What is Gourd Dancing?

scottlollar · 09-17-2002, 11:43 PM

By the name of the thread, I don't mean I have no concept of what Gourd Dancing is. I'm a Traditional dancer and have been for a long time. My father is a Vietnam Vet and has watched me dance since I was a kid. The more powwows we visit, the more he is interested in Gourd Dancing. Someone once told me "it's a bunch of old guys standing in a circle shaking rattles." As inaccurate a description as that may be, I'm afraid my father believes it. but, I know there are specifics about it that I just don't have the knowledge of to give to him. Can anyone recommend a source of info to lead him to? Or a publication to learn from? Or, without risking 'secrets', can someone here explain it better so that I can take that info to him.
He knows the basic requirements of the outfit. We have a friend that is a vendor and has offered to help him make his regalia. But, without knowing why he's doing it, he doesn't want to do it.
Thank you,
Scott Lollar
A Traditional (once Old Style) dancer

Tsiniti · 09-17-2002, 11:53 PM

At a Gathering that I went to a couple years ago, it was the women who danced with gourds tied to their knees. I have a bad back, and hips, and it just looked soooo uncomfortable. I was under the impression it is a very old traditional Cherokee dance. But I could be wrong! I hope someone answers this, and we will both learn!

powwowbum49 · 09-18-2002, 04:00 AM

try these for starters

http://www.powwows.com/dance/gourd.shtml

Where did this come from?

http://www.gourddancing.homestead.com/

Why do you gourd dance?

park · 09-18-2002, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tsiniti
At a Gathering that I went to a couple years ago, it was the women who danced with gourds tied to their knees. I have a bad back, and hips, and it just looked soooo uncomfortable. I was under the impression it is a very old traditional Cherokee dance. But I could be wrong! I hope someone answers this, and we will both learn!

Different dance altogether.

:)

Beth · 09-18-2002, 03:12 PM

You could try going to Anadarko or some places near there. The Kiowa own it. (let's not start that can of worms again) Up in Kiowa land are the best places. I was taught by Billy Horse but I don't know if he is still chairman and has time but you might call the tribal offices.

Tsiniti · 09-18-2002, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by park

Different dance altogether.

:)

Ok no problem! Thanks

CHEROSAGE · 09-20-2002, 03:26 AM

Do you ever get to SanAntonio dances? You may ask some of the Veterans there. A friend of mine that would be able to point you in the right direction is Erwin De Luna(from San Antonio area). If you come to the Way South Powwow in McAllen TX I'm sure I can help you with some info. as can Gary Kodaseet, or others.

You may want to go to Carnegie OK or the area. Anyone there could give you the straight of the story.

scottlollar · 09-20-2002, 10:57 AM

Actually, I het the Four Winds powwow this past weekend in Killeen - that was fun! They had Scissortail and Thunder Horse drumming, but I missed the Gourd Dancing. This weekend, I'd love to hit the TIHA powwow in Llano, but it's a bit too far away. So, I heard about a powwow in Azle, TX (north of Ft. Worth) that I'm going to go to tonight. Alas, I won't be able to dance - I'll miss Grand Entry - but it'll be fun to visit and talk and see the sights tonight. Let me know when those San Antonio powwows are, and I'll definitely try to make it down for a couple. Any invite I get, I try to take seriously and try to attend. Family and life have a way of, well, being family and life. So, sometimes I can't get away to the more distant powwows. But, I certainly give it a try!
And thank you all for posting on this thread - there has been some great info. I printed a lot of it (from the web) and gave it to my father. I hope to be able to talk about it with him this weekend. I want to make him a gourd rattle and I have a friend that was given a coffee can full of mescal beans that I want to make into a bandolier for him(they aren't pre-drilled - Ouch!!). So, I can get him started on the path, hopefully, in the next couple of months.
Thanks again,
Scott Lollar

RainyDaze49 · 09-23-2002, 06:50 PM

Its the dance before the grand entry that gives me just a few more minutes to hustle and get ready cuz im always on NDN time!!!
LOL!!!:p

Jus kiddin! the websites were actually quiet helpful in my research to find out what gourd dancing is cuz i've always been curious and in the dark about it.

travelingmocs · 09-24-2002, 09:21 PM

Gourd dancing is a great thing to do, but like many other types of special dances it is something that was part of different warrior societys. The Kiowas claim the songs and dance, and so do the Commaches. We can go on and on about where it comes from. Its sort of like the Sun dance or the brush dance. There are many storys about its origins.

