Women Dancing Grass?????

Apache_Fancy_Shawl · 09-26-2005, 11:37 PM

I Know We have been thro this a million times.

What is your opinion, Should they allow female Grass Dancers?

And why or why not?

If hey allow Female Grass Dancers where at?

I know we have female hoop dancers, whats he differance?

Would someone jus le me know PLEASE

KP HOOD · 09-27-2005, 03:12 AM

If We Change Traditions Just To Meet Our Own Wants
And The Next Generation Follows And The Next And So On Then We Have Changed Who We Are. Why Twist The Ways That Have Kept Us Together Through Times That Would Have Ended Any Other Culture? We Should Be Proud Of Way We Were Created. And Should Honor The Ones Who Died To Keep Our Ways. Even If We Borrow Those Ways From Another Tribe, People Have Died For Those Ways And Who Are We To Change Them Just Because We Feel Like It.

But What Do I Know Im Just A Pitiful Human Being

MissFancyChick · 09-27-2005, 03:33 AM

i read about it in a book "The Grass Dancer" forgot the author, but i thought it was interesting...

i have switch danced a few times, but wouldnt grass for a whole powwow... not that i dont kick ***... hahaaha

Apache_Fancy_Shawl · 09-27-2005, 01:26 PM

After attending sevral Fl. Pow-Wows, I have noted, we have young men wanting to learn
how to Grass Dance, but do to Military service and getting injured and having to live the white man's
world part of the time, we have NO Grass Dancer's left. BUT we have sevral Fancy Shawl Dancer's
who know a lot about the Grass Dance, the history and moves. If we lose all of our Grass dancing men
to the Military, who will teach the young boys? or are the Grass Dancer's going to be gone for good?
if anyhing, Women should have at least the right to teach the younger boys, with premion from an Elder.
even if they are aloud that, it would be at least a way to keep the grass dance alive. I would not care if
a woman had the right given to her to dance in the circle, but at least give her he right to teach the younger
children.

MissFancyChick · 10-18-2005, 01:01 PM

The book is by Susan Power... its a great book !!

musicedu77 · 10-20-2005, 12:35 PM

naw its just not a thing to do....its like a woman wearing mens pants ...okay thats a poor anaology but ya get the drift...*lol* but im just saying its a mens dance and should stay that way...its like a man wearing a jingle dress...now that aint right

fancy_shawls_225 · 12-07-2005, 06:19 PM

I wanted to learn Grass, but was told I couldn't. But I heard of woman, a yoiung woman who is a drumkeeper on the west coast in Canada. Htere never has beena woman's drunkeepr there before i don't think, but it was the only way to keep tradition alive. i don't know. I wanted to dance grass ever since I was little. But I dance fancy shawl. I didn't say much, just what I heard, keep traditions alive. There are a lot of grass dancers here in Canada. well, form where I am from anyways.

fancy_shawls_225 · 12-07-2005, 06:21 PM

I wanted to learn Grass, but was told I couldn't. But I heard of woman, a young woman who is a drumkeeper on the west coast in Canada. There never has been a woman's drumkeeper there before i don't think, but it was the only way to keep tradition alive. i don't know. I wanted to dance grass ever since I was little. But I dance fancy shawl.

I didn't say much, just what I heard, keep traditions alive. There are a lot of grass dancers here in Canada. well, form where I am from anyways.

Peaceeagle · 01-08-2006, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apache_Fancy_Shawl

After attending sevral Fl. Pow-Wows, I have noted, we have young men wanting to learn
how to Grass Dance, but do to Military service and getting injured and having to live the white man's
world part of the time, we have NO Grass Dancer's left. BUT we have sevral Fancy Shawl Dancer's
who know a lot about the Grass Dance, the history and moves. If we lose all of our Grass dancing men
to the Military, who will teach the young boys? or are the Grass Dancer's going to be gone for good?
if anyhing, Women should have at least the right to teach the younger boys, with premion from an Elder.
even if they are aloud that, it would be at least a way to keep the grass dance alive. I would not care if
a woman had the right given to her to dance in the circle, but at least give her he right to teach the younger
children.

I would Like to say that I admire your Passion To keep the Grass dance alive in florida. But it Is a Mens/boys Dance. Ihave taught many Boys Up here In Missouri How to dance. and I would be More Than Happy To come down there to help out in anyway pssible with The younger generation. But The Only thing Keeping Me back Is The money To Travle the food and lodging. if someone can help me out with That i will Be More Than Happy To go and teach.I fou want you can Contact me at Peaceeagle@aol.com

nightwalker7 · 01-08-2006, 08:26 PM

i know of one female grass dancer shes pretty good and the only reason she dances it is this, it is where her heart is at. she got prem. from elders to do it and she kicks***
lil josh

kitkehahki_grass24 · 02-08-2006, 02:38 PM

Nawa! Che'sikik,
There is no tradition that says only men/boys are Grass Dancers. The origins of the Grass Dance are unknown but some think from traditional dances of the Omaha and others say it is a version of the Pawnee Hot Dance. There were woman in both traditional dances of the Omaha and Pawnee that have ties to the contemporary Grass Style. There are no set roles in pow-wow dancing it is diverse in each tribe.

