sneaky jingledress dancers

nimkiikwe_49 · 07-30-2003, 12:21 PM

ok, this might seem lame, but what do jingle dress dancers do during the Sneak part of a sneak up?

quicksilverwade · 07-30-2003, 07:23 PM

During the sneak up, I've noticed that the jingle dancers in Crow Creek South Dakota dance along side the women's northern traditional dancers in the same fashion. Or, they can do their moves along side the fancy shawl dancers but I think tradition dictates that dancing along the women's northern traditional is best.

**Kakeeya** · 07-30-2003, 07:43 PM

I'm a woman Northern Traditional dancer and during the sneak up songs, when the drum stops, we stop dancing and wait for the next verse or push up. I believe all the other ladies do the same thing, just wait for the next push up to dance again. :) Hope I understood your question and answered appropriately!!

nimkiikwe_49 · 07-30-2003, 11:06 PM

thanks...

just on the off chance at the next pow wow that they have the sneak up an all catagories I didn't want to not do my job well.... being head dancer and all...

chi-migwetch

peekaboo · 07-31-2003, 12:36 AM

IM USUALLY UNDER OUR CANOPY DRINKING UP A STORM OF WATER WATCHING THE MEN DO THERE THING. LOL.

Mato Winyan · 07-31-2003, 04:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Singerdad
Keep their seat warm. :D

:rofl2:

Lakota winyan · 07-31-2003, 04:40 PM

A long time ago..only the men dance, b/c it is like a warrior's dance...and then the fancy shawl dancers would join in..but since jingle is fairly new..it's at your discretion..sometimes I do but the northen style traditional women's. or just let the men dance their dance..

WhoMe · 07-31-2003, 06:16 PM

Plain and simple . . .

Sneak OUT!

JDD 4 life · 07-31-2003, 06:35 PM

I just stand on the side until they're done, or I just go sit down...

quicksilverwade · 07-31-2003, 06:54 PM

I just stand on the side until they're done, or I just go sit down...

Pardon me, but is this an actual advisement from your elder? Do you realize what the sneak up represents? It is required that when there are eagle feathers in the arena, especially when it's men's northern traditional, all are required to stand in respect of our forefathers. Now, are you willing to change our traditions?

~+~Heya~+~ · 07-31-2003, 08:24 PM

Hmmmm....I'm usually bent down telling my lil bro to be careful of the his feathers on his bustle!

08-05-2003, 10:47 AM

had a sneak up before when i was dancing and i honeslty never danced to a sneak up song until 1 time...buti honestly didnt know what to do so i jest went by gut instinct and just stopped there until head singer started singing again ....i never knew until i read this post that i did the right thign...-becca

**injunboy** · 08-05-2003, 02:51 PM

whatever you doo ladies, dont bend over and start looking on the ground for eagle feathers...if you just have too, make sure you have it on video soo we all can watch and have some fun with it...

JDD 4 life · 08-12-2003, 02:31 PM

excuse me quicksilverwade, we all do our own thing, and no i am not gonna change things, but if you didn't notice, everything is changing....i'm not even gonna get started on that. didn't mean to upset you, but i do what i do, and you do what you do....:)

quicksilverwade · 08-12-2003, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JDD 4 life
excuse me quicksilverwade, we all do our own thing, and no i am not gonna change things, but if you didn't notice, everything is changing....i'm not even gonna get started on that. didn't mean to upset you, but i do what i do, and you do what you do....:)

I apologize for my misjudgement call. But who do you take your words of wisdom from? Who is your advisor? I don't mean to pry but you seem to want to change everything and that is your perogative but look at mother earth for when we die and decompose it is mother earth that will comfort and engulf us all.

JDD 4 life · 08-13-2003, 03:34 PM

WELL, AS THE SUBJECT ASKED, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WHEN THEY DO A SNEAK UP SO....:(

BUT I DON'T WANT TO CHANGE THINGS, AND I DO RESPECT MOTHER EARTH, LIFE, AND THE CREATOR, MY AUNT TELLS ME ABOUT THAT STUFF... AND IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME:)

I DIDN'T HAVE MY GRANDPARENTS TO ADVISE ME ABOUT ALOT OF THINGS I DON'T KNOW, BUT I THINK AS I GET OLDER, THEN I'LL LEARN ALOT MORE, AS YOU SHOULD KNOW, I'M 15 YEARS OLD.

LATER...

quicksilverwade · 08-13-2003, 03:57 PM

JDD: I hope your understanding of etiquette and protocol goes well. Remember every the northern plains and southern plains have their ways of doing things. From which direction of the arena can be walked to the separation of sexes during the intertribals (Men-counterclockwise & women-clockwise). And of course there will be exceptions for everything but a direction for not adhering can only be backed up with a visible reason. It cannot be assumed that one is going against the grain only because one wants to. With jingle dress dancing, Teresa Iyotte (Oglala Sioux) from Rosebud, South Dakota advised my sister that a red scarf should be attached to the eagle fan and a purse is to be held in the other hand. Now this doesn't bind you to do the same because you'll need to seek counsel from your family or tribe affiliation. Or others will say you can only seek advise from the Ojibwe but listen to us all and make your decision with your heart.