But to the Kiowas, the songs came from the Red Wolf, and he taught a young man about the songs and the dance. The Kiowas had a society called the Tom-Pa-ga(spelling, not sure). Like many other dances it died out due to the goverment control, and or not enough funding. But in the 60's or seventy's it was restarted and it spread like wild fire across Oklahoma. Now you will only have dances with Gourd dancing only. Theres alittle, there is much more out there. I hope I do not offend. If any one has any complaints pm me and I will respond.........TMS

Beth · 09-26-2002, 05:19 PM

You are in the wrong area. try chit chat.

tcumonster · 10-10-2002, 07:00 PM

Scott...

You might want to check out the Austin ISD powwow that is coming up the first weekend of November. I believe the website is www.austinpowwow.org. (My apologies if it is incorrect). Not sure if there will be any gourd dancing there, but I hear it is a good powwow.

tcumonster

pupdog · 10-12-2002, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by scottlollar
Let me know when those San Antonio powwows are, and I'll definitely try to make it down for a couple. Any invite I get, I try to take seriously and try to attend.

Take a look at this website.....

United San Antonio

This will give you and idea of the powwows that are happening in the area and the next one for SA.....

pupdog · 10-12-2002, 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by CHEROSAGE
If you come to the Way South Powwow in McAllen TX I'm sure I can help you with some info.

Hope to see you there, I plan on going.... are you going to the Viet Nam Veterans Memorial Gourd Dance in Natalia?? on Sunday?? Many from SA that are attending the way south are going. I know Mr De Luna, Mike Gonzales and more are planning to attend... if you need more info....check this out

Viet Nam Memorial Info

:p have to put a plug where I can ( I am the webmaster)

09-17-2002, 11:43 PM	#1 (permalink)
scottlollar Father of Tiny Tot Dancer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 94	What is Gourd Dancing? By the name of the thread, I don't mean I have no concept of what Gourd Dancing is. I'm a Traditional dancer and have been for a long time. My father is a Vietnam Vet and has watched me dance since I was a kid. The more powwows we visit, the more he is interested in Gourd Dancing. Someone once told me "it's a bunch of old guys standing in a circle shaking rattles." As inaccurate a description as that may be, I'm afraid my father believes it. but, I know there are specifics about it that I just don't have the knowledge of to give to him. Can anyone recommend a source of info to lead him to? Or a publication to learn from? Or, without risking 'secrets', can someone here explain it better so that I can take that info to him. He knows the basic requirements of the outfit. We have a friend that is a vendor and has offered to help him make his regalia. But, without knowing why he's doing it, he doesn't want to do it. Thank you, Scott Lollar A Traditional (once Old Style) dancer

09-17-2002, 11:53 PM	#2 (permalink)
Tsiniti Dancin n Vendin Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: TN Posts: 295	At a Gathering that I went to a couple years ago, it was the women who danced with gourds tied to their knees. I have a bad back, and hips, and it just looked soooo uncomfortable. I was under the impression it is a very old traditional Cherokee dance. But I could be wrong! I hope someone answers this, and we will both learn! __________________ Your Heart Shows by how Your Words and Actions Affect Others. Nah I ain't NO WANNABE! I don't gotta wannabe when people wannabe like me!

09-18-2002, 04:00 AM	#3 (permalink)
powwowbum49 Arena Director Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: midwest, USA Posts: 792	try these for starters http://www.powwows.com/dance/gourd.shtml Where did this come from? http://www.gourddancing.homestead.com/ Why do you gourd dance? __________________ PB49 "Every child is an artist. The problem is how to remain an artist once we grow up." Pablo Picasso My comments are based on what I have been taught and my experiences over the years I have been around the circle. They should in no way be taken as gospel truths and are merely my opinions or attempts at passing on what I have learned while still learning more.

