Contest Powwow - Page 2

**Kiwehnzii** · 07-11-2007, 01:31 AM

I've worked registration and tabs before, and it's not a big deal to give out a few numbers to late arrivals. It speaks volumes for the committee and their willingness to accomodate their visitors, which goes a long way in building a good reputation for your celebration or powwow. That good reputation will attract more participants to your event and they will have good things to say about it, which is what a committee wants more than anything. I think that's more important that sticking to a time "rule" when it comes to just registration. There are more key areas to a powwow contest that require strict adherence to the rules than when registration closes.

Very hospitable of you.

Wakalapi · 07-11-2007, 02:58 AM

Why should a dancer be turned away?

Missed grand entry, missed intertribals, missed round dances: I say the lack of participation points will eventually bring their own punishment.

SuzzeQ4 · 07-13-2007, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Kiwehnzii

Yup.

If you are a dancer, just think of how you would feel if you were held up on the interstate because of an accident or a deer or moose ran into your car. And.......... registration closed 15 minutes before you got there. Think about it. Would you want the committee to give you a break?

Most dancers will agree.

Non-dancers - well..... y'know.

exactly what I was thinking! & then there is the arbitary matter of time. When my watch says it's noon?, when you watch says it's noon? or half an hour past noon?...if you own a watch. And just if your wondering this is not coming from someone who is chronically late. I'm notoriously early. I like to get the kids ready a soon as they are done breakfast. Then I can just sit & relax an hour before grand entry. It's a feeling few expierence

furstnayshun · 07-16-2007, 05:33 PM

Wow, this question really had me thinking!
I too try to leave a lot of time to get to a powwow. But try as might there have been a couple of close calls. You know those notorious mile long lines to register because we all plow into the powwow grounds alllllllllllll at the same exact time.

blueskysmom · 07-20-2007, 03:20 PM

Hmmm! Those big names that go to pow wows to win are always there on time. That is the name of the game. Others who dawdle and think just because I'm an elder or I try to act big and bad or whose relative is on the committee think they don't have to abide by any rules are only showing disrespect to the other dancers and disrespect to the committee. A lot of times as a dancer, I have missed registration. That is a big disappointment but what the heck, I'm not gonna get rich if I place at this one pow wow!! I'm not gonna die if I miss registration. Be there, get dressed anyway and enjoy yourself. Or isn't that what you went there for?

Zeke · 07-20-2007, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by blueskysmom

Or isn't that what you went there for?

My query, exactly.

WhoMe · 07-21-2007, 07:58 PM

If a committee has the manpower, they should keep registration open all day and past the evening grand entry, on the first day when most dancers arrive.

This is the ultimate hospitality.

This will give people who work, students, mothers and those travelling great distances a break.

Zeke · 07-22-2007, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by WhoMe

If a committee has the manpower, they should keep registration open all day and past the evening grand entry, on the first day when most dancers arrive.

This is the ultimate hospitality.

This will give people who work, students, mothers and those travelling great distances a break.

Sound reasoning. My greatest concern relates to extending registration hours beyond that advertised.

Once the trigger is pulled, it should be done.

Steffan Redhawk · 07-22-2007, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeke

Sound reasoning. My greatest concern relates to extending registration hours beyond that advertised.

Once the trigger is pulled, it should be done.

Why?

Theres no reason to keep someone out of competing because they're a little late.

Say you've got a family of 8, and 1 person in just about every category... That's 8 dancers the powwow could lose... At some of the smaller powwows, that could be 1/4 or 1/2 the dancers.

The only reason anyone should be afraid of someone registering late, is because you suck at dancing, and hate it when someone misses grand entry, and still beats you.

Get over it.

There is no reason to keep people from competiting because they're late.

If people can't tell, I'm pro late registers!

If a guy misses the extra grand entry points, shows up, and stomps me into the ground... He deserves it... Or even just places... He deserves it.

I don't care if you show up late and compete...

Why should you care if I do?

Zeke · 07-22-2007, 04:26 PM

Please see posts 2, 3, 5, 8 and 16.

Especially 16.

Thanks!

Steffan Redhawk · 07-22-2007, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeke

Please see posts 2, 3, 5, 8 and 16.

Especially 16.

Thanks!

* Why do we not let 13-year-olds play Little League baseball?

* Why do we ask that teachers have degrees?

* Why do we ask, IN GENERAL, that there even BE rules?

Sure, those that don't make it will whine, because that's what those sort of (What? You're holding me accountable for my actions?) folks do. TOO BAD. The other folks managed to get here.

If they're there for the $$$, follow the rules. If they're not there for the $$$, it shouldn't matter to them.

If the posted rules allow for late signup, that's fine, I don't have a disagreement with anything beyond throwing out the rules! But whatever you have, the committee, organization, tribe, etc., must follow.

Anything less is poor leadership and direction. When the time is past, the time is PAST.

* Why do we not let 13-year-olds play Little League baseball?
The same reason why there are junior, teen, and adult categories.

* Why do we ask that teachers have degrees?
This has absolutely nothing to do with the question.

* Why do we ask, IN GENERAL, that there even BE rules?
Because, In general, without order, is chaos.

