What if there is an injury during contest?

mrs_mcr · 06-13-2005, 09:50 PM

What should the judges,mc, or ad do if a dancer is injured or passes out during a contest?
I've seen 2 things happen...once was a knee injury that caused a fancy dancer to go down and the drum stopped and the mc got the arena cleared. They re-danced the contest after the dancer was carried off.
Last powwow I went to I saw a jingle dancer pass out and everyone kept going - even when some other dancers who were EMTs went out onto the floor to help the girl.
Is it just a judgment call by head staff?

**andre** · 06-13-2005, 10:25 PM

Yes it ruins everyone's fun, and yes it messes up the contest, but I have seen many injuries at non-contest powwows and if the dancing doesn't stop, it is very difficult for emergency personel to attend to the injured party. Someone else's well being is worth more to me than the joy of watching the dance. I feel the same way on contests, but I have never contested, so maybe there are other opinions.

I can understand how it would be problematic, but I think everyone can agree that if it were them, they'd want "center stage" for just a few moments.

**White Powwow Dancer** · 06-13-2005, 11:05 PM

I would stop the dancing even during a contest if a dancer goes down.And redance the contest.

CHEROSAGE · 06-14-2005, 12:31 AM

Just stop the contest long enough to attend to the medical needs and restart the contest.

**White Powwow Dancer** · 06-16-2005, 01:16 AM

Hi
If MC See something like a dancer going down or a train wreck happening he would call out "Emergency happening" and the head staff would act like stopping the dancing for the party in need of help.

**WocusWoman** · 06-16-2005, 03:03 AM

Definately stop the dancing temporarily. You know everyone is responsible for themselves and there health; but it is the descent and safe thing to do by insuring that a stretcher and/or ambulance can get to the injured party in a timely manner. Our powwow committee is just dealing with this issue and the set-up of our powwow, we have to meet the guidelines set forth by the borough that owns the land we will be on, and this can be a real safety issue or hazard.

**Kiwehnzii** · 06-22-2005, 09:06 AM

The MC should just tell the other dancers to dance around him/her. After the song, tell everyone to line up, get that injured dancers number and tell all the judges to give sympathy points.

Aye, jus' kiddin', jus' kiddin'.

bushy_braids · 06-22-2005, 10:15 AM

it's unfortunate....
but i've been @ a pw before where an elder passed away and the powwow kept goin'...
it was during a round of intertribals and of course the mc was askin' for medical attention to that part of the arena where the elder was already down... (but no one thought much of it) and the dancers kept dancing around and the pw kept on... i don't think the mc or head staff realized the severity of the problem because they cleared the arena only when the ambulance and emt's came to tend to him before he passed...
THEN... in that same area... another person passed out and they still kept on dancing...
but... i def think the mc should quit the competition and tend to the needs of the dancer, cause you may just never know how severe the problem may be...

AlmostThere · 06-28-2005, 05:49 PM

Wouldnt you think a one would get medical help for another.. I mean its only a contest..You would think a human life is way way way more important the contest money and first place.

fancyfingers · 06-28-2005, 11:56 PM

i agree, the mc, should announce everyone to clear the areana, you can always redo the contest, injuries and sickness are more important. dancers be careful out there, especially in the heat, holes etc.

**NDNQt** · 07-01-2005, 01:04 PM

WocusWoman, we have a clause on our registration forms regarding injuries - that the powwow is not responsible for any injuries that occur.

**SingingDeer** · 07-08-2005, 11:19 PM

Proper protocol in any event should be to stop all activity until the person who has been injured or has fallen is assisted to a safe location where medical attention may be administered, including any immediate attention in the arena until the injured party can be transported safely.

Then it is up to the MC to re-start the dance when the MC feels it is appropriate.

This protocol should be done regardless of an injury disclaimer clause on the registration form, since the disclaimer is there to protect the pow wow committee from lawsuits pertaining to injury.

Plenty Fox · 08-20-2005, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by bushy_braids

it's unfortunate....
but i've been @ a pw before where an elder passed away and the powwow kept goin'...
it was during a round of intertribals and of course the mc was askin' for medical attention to that part of the arena where the elder was already down... (but no one thought much of it) and the dancers kept dancing around and the pw kept on... i don't think the mc or head staff realized the severity of the problem because they cleared the arena only when the ambulance and emt's came to tend to him before he passed...
THEN... in that same area... another person passed out and they still kept on dancing...
but... i def think the mc should quit the competition and tend to the needs of the dancer, cause you may just never know how severe the problem may be...

If major league ball can temporarily stop a game for weather, injury, etc. we can damn well interrupt a pow-wow. In the case of an elder and a death. I think they should've called a break of some kind. So what if it throws the schedule off. You can always shorten a dinner break, go longer, start earlier...it isn't a matter of 'them' it should be a matter of 'us'. This could be our elder or ou

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06-13-2005, 09:50 PM	#1 (permalink)
mrs_mcr Pow Wow Visitor Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 9	What if there is an injury during contest? What should the judges,mc, or ad do if a dancer is injured or passes out during a contest? I've seen 2 things happen...once was a knee injury that caused a fancy dancer to go down and the drum stopped and the mc got the arena cleared. They re-danced the contest after the dancer was carried off. Last powwow I went to I saw a jingle dancer pass out and everyone kept going - even when some other dancers who were EMTs went out onto the floor to help the girl. Is it just a judgment call by head staff?