Kit'Chiit'tawakki, Kitkehahki Band, Pawnee

Brackett481 · 02-08-2006, 05:03 PM

I am a grass dancer. it is the only style I have ever really danced. Here in Aabama, there is at least one lady grass dancer that I know personally. She was asked to dance by an elder, and she asked her elders for permission before she even began her regalia. I know that she only dances when there is a male dancer in the circle, and she askes permission from the dancers and AD before she enters. I do not have a problem with this because she is young, and being taught the propper way.

GROUND POUNDER · 03-13-2006, 04:39 PM

I too beleive women should be able to grass dance. No one says anything to a woman hoop dancer and it came from the grass dance. I beleive if she can pray on that circle and to grandfather why not give her the right to dance grass. My daughter was ask by her elder to dance grass because she feels that she gives her good medicine every time she is out there with me. And yes this is my daughter that dances grass in honor of me and her grandmother. I am a grass dancer also

tsuj510 · 03-13-2006, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MissFancyChick

The book is by Susan Power... its a great book !!

Ain't that the "STOP THE INSANITY!" woman from the early 90's?

tsuj510 · 03-13-2006, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apache_Fancy_Shawl

After attending sevral Fl. Pow-Wows, I have noted, we have young men wanting to learn
how to Grass Dance, but do to Military service and getting injured and having to live the white man's
world part of the time, we have NO Grass Dancer's left. BUT we have sevral Fancy Shawl Dancer's
who know a lot about the Grass Dance, the history and moves. If we lose all of our Grass dancing men
to the Military, who will teach the young boys? or are the Grass Dancer's going to be gone for good?
if anyhing, Women should have at least the right to teach the younger boys, with premion from an Elder.
even if they are aloud that, it would be at least a way to keep the grass dance alive. I would not care if
a woman had the right given to her to dance in the circle, but at least give her he right to teach the younger
children.

Another very rare reason I have heard it is allowed occasionally (empahsis on ocasionally) is when an individual happens to be what folks in my Nation used to called "complicated" i.e. either a homosexual or one of those folks who's gender (due to a chromosome defect, which is actually quite common and easy to diagnose) is a bit of a grey area. Which inandofitself is not homosexuality, but I digress. That is one of the only exceptions I have heard of and of course, the exception was granted with the proper approval (from an Elder or Medicine Person). I am saying this out of respect and not assuming that this does or does not apply to anyone on this thread, just saying..

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09-26-2005, 11:37 PM	#1 (permalink)
Apache_Fancy_Shawl She Who Plays with Wolves Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Floor-it-Duh Posts: 96	Women Dancing Grass????? *I Know We have been thro this a million times.* *What is your opinion, Should they allow female Grass Dancers?* *And why or why not?* *If hey allow Female Grass Dancers where at?* *I know we have female hoop dancers, whats he differance?* *Would someone jus le me know PLEASE* __________________ I’m here without you baby but your still on my lonely mind I think about you baby and I dream about you all the time I’m here without you baby but your still with me in my dreams And tonight it’s only you and me

09-27-2005, 03:33 AM	#3 (permalink)
MissFancyChick Fancy Schmancy Dancer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: formerly in Seattle, now i live in Eastern Washington on the Colville Rez Posts: 219	jus somethin to think about.... i read about it in a book "The Grass Dancer" forgot the author, but i thought it was interesting... i have switch danced a few times, but wouldnt grass for a whole powwow... not that i dont kick **... hahaaha __________________ Love the Dance... Feel the Drum Last edited by MissFancyChick; 09-27-2005 at 03:35 AM. Reason: Spelling*

09-27-2005, 01:26 PM	#4 (permalink)
Apache_Fancy_Shawl She Who Plays with Wolves Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Floor-it-Duh Posts: 96	think about this 4 a moment After attending sevral Fl. Pow-Wows, I have noted, we have young men wanting to learn how to Grass Dance, but do to Military service and getting injured and having to live the white man's world part of the time, we have NO Grass Dancer's left. BUT we have sevral Fancy Shawl Dancer's who know a lot about the Grass Dance, the history and moves. If we lose all of our Grass dancing men to the Military, who will teach the young boys? or are the Grass Dancer's going to be gone for good? if anyhing, Women should have at least the right to teach the younger boys, with premion from an Elder. even if they are aloud that, it would be at least a way to keep the grass dance alive. I would not care if a woman had the right given to her to dance in the circle, but at least give her he right to teach the younger children. __________________ I’m here without you baby but your still on my lonely mind I think about you baby and I dream about you all the time I’m here without you baby but your still with me in my dreams And tonight it’s only you and me