Your argument is based on one thing, a clear cut definition between right/wrong, good/bad. You want a white/black area for everything, but that's not how life is lived.

That is not how judges run their courtroom

That is not how police act in the streets

That is not how the world works.

If it was, we would not have probation for reckless endangerment.

We would not have parole for a life sentence.

Judges would not take 1st offenses into consideration.

Police would not give warnings.

Cashiers at the gas station wouldn't pull a penny off the top of the drawer when you hit 40.01 instead of 40.

The world you wanna live in doesn't sound like it'd be much fun for the rest of us.

Remember that next time you hear someone tell they're child they'll beat them until they're black and blue if they don't listen.

Zeke · 07-22-2007, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Steffan Redhawk

...Your argument is based on one thing, a clear cut definition between right/wrong, good/bad. You want a white/black area for everything, but that's not how life is lived...

Excellent post, but I am forced to vehemently disagree.

In each case you mentioned, there is a social arbiter related to the decision who issues a formal proclamation based upon rules. In no such case are the rules discarded. (Hey I WAS a Parole Officer!)

Your point of view is quite arguable but, eventually, someone has to make a decision. I would merely prefer that said decision carry even the SLIGHTEST PORTION of efficacy.

To do that, you must preserve the social order.

Thanks.

Steffan Redhawk · 07-22-2007, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeke

Excellent post, but I am forced to vehemently disagree.

In each case you mentioned, there is a social arbiter related to the decision who issues a formal proclamation based upon rules. In no such case are the rules discarded. (Hey I WAS a Parole Officer!)

Your point of view is quite arguable but, eventually, someone has to make a decision. I would merely prefer that said decision carry even the SLIGHTEST PORTION of efficacy.

To do that, you must preserve the social order.

Thanks.

Fantastic, lets follow the rules to a T.

The flyer said registration closed at 6:30.

They simply failed to mention it opened back up at 6:31.

:) If you want a clear cut case, you must present clear evidence, being a former parole officer, I figure you've been in the position where you told a parolee to appear or check in at 6:30, but I can guarantee that you did not violate them for being 5 minutes late.

If you can agree with that, then your ethics are unbalanced.
(You can't say one thing and do another) I just hate using the "H" word.

If you can't agree with that, then your ethics are unbalanced.
(If you violate a person for being 5 or so minutes late, without a chance to explain, then there are worse names for you than hypocrite)

07-11-2007, 02:58 AM	#22 (permalink)
Wakalapi www.wakalapi.com Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: East of the Mountains Posts: 1,283	Why should a dancer be turned away? Missed grand entry, missed intertribals, missed round dances: I say the lack of participation points will eventually bring their own punishment. __________________ "Friends don't let friends drink decaf..." Relaunched Nov 1, 2008. Completely rebuilt and easier to use than ever.

07-20-2007, 03:20 PM	#25 (permalink)
blueskysmom Tiny Tot Dancer Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 49	Registering after closing Hmmm! Those big names that go to pow wows to win are always there on time. That is the name of the game. Others who dawdle and think just because I'm an elder or I try to act big and bad or whose relative is on the committee think they don't have to abide by any rules are only showing disrespect to the other dancers and disrespect to the committee. A lot of times as a dancer, I have missed registration. That is a big disappointment but what the heck, I'm not gonna get rich if I place at this one pow wow!! I'm not gonna die if I miss registration. Be there, get dressed anyway and enjoy yourself. Or isn't that what you went there for?

07-21-2007, 07:58 PM	#27 (permalink)
WhoMe PauWau Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Land of 370 Broken Treaties Posts: 5,560	If a committee has the manpower, they should keep registration open all day and past the evening grand entry, on the first day when most dancers arrive. This is the ultimate hospitality. This will give people who work, students, mothers and those travelling great distances a break. __________________ "Today, recognizing and respecting the origins of powwow aids in our Cultural Survival. If enough people break the rules because they are not satisfied...."We will have no culture." WhoMe

07-11-2007, 01:31 AM	#21 (permalink)
Kiwehnzii Oldfart Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 2,871	I've worked registration and tabs before, and it's not a big deal to give out a few numbers to late arrivals. It speaks volumes for the committee and their willingness to accomodate their visitors, which goes a long way in building a good reputation for your celebration or powwow. That good reputation will attract more participants to your event and they will have good things to say about it, which is what a committee wants more than anything. I think that's more important that sticking to a time "rule" when it comes to just registration. There are more key areas to a powwow contest that require strict adherence to the rules than when registration closes. Very hospitable of you.

07-16-2007, 05:33 PM	#24 (permalink)
furstnayshun Pow Wow Visitor Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: in greener pastures Posts: 17	Wow, this question really had me thinking! I too try to leave a lot of time to get to a powwow. But try as might there have been a couple of close calls. You know those notorious mile long lines to register because we all plow into the powwow grounds alllllllllllll at the same exact time.

07-22-2007, 04:26 PM	#30 (permalink)
Zeke Self-Righteous Injun Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 539	Please see posts 2, 3, 5, 8 and 16. Especially 16. Thanks!

07-22-2007, 07:59 PM	#34 (permalink)
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