the scarf or scarf slide(from noc bay)
she could also wear a choker too...beaded or bone choker (not immitation bone)
you can purchase one through noc bay or ebay sells them too..
some dancers wear a scarf and carry a scarf along with their pouch

plumes:
she can either wear or not wear a plume...plume kits are sold throuhg noc bay
(continue on next message)
:p

hidatsachic24

Dancing:
I would suggest to start the way selina says it seems to be
the easiest...but eventually she will have to learn how
to side step too
...later on she will learn her own style...it may take a while
...going to powwows and asking other jingle dancers
there questions is the best way to go...have her learn
from watching...someone there might even teach her
to dance...which is great b/c she'll learn from experience
the best way to learn is from a elderly jingle dancer...they
are the most respected and who has the most experience
she may switch from one dance style to another later on but
thats good too b/c shes learning lessons...
I would not suggest that she take money considering
it is considered to be a sacred dance...
I hope all of this helps
becca :D

Selina

You're absolutely right, hidatsachic24!

there are also videos to learn from how to dance, but the best thing is to go to powwows and watch and ask!

I hope your daughter becomes a great dancer!
Give her my regards!

See ya

millsdrumming

Aw Ho Silena, I want to thank you and Hidatsachic24 for the great input. You have been such a blessing to me. I will be reffering to your sight Selina much. I have been making rosettes for my girls hair now and finished one practice set with a 0/8 bead but now working on a new set with 0/14 glass bead. Thank you once again. Wally

Oh Ya if there is more that you can tell me i am all ears. I love your out fit you mad Hidaatsachic24...very well done.

I do have another question...If I can't find the tribe of Cherokee we are from ( frustrated) how do I find a design that will fit her asd far as the Cherokee? I seen the 2 on the one sight of the 2 girls. can you explain this one..I know full of questions Wally

hidatsachic24

well with the cherokee designs..i would either talk to someone who may know in the family
or see if there is a person who is cherokee descent
in this message board...or even looking under yahoo under
cherokee...and email the tribal council for someone to
referr you to to email....i think cherokee being thats its eastern
usually use alot of floral designs...there is a website i can referr you to
www.nativetech.org...if i come up with any other information
later today i'll let you know...sorry i cant be of too much help there
considering im not cherokee ...im hidatsa(totally different area)
if there is a person i can referr you too..i hope that person will be a great of help
...theres also another thing she might wanna be aware of and i do hate to say this
but there are some powwows where she wont be able to compete at
those require a tribal status paperbut i think with those powwows she can at least dance at grande entry and intertribal(i maybe wrong) .....but there are alot of powwows that will let her dance
she'll find that out on her own and i hope she wont be dissapointed in that situation..
powwow protocual(sp?)is very important so listening to the mc is good idea...but also
there are cherokee powwows...in the next message i'll try to list some ...she'll learn alot by going
to those and how to find herself as a cherokee ..also talk to people at those powwows and who knows maybe they can direct you to someone in your area to help you out more...

hidatsachic24

heres the sight...there is http://www.trailoftears.org
powwow in kentucky...also that website might have e-mail contacts
i know that powwow is far away but if i do come up with ones near
where you are i'll let you know...

Selina

You're always welcome!
Glad I could help and I will also keep my eyes and ears open for you!

Greetings

:D

millsdrumming

Boojoo,

To Silena & Hidatsachic24, I want to say that we went to a Jingle Dress Pow wow in Manitou Rapids, Ontario and we had a blast. My daughter learned from an elder jingle dancer abot the Jingle dress and she even about dancing in the circle and which end to come in what praying and many more things . I will be needing to find an elder close to me to hopefully mentore my girls, and now my wife. Any ideas would be thankful. Wado, Wally

prettydark

boozhoo! i went to the powwow in manitou rapids