07-30-2003, 12:21 PM	#1 (permalink)
nimkiikwe_49 naturally noble Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Albuquerque Posts: 262	sneaky jingledress dancers ok, this might seem lame, but what do jingle dress dancers do during the Sneak part of a sneak up? __________________ Miigwetch all's fair in love and pow wow.... see ya around

07-30-2003, 11:06 PM	#4 (permalink)
nimkiikwe_49 naturally noble Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Albuquerque Posts: 262	thanks... just on the off chance at the next pow wow that they have the sneak up an all catagories I didn't want to not do my job well.... being head dancer and all... chi-migwetch __________________ Miigwetch all's fair in love and pow wow.... see ya around

07-31-2003, 12:36 AM	#5 (permalink)
peekaboo Junior Dancer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: MY RIG-ALL THE COMFORTS OF HOME & MY CONDO P.T. Posts: 159	IM USUALLY UNDER OUR CANOPY DRINKING UP A STORM OF WATER WATCHING THE MEN DO THERE THING. LOL. __________________ "Never be bullied into silence. Never allow yourself to be made a victim. Accept no one's definition of your life; define yourself."

07-31-2003, 04:40 PM	#7 (permalink)
Lakota winyan Pow Wow Visitor Join Date: May 2002 Location: USA Posts: 17	re: sneak up A long time ago..only the men dance, b/c it is like a warrior's dance...and then the fancy shawl dancers would join in..but since jingle is fairly new..it's at your discretion..sometimes I do but the northen style traditional women's. or just let the men dance their dance..

07-31-2003, 06:35 PM	#9 (permalink)
JDD 4 life Tiny Tot Dancer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: US Posts: 46	sneak up? I just stand on the side until they're done, or I just go sit down... __________________ -

07-30-2003, 07:23 PM	#2 (permalink)
quicksilverwade Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: South of the Deadly San Andreas Fault Posts: 1,555	During the sneak up, I've noticed that the jingle dancers in Crow Creek South Dakota dance along side the women's northern traditional dancers in the same fashion. Or, they can do their moves along side the fancy shawl dancers but I think tradition dictates that dancing along the women's northern traditional is best.

07-30-2003, 07:43 PM	#3 (permalink)
Kakeeya PowWows.com Addicts Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: By a mountain on the Rez Posts: 2,553	I'm a woman Northern Traditional dancer and during the sneak up songs, when the drum stops, we stop dancing and wait for the next verse or push up. I believe all the other ladies do the same thing, just wait for the next push up to dance again. :) Hope I understood your question and answered appropriately!!

07-31-2003, 06:16 PM	#8 (permalink)
WhoMe PauWau Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Land of 370 Broken Treaties Posts: 5,560	Plain and simple . . . Sneak OUT!

07-31-2003, 06:54 PM	#10 (permalink)
quicksilverwade Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: South of the Deadly San Andreas Fault Posts: 1,555	I just stand on the side until they're done, or I just go sit down... Pardon me, but is this an actual advisement from your elder? Do you realize what the sneak up represents? It is required that when there are eagle feathers in the arena, especially when it's men's northern traditional, all are required to stand in respect of our forefathers. Now, are you willing to change our traditions?

07-31-2003, 08:24 PM	#11 (permalink)
~+~Heya~+~ Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: MN Posts: 770	Hmmmm....I'm usually bent down telling my lil bro to be careful of the his feathers on his bustle!

08-05-2003, 10:47 AM	#12 (permalink)
hidatsawmn26 Guest Posts: n/a	had a sneak up before when i was dancing and i honeslty never danced to a sneak up song until 1 time...buti honestly didnt know what to do so i jest went by gut instinct and just stopped there until head singer started singing again ....i never knew until i read this post that i did the right thign...-becca

08-05-2003, 02:51 PM	#13 (permalink)
injunboy Ganado 3A North Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: nizhoni arizoni Posts: 1,650	whatever you doo ladies, dont bend over and start looking on the ground for eagle feathers...if you just have too, make sure you have it on video soo we all can watch and have some fun with it... __________________ thanks dad for showing me the way, teaching me the language, and not leaving my mother...L *original XXL * jus like McSteamie

08-12-2003, 02:31 PM	#14 (permalink)
JDD 4 life Tiny Tot Dancer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: US Posts: 46	??? excuse me quicksilverwade, we all do our own thing, and no i am not gonna change things, but if you didn't notice, everything is changing....i'm not even gonna get started on that. didn't mean to upset you, but i do what i do, and you do what you do....:) __________________ -

08-13-2003, 03:34 PM	#16 (permalink)
JDD 4 life Tiny Tot Dancer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: US Posts: 46	IT'S ALL GOOD WELL, AS THE SUBJECT ASKED, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WHEN THEY DO A SNEAK UP SO....:( BUT I DON'T WANT TO CHANGE THINGS, AND I DO RESPECT MOTHER EARTH, LIFE, AND THE CREATOR, MY AUNT TELLS ME ABOUT THAT STUFF... AND IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME:) I DIDN'T HAVE MY GRANDPARENTS TO ADVISE ME ABOUT ALOT OF THINGS I DON'T KNOW, BUT I THINK AS I GET OLDER, THEN I'LL LEARN ALOT MORE, AS YOU SHOULD KNOW, I'M 15 YEARS OLD. LATER... __________________ -

08-13-2003, 03:57 PM	#17 (permalink)
quicksilverwade Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: South of the Deadly San Andreas Fault Posts: 1,555	JDD: I hope your understanding of etiquette and protocol goes well. Remember every the northern plains and southern plains have their ways of doing things. From which direction of the arena can be walked to the separation of sexes during the intertribals (Men-counterclockwise & women-clockwise). And of course there will be exceptions for everything but a direction for not adhering can only be backed up with a visible reason. It cannot be assumed that one is going against the grain only because one wants to. With jingle dress dancing, Teresa Iyotte (Oglala Sioux) from Rosebud, South Dakota advised my sister that a red scarf should be attached to the eagle fan and a purse is to be held in the other hand. Now this doesn't bind you to do the same because you'll need to seek counsel from your family or tribe affiliation. Or others will say you can only seek advise from the Ojibwe but listen to us all and make your decision with your heart.