09-18-2002, 03:12 PM	#5 (permalink)
Beth Beth Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: over the rainbow Posts: 199	gourd dance You could try going to Anadarko or some places near there. The Kiowa own it. (let's not start that can of worms again) Up in Kiowa land are the best places. I was taught by Billy Horse but I don't know if he is still chairman and has time but you might call the tribal offices.

09-20-2002, 03:26 AM	#7 (permalink)
CHEROSAGE Pow Wow Committee Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: , mo Posts: 1,316	Do you ever get to SanAntonio dances? You may ask some of the Veterans there. A friend of mine that would be able to point you in the right direction is Erwin De Luna(from San Antonio area). If you come to the Way South Powwow in McAllen TX I'm sure I can help you with some info. as can Gary Kodaseet, or others. You may want to go to Carnegie OK or the area. Anyone there could give you the straight of the story. __________________ BOB

09-20-2002, 10:57 AM	#8 (permalink)
scottlollar Father of Tiny Tot Dancer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 94	Actually, I het the Four Winds powwow this past weekend in Killeen - that was fun! They had Scissortail and Thunder Horse drumming, but I missed the Gourd Dancing. This weekend, I'd love to hit the TIHA powwow in Llano, but it's a bit too far away. So, I heard about a powwow in Azle, TX (north of Ft. Worth) that I'm going to go to tonight. Alas, I won't be able to dance - I'll miss Grand Entry - but it'll be fun to visit and talk and see the sights tonight. Let me know when those San Antonio powwows are, and I'll definitely try to make it down for a couple. Any invite I get, I try to take seriously and try to attend. Family and life have a way of, well, being family and life. So, sometimes I can't get away to the more distant powwows. But, I certainly give it a try! And thank you all for posting on this thread - there has been some great info. I printed a lot of it (from the web) and gave it to my father. I hope to be able to talk about it with him this weekend. I want to make him a gourd rattle and I have a friend that was given a coffee can full of mescal beans that I want to make into a bandolier for him(they aren't pre-drilled - Ouch!!). So, I can get him started on the path, hopefully, in the next couple of months. Thanks again, Scott Lollar

09-23-2002, 06:50 PM	#9 (permalink)
RainyDaze49 ~Smile 4 me~ Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The Great Turtle Island Yo! Posts: 997	Welp Its the dance before the grand entry that gives me just a few more minutes to hustle and get ready cuz im always on NDN time!!! LOL!!!:p Jus kiddin! the websites were actually quiet helpful in my research to find out what gourd dancing is cuz i've always been curious and in the dark about it. __________________ ..::First ever 2002-2003 Powwows.com Princess::.. ~~~* The original POWWOWCHIC49 ~~~ ~JINGLE IT~*

09-24-2002, 09:21 PM	#10 (permalink)
travelingmocs Teen Dancer Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: HogPit, U.S.A. and raised in hell Posts: 286	Gourd dancing is a great thing to do, but like many other types of special dances it is something that was part of different warrior societys. The Kiowas claim the songs and dance, and so do the Commaches. We can go on and on about where it comes from. Its sort of like the Sun dance or the brush dance. There are many storys about its origins. But to the Kiowas, the songs came from the Red Wolf, and he taught a young man about the songs and the dance. The Kiowas had a society called the Tom-Pa-ga(spelling, not sure). Like many other dances it died out due to the goverment control, and or not enough funding. But in the 60's or seventy's it was restarted and it spread like wild fire across Oklahoma. Now you will only have dances with Gourd dancing only. Theres alittle, there is much more out there. I hope I do not offend. If any one has any complaints pm me and I will respond.........TMS __________________ If I do not know the answer someone else will!!!! Also forgive me, this system does not have a spell check so forgive the bad spelling

09-26-2002, 05:19 PM	#11 (permalink)
Beth Beth Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: over the rainbow Posts: 199	elouise You are in the wrong area. try chit chat.

10-10-2002, 07:00 PM	#12 (permalink)
tcumonster Tiny Tot Dancer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 84	Scott... You might want to check out the Austin ISD powwow that is coming up the first weekend of November. I believe the website is www.austinpowwow.org. (My apologies if it is incorrect). Not sure if there will be any gourd dancing there, but I hear it is a good powwow. tcumonster