06-13-2005, 10:25 PM	#2 (permalink)
andre Cratertot Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Fresh from the fryer Posts: 19,433	Yes it ruins everyone's fun, and yes it messes up the contest, but I have seen many injuries at non-contest powwows and if the dancing doesn't stop, it is very difficult for emergency personel to attend to the injured party. Someone else's well being is worth more to me than the joy of watching the dance. I feel the same way on contests, but I have never contested, so maybe there are other opinions. I can understand how it would be problematic, but I think everyone can agree that if it were them, they'd want "center stage" for just a few moments. __________________ A tater tot is worth a thousand fries.

06-13-2005, 11:05 PM	#3 (permalink)
White Powwow Dancer Brakeman Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: ONIGAMIINSING (Little portage) Posts: 1,305	I would stop the dancing even during a contest if a dancer goes down.And redance the contest. __________________ Asema Is Sacred Traditional Use, Not Misuse Wakan Tanka please have compassion on me. OK Niji we are running a train with red over yellow at this powwow.

06-14-2005, 12:31 AM	#4 (permalink)
CHEROSAGE Pow Wow Committee Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: , mo Posts: 1,316	Just stop the contest long enough to attend to the medical needs and restart the contest. __________________ BOB Last edited by CHEROSAGE; 06-14-2005 at 12:34 AM.

06-16-2005, 01:16 AM	#5 (permalink)
White Powwow Dancer Brakeman Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: ONIGAMIINSING (Little portage) Posts: 1,305	Hi If MC See something like a dancer going down or a train wreck happening he would call out "Emergency happening" and the head staff would act like stopping the dancing for the party in need of help. __________________ Asema Is Sacred Traditional Use, Not Misuse Wakan Tanka please have compassion on me. OK Niji we are running a train with red over yellow at this powwow.

06-16-2005, 03:03 AM	#6 (permalink)
WocusWoman N8tiffUmatillaMAMA Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Interior Alaska Posts: 2,690	Definately stop the dancing temporarily. You know everyone is responsible for themselves and there health; but it is the descent and safe thing to do by insuring that a stretcher and/or ambulance can get to the injured party in a timely manner. Our powwow committee is just dealing with this issue and the set-up of our powwow, we have to meet the guidelines set forth by the borough that owns the land we will be on, and this can be a real safety issue or hazard.

06-22-2005, 09:06 AM	#7 (permalink)
Kiwehnzii Oldfart Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 2,849	The MC should just tell the other dancers to dance around him/her. After the song, tell everyone to line up, get that injured dancers number and tell all the judges to give sympathy points. Aye, jus' kiddin', jus' kiddin'.

06-22-2005, 10:15 AM	#8 (permalink)
bushy_braids cool...calm...collected Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: da CROW wide world Posts: 1,172	to take it a step further... it's unfortunate.... but i've been @ a pw before where an elder passed away and the powwow kept goin'... it was during a round of intertribals and of course the mc was askin' for medical attention to that part of the arena where the elder was already down... (but no one thought much of it) and the dancers kept dancing around and the pw kept on... i don't think the mc or head staff realized the severity of the problem because they cleared the arena only when the ambulance and emt's came to tend to him before he passed... THEN... in that same area... another person passed out and they still kept on dancing... but... i def think the mc should quit the competition and tend to the needs of the dancer, cause you may just never know how severe the problem may be... __________________ "i don't like to walk fast man - i like to strut!"

06-28-2005, 05:49 PM	#9 (permalink)
AlmostThere The Original OP CREW Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: AZ Posts: 971	Wouldnt you think a one would get medical help for another.. I mean its only a contest..You would think a human life is way way way more important the contest money and first place. __________________ blah blah blah....

06-28-2005, 11:56 PM	#10 (permalink)
fancyfingers Junior Dancer Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: greensboro,nc Posts: 156	pw injury i agree, the mc, should announce everyone to clear the areana, you can always redo the contest, injuries and sickness are more important. dancers be careful out there, especially in the heat, holes etc. __________________ LIVE,LOVE AND BE FREE AND RELEASE YOUR INTERSELF :)

07-01-2005, 01:04 PM	#11 (permalink)
NDNQt PowWows.com Addicts Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Aylett, VA Posts: 1,066	WocusWoman, we have a clause on our registration forms regarding injuries - that the powwow is not responsible for any injuries that occur. __________________ Becky B.

07-08-2005, 11:19 PM	#12 (permalink)
SingingDeer ~~~ Jedi Color Guard ~~~ Join Date: May 2005 Location: Washington State Posts: 13,603	Proper protocol in any event should be to stop all activity until the person who has been injured or has fallen is assisted to a safe location where medical attention may be administered, including any immediate attention in the arena until the injured party can be transported safely. Then it is up to the MC to re-start the dance when the MC feels it is appropriate. This protocol should be done regardless of an injury disclaimer clause on the registration form, since the disclaimer is there to protect the pow wow committee from lawsuits pertaining to injury. __________________ "Liberty is the one thing you can't have unless you give it to others." ~ Wm A White "We could learn a lot from a box of crayons: some sharp, some pretty, some dull, some have weird names, & all different colors, but they have to learn to live in the same box." ~ Anon