10-18-2005, 01:01 PM	#5 (permalink)
MissFancyChick Fancy Schmancy Dancer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: formerly in Seattle, now i live in Eastern Washington on the Colville Rez Posts: 219	The book is by Susan Power... its a great book !! __________________ Love the Dance... Feel the Drum

09-27-2005, 03:12 AM	#2 (permalink)
KP HOOD Pow Wow Visitor Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: White Oak, Ok. Posts: 5	If We Change Traditions Just To Meet Our Own Wants And The Next Generation Follows And The Next And So On Then We Have Changed Who We Are. Why Twist The Ways That Have Kept Us Together Through Times That Would Have Ended Any Other Culture? We Should Be Proud Of Way We Were Created. And Should Honor The Ones Who Died To Keep Our Ways. Even If We Borrow Those Ways From Another Tribe, People Have Died For Those Ways And Who Are We To Change Them Just Because We Feel Like It. But What Do I Know Im Just A Pitiful Human Being

10-20-2005, 12:35 PM	#6 (permalink)
musicedu77 Teen Dancer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: nwo Posts: 400	naw its just not a thing to do....its like a woman wearing mens pants ...okay thats a poor anaology but ya get the drift...lol but im just saying its a mens dance and should stay that way...its like a man wearing a jingle dress...now that aint right

12-07-2005, 06:19 PM	#7 (permalink)
fancy_shawls_225 Teen Dancer Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 341	I wanted to learn Grass, but was told I couldn't. But I heard of woman, a yoiung woman who is a drumkeeper on the west coast in Canada. Htere never has beena woman's drunkeepr there before i don't think, but it was the only way to keep tradition alive. i don't know. I wanted to dance grass ever since I was little. But I dance fancy shawl. I didn't say much, just what I heard, keep traditions alive. There are a lot of grass dancers here in Canada. well, form where I am from anyways.

12-07-2005, 06:21 PM	#8 (permalink)
fancy_shawls_225 Teen Dancer Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 341	Ingor my last posts typos... I wanted to learn Grass, but was told I couldn't. But I heard of woman, a young woman who is a drumkeeper on the west coast in Canada. There never has been a woman's drumkeeper there before i don't think, but it was the only way to keep tradition alive. i don't know. I wanted to dance grass ever since I was little. But I dance fancy shawl. I didn't say much, just what I heard, keep traditions alive. There are a lot of grass dancers here in Canada. well, form where I am from anyways.

01-08-2006, 08:26 PM	#10 (permalink)
nightwalker7 hey hey hey Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: alabama Posts: 3	yea i know of one female grass dancer shes pretty good and the only reason she dances it is this, it is where her heart is at. she got prem. from elders to do it and she kicks*** lil josh

02-08-2006, 02:38 PM	#11 (permalink)
kitkehahki_grass24 Pow Wow Visitor Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Nomad - Pawnee BadLands (South of the Dakotas and North of Mexico) Posts: 1	Traditions Nawa! Che'sikik, There is no tradition that says only men/boys are Grass Dancers. The origins of the Grass Dance are unknown but some think from traditional dances of the Omaha and others say it is a version of the Pawnee Hot Dance. There were woman in both traditional dances of the Omaha and Pawnee that have ties to the contemporary Grass Style. There are no set roles in pow-wow dancing it is diverse in each tribe. Kit'Chiit'tawakki, Kitkehahki Band, Pawnee

02-08-2006, 05:03 PM	#12 (permalink)
Brackett481 Drummer and Dancer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Out of Style Southern State Posts: 27	I am a grass dancer. it is the only style I have ever really danced. Here in Aabama, there is at least one lady grass dancer that I know personally. She was asked to dance by an elder, and she asked her elders for permission before she even began her regalia. I know that she only dances when there is a male dancer in the circle, and she askes permission from the dancers and AD before she enters. I do not have a problem with this because she is young, and being taught the propper way.

03-13-2006, 04:39 PM	#13 (permalink)
GROUND POUNDER Southern Echo Singers Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Crossville, Tn Posts: 7	I too beleive women should be able to grass dance. No one says anything to a woman hoop dancer and it came from the grass dance. I beleive if she can pray on that circle and to grandfather why not give her the right to dance grass. My daughter was ask by her elder to dance grass because she feels that she gives her good medicine every time she is out there with me. And yes this is my daughter that dances grass in honor of me and her grandmother. I am a grass dancer also