Suzizila

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Hi everybody! I volunteered to help a friend out with his sash (the beaded part) and have something to ask you all. On the way back from drum practice one evening, he informed me that he should have three of those beaded parts (the hair curlers :) ). That's what someone in the WhiteStar Gourd Society told him. I was always under the impression that only two were necessary.

How many of you tie your sash & how many use a third beaded curler to secure your sash? Gees, this project has turned out to be quite a learning experience.

Thanks for your help. :24:

Beth

It is up to the individual or society if there is a third. Have seen both at the same dance.

Suzizila

This is directed to any White Star Society people hanging around.
(I know there have to be plenty of you guys hanging out here.)

What is called for in regards to the beaded parts of the society gourd sash? two or three beaded pieces?

Thanks for bearing with me and for being such a great help. :)

Beth

Some people from White Star conducted the class on gourd dance at the seminar in January. They had both styles with them.
There are some pictures of a White star dance in the gallery. I never went throught and checked for 2 or 3 pieces.

Beth

Checked pictures. Enlarged them and used a magnifying glass.
Still can't tell what they have on. Sorry. Maybe Travelmocs will come on tonight.

park

Unless White Star has a rule (which I don't know, but doubt that they do, and if they do, I would worry), two is fine. The third acts as a slide instead of a knot at the waist. Two is definitely the predominant style. Don't sweat the small stuff. Sounds like your friend just wants more beadwork. :7:

Mato Winyan

My hubby is in White Star, and what park says is true. There is no "rule". It is preference. Two is fine. I'm doing that for my hubby's shash and a small third one will be used for a bolo slide for a tie out of trade cloth. My idea no rule. Hope this helps. Any other questions, let me know.:)

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echohawk neconie

A sash has only two drops on the side no more no less.

Suzizila

Thanks to everybody who has contributed a reply to this thread. It has been a really big help, but I am still open to more replies. Maybe this thread will help someone else as well.


Beth, you're right. Those pictures are really too tiny to see much, even when they are enlarged. I also noticed that the sashes tended to be covered up as well.

Mato, I know of the bolo type you have mentioned. Bill Story has one like the type of bolo you have described.

While I'm thinking about it, the curlers that I have are about 3 inches in length. Does that sound like a good length?

Thanks again for everybody's opinions and help. :)

swink49

Hi Susie- I think Mato was on the right track using that 3rd piece as a Bolo slide. I have a sash with the three beaded pieces, two tassels and a slide on the belt as opposed to tying the sash. On the one hand, it looks very nice and the tassels hang evenly when you use the slide. On the other, if your friend moves at all when he dances (White Star Dancers have been ripped here for not moving much), it tends to slide down the sash and the sash falls off, so you end up tying it anyway. Go with the two, then follow up with the third for Christmas, after you finish your new set.

On a similar subject- What do y'all think of having matching beadwork? I mean fan matches gourd, matches sash, matches mocs... Is it cool to be so color co-ordinated, or will it look too, uh, "lovely"

WaxeNuZhinga

I seriously doubt that there is any basis for having three tassels as opposed to two. I borrowed a sash once that had that third slide on there and you had to step into it like you were putting on a skirt or something. Plus, if you don't get it to fit tight, the thing keeps sliding off. With two tassels on the sash, it's much easy to secure with a nice neat knot provided that the sash is made long enough to tie. Do your friend a favor, stick with two.

WNZ

X49ER

unless you have an aunt who does great bead work stick with the tie up method
or if you want to look real oid school DUCK tape that third piece they want now thats keen :D

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CHEROSAGE

I was surfing through this and thought I would put in my 2 cents worth.

I too have seen only a hand full of men use the slide to keep up their sashes. Most of the dancers I'm around will tie their sashes on. When he dances enough he will know how to get the ends even or at least close when he ties it. I have 2 one is long enough to rap around me twice(a lot of sash, huh) and the other I can only rap once and tie both.

Now as for the matching bead work, that would be extremely great.

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Zotigh

The beaded 'curlers', as you put it, are just adornment to the end of the sash (belt).

The 'curlers' (plastic cylinders) actually serve more than just a decorative purpose in that they protect the ends of the sash from freying.

Never heard of a requirement for a specific number of them, let alone three or four, or any number of beaded adornments until now.

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WhoMe

Suzizila,

I have one of both. Don't know why I have two. I just do? I don't gourd dance that much.

When I do gourd dance, I wear a white fitted sheet as well. Not really sure why I do it either. I guess 'cause my great grandpa did it?

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