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A history of the Gourd Dance.
My cousin Dennis wrote a very good article on the Kiowa Gourd Dance that I'd like to share here. It was printed as an article in the Indian Country Today publication.
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(My grandmother, were she alive today, would point out that the Red Wolf was not wearing a ball cap. hehe) P.S. Quote:
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In the 1850's the Kiowa captured a Mexican convoy of mules carrying a large supply of silver coins. Not knowing the value of the coinage, the Kiowas fashioned the malleable metal into cones, beads and other articles of jewelry. Thus, the silver strand of the gourd dance bandolier represents that war trophy.
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Zotigh,
I agree with you on wearing ball caps while Gourd Dancing. I was taught to dress my best, and to look my best. To show respect for tradition, for my family, and for my tribe. And for me, I show respect for my Creator. I realize we are all taught differently, but I find it refreshing and pleasant, to hear someone speak up about this issue. Thank you very much.
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I agree with you on the ball caps,but should include cowboy hats as well.It is my understanding that the otter turbin is the only permissable headwear,although I have seen many old photos of dancers wearing roaches.I see this alot in the south as well
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Since we are on this subject, (ok, after this, i'll quit beotchin) I saw some guy wearing a Ping golfing hat, you know those ones made out of straw. Shoot, I thought it was Lee Trevino dancing out there!....LOL... But then....this is just my opinions.
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Despite having moved south, the Kiowa still hold strong ties to our old allies, the Crow. To the modern day, both tribes still travel in early winter to eachother to play hand game and perpetuate our ancient alliance.
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history -fyi
Some good info and some i read before in articles. Thanks, Dennis.
I also know that those few Kiowa men who knew the gourd dance songs were the old men from the Tanedooah family. The family I belong to - and even though some people looked down on them, they were very traditional people. They had family reunions every year and still do to this day where we take our offerings. Those old men from the Tanedooah family also knew the Kiowa Black Leggings songs. You can ask Mr. Gus Palmer and he will tell you the same. So when you read or hear that the Kiowa Gourd dance, Tiahpahgah, derived from other tribes just remember it was our Kiowa Tanedooah elders who retained those songs. I don't know what them elders would say if they knew our dance was practiced throughout the u.s. They might find some practices humorous. You know those old men didn't wear ball caps or have "silver" salt shakers for gourds. They had the real thing and some even used parts of an animal for gourds. btw: that red wolf may have appeared to be almost half human. Last edited by redberi; 08-03-2004 at 09:51 PM. |
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[ok! I'm new to this and hope I do it right....so please be patient with me. I'm here in N. California and Gourd is held at every Pow Wow. I have learned a great deal fro reading these threads and reach but have alot of questions. My biggest is: If the kiowa have only given this dance to a select few, how is it all these "new" societies keep appearing? I love to gourd and have beenh "open" gourd dancing for 3 years. I dress my best and am very respectful and serious about what I do. I intend to honor the Kiowa and follow thw style I've read about here. I talked to Principle Cheig "Chad" Smith of the Oklahoma Cherokee and was told that balthough Gourd isn't a Cherokee "thing" that he saw no problem with my dancing as long as it was done in a good way and with honor. So....any information as to whether this is exceptible or anything I need/can to to get accepted or given approval would be much appreciated. Thanks.........
QUOTE=Zotigh]My cousin Dennis wrote a very good article on the Kiowa Gourd Dance that I'd like to share here. It was printed as an article in the Indian Country Today publication. (My grandmother, were she alive today, would point out that the Red Wolf was not wearing a ball cap. hehe) P.S. To this day...when I dance for the daytime I drape the red part of my trade blanket, in the evening session I switch to the blue.[/quote] Last edited by GrayDog; 09-14-2004 at 05:40 PM. |
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[quote=GrayDog][ok! If the kiowa have only given this dance to a select few, how is it all these "new" societies keep appearing? I intend to honor the Kiowa and follow thw style I've read about here. . . .So....any information as to whether this is exceptible or anything I need/can to to get accepted or given approval would be much appreciated. Thanks.........
___ GrayDog, Yes, the Kiowa do claim the Gourd Dance as part of their traditional clan structure and history. But other tribes also have ties to the Gourd Dance. This may offer some latitude as to why and how "all these 'new' societies keep appearing." The Cherokee Nation (Western Cherokees) received their powwow and gourd dance information from a Kiowa named Kenneth Anquoe. Kenneth was a member of the Kiowa Gourd Clan and started the Tulsa Indian Powwow Club. However, the Kiowa Gourd Clan did not specifically give Cherokees or the Cherokee Gourd Clan the "right" to dance the gourd dance. So, yes the Cherokee were taught the gourd dance by a Kiowa and no, the Cherokee Gourd Clan was not officially given the rights to this dance by the Kiowa Gourd Clan. ---- redberi: I agree, the Tanedooah Family have a rich tradition in keeping the Gourd Dance alive today. The current Kiowa Tribal Chairman (Billy Evan Horse) as you know, comes from this proud family. Billy has travelled and made many family relationships with non-Indians in Florida. Again, as a recognized Kiowa leader and elder, he has this right. He is directly responsible for the gourd dance traditions that have spread to that state.
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Wado...Thank you for replying. I do love to Gourd Dance but would not wish to dishonor anyone by doing so. Is there anyone I can speak to/with to ask permission or at least a token "ok" to dance. Please keep sending me this wonderful info...it is appreciated and valued.....wado.
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